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    Took a gamble on xpev

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    Not a chartist, but have a gut feeling we are headed lower into EOY. Put pretty tight stops on my holdings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison View Post
    FWIW, I believe DKNG is a good investment longer term. I believe they report before the open tomorrow.
    Agreed...assuming that sports are being played
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAKEPEAVY21 View Post
    Agreed...assuming that sports are being played
    Well, thus my "longer term" caveat. I'm pecking away at dips and building a long term position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAKEPEAVY21 View Post
    Agreed...assuming that sports are being played
    Take a look at BLNK and let me know what you think. Moved back up a bit lately but think again may be a nice longer term play??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison View Post
    Not a chartist, but have a gut feeling we are headed lower into EOY. Put pretty tight stops on my holdings.
    Depends what you are in. I used to be in oil and n.g. But changed couple years ago was in hip sock. Ok profits and Roy kept talking tsla. Talked to cousin who took job in fla to work for tsla. He convinced me e.v was the play.Ides up 62 % on the year because of redistribution of stocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison View Post
    Take a look at BLNK and let me know what you think. Moved back up a bit lately but think again may be a nice longer term play??
    Looks like it has a lot of hype behind it right now? I didn't research much just googled it and read some headlines. Not sure what to think, I'll keep an eye on it and see what happens going forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chico2663 View Post
    Depends what you are in. I used to be in oil and n.g. But changed couple years ago was in hip sock. Ok profits and Roy kept talking tsla. Talked to cousin who took job in fla to work for tsla. He convinced me e.v was the play.Ides up 62 % on the year because of redistribution of stocks.
    I have a very diverse portfolio as I'm mostly preservation of capital. But yes many of my holdings are EV and 5G related. The one I'm a little confused about is the EV Lithium play which I'm in a little more than my comfort. I have done great with ALB and actually sold a bit as I was overweight. GL

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAKEPEAVY21 View Post
    Looks like it has a lot of hype behind it right now? I didn't research much just googled it and read some headlines. Not sure what to think, I'll keep an eye on it and see what happens going forward.
    Yeah, my DCA is in the 7's so I've got quite a bit of room. Trying to figure out who is going to provide charging stations for EV seems destined to succeed. Let us know if you come up with any other ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison View Post
    Take a look at BLNK and let me know what you think. Moved back up a bit lately but think again may be a nice longer term play??
    I'd be super careful BLNK. Its market cap is $300 million and they did less than $4 million in sales in 9 months. There are subway's that do more sales than this guy.

    Total revenue for the first nine months of 2020 grew 84% to $3.8 million, during Covid-19 economy; exceeds full year 2019 total revenue of $2.8 million

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBacon View Post
    I'd be super careful BLNK. Its market cap is $300 million and they did less than $4 million in sales in 9 months. There are subway's that do more sales than this guy.

    Total revenue for the first nine months of 2020 grew 84% to $3.8 million, during Covid-19 economy; exceeds full year 2019 total revenue of $2.8 million
    Thanks for your input. Since I opened my mouth down 10% since earlier today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison View Post
    Thanks for your input. Since I opened my mouth down 10% since earlier today.
    Well, all the great companies go into the billions of market cap on just a song. So no one knows.

    If their widget(whatever their product is) is to die for why is it only selling $6 million a year a couple of years into it? Maybe they are about to get a contract from tsla or nasa? Or maybe they are just a story that fades away? Don't know.

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    Seems like BLNK has pretty strong support low 9's??

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBacon View Post
    Well, all the great companies go into the billions of market cap on just a song. So no one knows.

    If their widget(whatever their product is) is to die for why is it only selling $6 million a year a couple of years into it? Maybe they are about to get a contract from tsla or nasa? Or maybe they are just a story that fades away? Don't know.

    Roy, admittedly not sure either. Just looking for EV charging buildout and they were the best I could find at the time. Other ideas??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison View Post
    Roy, admittedly not sure either. Just looking for EV charging buildout and they were the best I could find at the time. Other ideas??
    I hear ya, I'm always looking too. Going to be some winners in that area. One has a pretty good chart; TSLA LOL

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    Charge point just bought switch back energy sbe to take control of this. They were supposed to ipo. I don’t know how it will play out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBacon View Post
    Well, all the great companies go into the billions of market cap on just a song. So no one knows.

    If their widget(whatever their product is) is to die for why is it only selling $6 million a year a couple of years into it? Maybe they are about to get a contract from tsla or nasa? Or maybe they are just a story that fades away? Don't know.
    Didn’t amazon,nio and couple of other companies have bad numbers starting out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chico2663 View Post
    Didn’t amazon,nio and couple of other companies have bad numbers starting out?
    That's what I said "all the great companies go into the billions of market cap on just a song."

    Of course for every TSLA there are a 100++ failures.

    I would not expose more than 1% of my portfolio to small caps. That's more gambling than investing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBacon View Post
    That's what I said "all the great companies go into the billions of market cap on just a song."

    Of course for every TSLA there are a 100++ failures.

    I would not expose more than 1% of my portfolio to small caps. That's more gambling than investing.
    Bet you wished you had nio,li or xpev

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    Quote Originally Posted by chico2663 View Post
    Bet you wished you had nio,li or xpev
    I had nio. Sold it for a loss. I try not to look at it. LOL

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    NIO reports earnings on Tues, November 17. 5 A.M. ET

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBacon View Post
    I had nio. Sold it for a loss. I try not to look at it. LOL
    Bought 200 units at 2 bucks sold hundy at 21. Still watching it fly.

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    Have 2 more seps I am thinking of rolling but afraid luck would run out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chico2663 View Post
    Bought 200 units at 2 bucks sold hundy at 21. Still watching it fly.
    Good for you. I've made a small fortune on TSLA but I totally fugged up NIO. I need to stay away from those. I need singles and not boom or busts stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chico2663 View Post
    Didn’t amazon,nio and couple of other companies have bad numbers starting out?
    Not that I'm much smarter now but I judged Amazon by their earnings and didn't realize capital buildout. Passed on it at $3 circa 1994?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBacon View Post
    I hear ya, I'm always looking too. Going to be some winners in that area. One has a pretty good chart; TSLA LOL
    I have a few Lithium speculative plays thinking TSLA will eventually step in and possibly buy out. I believe LTHM just extended their agreements with TSLA out another year. I've done awesome with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBacon View Post
    I had nio. Sold it for a loss. I try not to look at it. LOL
    LOL, you have to be like a relief picture etc and not look back but forward. I'm net gain but could bore you all to death with my miscues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shafted69 View Post
    NIO reports earnings on Tues, November 17. 5 A.M. ET
    Well, there won't be any earnings (right?), just expected future forecast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison View Post
    I have a few Lithium speculative plays thinking TSLA will eventually step in and possibly buy out. I believe LTHM just extended their agreements with TSLA out another year. I've done awesome with them.
    A $2 billion company that breaks even. It's book value is $4 and it trades at $14.

    Having a really great day today!

    Their margins are dangerously thin. Whatever their widget is there are not economies of scale. The more they sell the more they lose. $14 looks like a good price to sell.


    Valuation

    Industry Average & Percentile Methodology

    LTHM Chemicals Average Industry Percentile
    Market Cap $1.93B $12.31B 61st
    P/E (Trailing Twelve Months) -- 213.80 --
    P/E (5-Year Average) -- 41.05 --
    PEG Ratio (5-Year Projected) -- 1.15 --
    Enterprise Value $2.15B $62.33B 59th
    Price/Cash Flow (Most Recent Quarter) -84.57 20.59 4th
    Price/Cash Flow (TTM) 214.08 25.93 100th
    Price/Sales (Most Recent Quarter) 6.64 4.23 97th
    Price/Sales (TTM) 6.77 4.87 96th
    Price/Book 3.47
    11/12/2020
    4.65 74th
    Book Value 3.87
    09/30/2020
    36.36 34th

    Growth


    LTHM Chemicals Average Industry Percentile
    EPS Growth (Last Qrtr vs. Same Qrtr Prior Year) -- -5.78% --
    EPS Growth (TTM vs. Prior TTM) -- -86.27% --
    EPS Growth (Last 5 Years) +0.60% +1.26% 50th
    Projected EPS Growth (Next Year vs. This Year) -- +31.38% --
    Forward EPS Long Term Growth (3-5 Yrs) +6.41% +7.65% 45th
    Revenue % Change (Last Qrtr vs. Same Qrtr Prior Year) -25.69% -3.64% 18th
    Revenue % Change (TTM) -33.83% -4.34% 5th
    Revenue Growth (Last 5 Years) +8.02% +2.97% 77th
    Book Value per Share Growth (Last 5 Years) -- +16.13% --
    Free Cash Flow (TTM) $-179.10M $1.99B 3rd
    Cash Flow Growth Rate (Last 5 Years) +2.48% +2.30% 51st

    Profit Margins


    LTHM Chemicals Average Industry Percentile
    Gross Margin (Most Recent Quarter, Annualized)
    16.67% 35.25% 15th
    Gross Margin (TTM)
    27.99% 34.67% 42nd
    EBITD Margin (TTM) 11.81% 17.96% 39th
    Profit Margin (Most Recent Quarter) -16.25% 1.24% 22nd
    Operating Margin (Most Recent Quarter, Annualized) -6.89% 9.72% 25th
    Operating Margin (TTM) 3.69% 8.72% 38th
    Pretax Margin (Most Recent Quarter, Annualized) -21.07% 3.92% 21st
    Pretax Margin (TTM) -5.20% 3.11% 32nd

    Returns


    LTHM Chemicals Average Industry Percentile
    Return on Equity (Most Recent Quarter, Annualized) -8.33% 9.47% 29th
    Return on Equity (TTM) -2.54% 2.96% 38th
    Return on Assets (Most Recent Quarter, Annualized) -5.23% 3.59% 31st
    Return on Assets (TTM) -1.60% 2.93% 43rd
    Return on Investment (Most Recent Quarter, Annualized) -5.84% 4.81% 28th
    Return on Investment (TTM) -1.82% 3.94% 40th

    Debts


    LTHM Chemicals Average Industry Percentile
    Long Term Debt/Equity (Most Recent Quarter, Annualized) 42.08% 80.39% 35th
    Long Term Debt/Equity (TTM) 38.54% 86.63% 37th
    Total Debt/Assets (Most Recent Quarter, Annualized) 26.62% 33.28% 41st
    Total Debt/Assets (TTM) 24.58% 32.10% 33rd
    Total Debt/Capital (Most Recent Quarter) 29.73% -- 37th
    Total Debt/Capital (TTM) 29.73% 44.35% 37th
    Total Debt/Equity (Most Recent Quarter, Annualized) 42.43% 104.74% 39th
    Total Debt/Equity (TTM) 38.90% 98.94% 35th
    Current Ratio (TTM) 2.89 1.63 71st
    Payout Ratio (TTM) -- 96.96% --

    Operating Metrics


    LTHM Chemicals Average Industry Percentile
    Income/Employee (TTM) $-17,625.00 $12,798.86 --
    Revenue/Employee (TTM) $355,500.00 $535,560.00 30th
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBacon View Post
    A $2 billion company that breaks even. It's book value is $4 and it trades at $14.

    Having a really great day today!

    Their margins are dangerously thin. Whatever their widget is there are not economies of scale. The more they sell the more they lose. $14 looks like a good price to sell.


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    LTHM Chemicals Average Industry Percentile
    Market Cap $1.93B $12.31B 61st
    P/E (Trailing Twelve Months) -- 213.80 --
    P/E (5-Year Average) -- 41.05 --
    PEG Ratio (5-Year Projected) -- 1.15 --
    Enterprise Value $2.15B $62.33B 59th
    Price/Cash Flow (Most Recent Quarter) -84.57 20.59 4th
    Price/Cash Flow (TTM) 214.08 25.93 100th
    Price/Sales (Most Recent Quarter) 6.64 4.23 97th
    Price/Sales (TTM) 6.77 4.87 96th
    Price/Book 3.47
    11/12/2020
    4.65 74th
    Book Value 3.87
    09/30/2020
    36.36 34th

    Growth


    LTHM Chemicals Average Industry Percentile
    EPS Growth (Last Qrtr vs. Same Qrtr Prior Year) -- -5.78% --
    EPS Growth (TTM vs. Prior TTM) -- -86.27% --
    EPS Growth (Last 5 Years) +0.60% +1.26% 50th
    Projected EPS Growth (Next Year vs. This Year) -- +31.38% --
    Forward EPS Long Term Growth (3-5 Yrs) +6.41% +7.65% 45th
    Revenue % Change (Last Qrtr vs. Same Qrtr Prior Year) -25.69% -3.64% 18th
    Revenue % Change (TTM) -33.83% -4.34% 5th
    Revenue Growth (Last 5 Years) +8.02% +2.97% 77th
    Book Value per Share Growth (Last 5 Years) -- +16.13% --
    Free Cash Flow (TTM) $-179.10M $1.99B 3rd
    Cash Flow Growth Rate (Last 5 Years) +2.48% +2.30% 51st

    Profit Margins


    LTHM Chemicals Average Industry Percentile
    Gross Margin (Most Recent Quarter, Annualized)
    16.67% 35.25% 15th
    Gross Margin (TTM)
    27.99% 34.67% 42nd
    EBITD Margin (TTM) 11.81% 17.96% 39th
    Profit Margin (Most Recent Quarter) -16.25% 1.24% 22nd
    Operating Margin (Most Recent Quarter, Annualized) -6.89% 9.72% 25th
    Operating Margin (TTM) 3.69% 8.72% 38th
    Pretax Margin (Most Recent Quarter, Annualized) -21.07% 3.92% 21st
    Pretax Margin (TTM) -5.20% 3.11% 32nd

    Returns


    LTHM Chemicals Average Industry Percentile
    Return on Equity (Most Recent Quarter, Annualized) -8.33% 9.47% 29th
    Return on Equity (TTM) -2.54% 2.96% 38th
    Return on Assets (Most Recent Quarter, Annualized) -5.23% 3.59% 31st
    Return on Assets (TTM) -1.60% 2.93% 43rd
    Return on Investment (Most Recent Quarter, Annualized) -5.84% 4.81% 28th
    Return on Investment (TTM) -1.82% 3.94% 40th

    Debts


    LTHM Chemicals Average Industry Percentile
    Long Term Debt/Equity (Most Recent Quarter, Annualized) 42.08% 80.39% 35th
    Long Term Debt/Equity (TTM) 38.54% 86.63% 37th
    Total Debt/Assets (Most Recent Quarter, Annualized) 26.62% 33.28% 41st
    Total Debt/Assets (TTM) 24.58% 32.10% 33rd
    Total Debt/Capital (Most Recent Quarter) 29.73% -- 37th
    Total Debt/Capital (TTM) 29.73% 44.35% 37th
    Total Debt/Equity (Most Recent Quarter, Annualized) 42.43% 104.74% 39th
    Total Debt/Equity (TTM) 38.90% 98.94% 35th
    Current Ratio (TTM) 2.89 1.63 71st
    Payout Ratio (TTM) -- 96.96% --

    Operating Metrics


    LTHM Chemicals Average Industry Percentile
    Income/Employee (TTM) $-17,625.00 $12,798.86 --
    Revenue/Employee (TTM) $355,500.00 $535,560.00 30th

    Roy, I have zero technical skills so I do appreciate your input very much. What are you using to get these metrics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison View Post
    Roy, I have zero technical skills so I do appreciate your input very much. What are you using to get these metrics?
    Compustat

    From running businesses forever I think the hardest thing to overcome is a thin profit margin.

    It doesn't mean the stock won't go to $60. But it does tell you there is a problem with the secret sauce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slurry Pumper View Post
    At some point fundamentals matter.
    That will be next fall when stimulus is really out of the question and reality hits.

    Congress might hit too by then, but they could be gridlocked which is probably a positive next fall.

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