[LFC1892]

I don't know whether I need to argue this...this is not barcas best ever team, the MVP attack could of would of scored more goals than the current Barca attack, its only been 1 season judge after a few if you have watched guardiolas attack you will know which is better

Well I would like to hear your arguments because you have 0 arguments so far. What Pep did with Barca was revolutionary at that time. But now when the competition is harder Messi,Suarez and Neymar are breaking record after record. This Barcelona have more faces than Pep's Barcelona. I'm not saying they will destroy Juventus but Messi Neymar and Suarez are better than Pedro Villa and Messi not only like individuals but like a trio as well and everybody that have played this game understand this.

[cogiditopapa]

Rudy is right villa, messi and Pedro were the best at front under Guardiola's strategies.
LFC is right Messi, Neymar, Suarez are the very best now.

Which trio is more than dangerous....well both I will say, both trios work as a well oiled machine in their respective strategy and tactics at their giving time.

Rudy like I said you are counting on Juve to execute a perfect plan, If Juve concedes 1st, their plan goes down the drain you know that (please tell me you do, you are a smart guy), Juve will have slim odds to draw and then win.
In contrast if Juve scores 1st (which is what they have to do, I have to assume this is in their game plan), You know Barca does have the capability to find the equalizer and then win the game (I hope for this scenerio happens, would be great for live betting, when do we see Barca at +odds...very very seldom I will say). The best and more experienced team in Champions league final stages is Barca (at least within the last 10 years).

Again no argument in here but Juve has to exceute to perfection, Barca can make a mistake and still win (this thread is stimulating my thinking..finally =)

I am having a beer for you all....Cheers! U20 world cup is about to start, Let's gooooo Myanmar U20 team!for God sake who is this team and where is this country at! since I know nothing about them at take them at +2.5 at 2.00 against the US...

Cheers Homies!

[Biff41]

Juventus had a strong game against Napoli but on the other hand, Barca has Messi.

[plekz]

http://gfycat.com/CoarseNeatBlobfish


gl/hf trying to defend against that guy.

[camelbreath$]

6/6

Juventus (UCL) +490 3u Play
Juventus wins UEFA Champions League +240 3u Play
Juventus (UCL) +½ +137 3u Play

Barcas team is good but not invincible, Juventus is the worst match up for them sitting back hurting them on the counter, a lot has been said about this Barca team but fact is they have had there time...past teams have been better this is the Italian's year. Trust me on this Juvey is the side to back in the final all of my brain/gut/heart is telling me the underdogs win this year.

Good luck with what ever you go, have a good one men

What is a single unit for you if you are betting 9 units on this match??

[ace_202]

A few things i will say about this game seeing as i've got a lot of heavy insight and logic on these teams, especially Barca, having seem them play before, live.

Barca go into this heavy favourites and rightfully so. There has not been a back 4 or 5 that have been able to contain the Barca trident and the only time Barca haven't scored in the past 6 months was when Malaga played 10 men behind the ball. Juve, granted, have a strong backline and really thrive on being able to absorb pressure from other offensive teams and, as pointed out, have quite a potent counter attack but if i was to match Vidal V Alba or Alves V Tevez in a footrace towards other goal, i'm banking that the Barca boys would be able to do enough for Mascherano and Pique to flood back and fill the hole. I don't see Juve scoring in this matchup and Barca will make absolute mince meat of these the Turins here in the finals.

The ABSOLUTE only worry I have with Barca is with their big time game composure. Now I say this quite loosely seeing as they have gone to Allianz and scored, gone to Man City and dominated, albeit against weaker teams but my worry was the El Classico 3-4 months ago now. It was a cagey affair and the back 4 have been known to make slip ups from time to time. As mentioned above however their resolve has solidified and Barca will get their treble they've had their hands on since mid Feb.

In closing,

The only people going for Juve, are people who don't want Barca to win. Don't be foolish and back the 'value' pick because you'll end up a loser this time. Barca are a class above and Juve have had the softest run into the CL final. I don't need to say anymore.

[alexrafco]

Ace I'm with you, I've made a lot this last year, I'm betting favorite over the last 4-6 months 65-70% of the time I didn't realize until April either until I looked over my first third results. Anyhow i hate to be so reparative but even in that new thread I made I said my theme for today is "they're favorites for a reason". Now I completely understand how your making your plays and in theory it is not "wrong" but there's no value in losing either. It's easier to handicap so late in the year because you've seen the team play so many times by now, that being said I've pretty much stopped handicapping and began simply betting the better team. To my point, it wasn't until February when it the world truly understood that barcalona is as advertised they are in a league of their own this year as their God-like performances show, knowing what this team is capable and betting against them, regardless of +EV no longer makes sense to me. No need to over analyze, no need to look for the value anymore we know what this team is so just eat the juice and bet on the better team, and take the money. Few see value in -160, I do. Now I'm not saying go around and bet every -300 favorite you see but again this late in the season there's no more need to handicap, just bet on the best team in the world and collect your money.

[plekz]

another thing to take into consideration is that tevez hasn't really shown the greatest of form, you'd have to go back all the way to the first against real to find a game were he had a real solid effort (and this is counting domestic and cups aswell) pogba's is strugglin to find his form aswell since coming back from injury.

i also find it real hard to believe that evra and lichsteiner are gonna be able to stop messi or neymar when they come runnin at them, and if you manage to close out one of them you still have the other two to worry about. the attack of barcelona is far more deadly then what they faced against real madrid and in that first game in turine, juve was up against it from the jump.

[MickeyMan]

Good luck on your going tout Rudy, if this hits I feel like you will have a great shot at fulfilling your dream.

And you won't have to cry to the mod's to delete this thread like ya did your first nhl thread this season.

holla

[Big Bear]

game is not til June 6th????

damn soccer players be taking long ass breaks

won't they get rusty in the meantime?

[camelbreath$]

game is not til June 6th????

damn soccer players be taking long ass breaks

won't they get rusty in the meantime?

Juve just played a Serie A game yesterday, and Barca won the Copa Del Rey final yesterday.

[camelbreath$]

Rudy what is 9 units in $ amount? Seems like wayyy too much to wager if your units are what I consider units

[Rudeboy]

Rudy what is 9 units in $ amount? Seems like wayyy too much to wager if your units are what I consider units

1 unit = £150, £1350 invested fella

I do what I do take care

[Stokes36]

I'm just excited as hell for the game. I'm against ruder on this 100% but Ruder is still my dude regardless.

I pretty much echo the thoughts of Ace and papa, here.

[Cordoba25]

http://gfycat.com/CoarseNeatBlobfish


gl/hf trying to defend against that guy.

It's like when Mike Tyson used to say "everyone has a game plan until they get hit in the face"

Well, how in the world can you game plan against that to happen. Granted that was one of the best goals we ever seen Messi score but amazing plays like these happen all the time w/ Barca w/ the big 3. You simply can't game plan against that.

[Darkside Magick]

after seeing that goal by messi i don't how juventus win!!!!

[Rudeboy]

after seeing that goal by messi i don't how juventus win!!!!

It's easy every game is different what did messi do in the World Cup final?? Juventus's style will hurt them more so because of the individual class of tevez,morata,pogba,vidal,pirlo,marchsio

[vasilli07]

From what I read and heard, Messi is 1 of the reason why Tevez wasn't selected for the WC squad last year. I think he will be more motivated to get 1 over Messi.

[new era]

Seems like a decent play for value. I hate Barcelona, but its tough to bet against them.

after seeing that goal by messi i don't how juventus win!!!!

Good thing Juventus is a different team than Bilbao.

[Cordoba25]

It's easy every game is different what did messi do in the World Cup final?? Juventus's style will hurt them more so because of the individual class of tevez,morata,pogba,vidal,pirlo,marchsio

Argentina National Team Messi and Barcelona Messi are two different Messis.
It's what the typical Argentian fan complains about Messi... "why can't he do for us what he always does with Barcelona?!?!"

And these players from Juve.. are they better in class than the players from Bayern Munich who individually and collectivley couldn't stop Messi? You really are stretching here to rationalize your pick. When Messi is healthy and motivated there is no player in the world that can contain him. You just have to hope he has a bad day.

[Blackballer]

game is not til June 6th????

damn soccer players be taking long ass breaks

won't they get rusty in the meantime?

Soccer is not like baseball. They don't play 162 games a year. Usually 1 per week (sometimes up to two games a week). Be patient it's worth the wait for this game.

[Cordoba25]

Seems like a decent play for value. I hate Barcelona, but its tough to bet against them.



Good thing Juventus is a different team than Bilbao.

Then watch this again... Messi's 2nd goal against Bayern victimizing Boateng.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjDSfB2Acc

No one is immune to this. He has the ability to make a clown out of anyone on the pitch.. whoever they are and whoever they play for. I really wish Juve scores the 1st goal so I can live bet on Barca for some value. Can't bet it now at -295 unless I parlay it.

[plekz]

It's easy every game is different what did messi do in the World Cup final?? Juventus's style will hurt them more so because of the individual class of tevez,morata,pogba,vidal,pirlo,marchsio

messi's form had been poor prior to the wc and he spent a somewhat big portion of the season injured aswell. this year however it's the complete opposite his form is on point and he's been injury free all season.

you talk about ''individual class'' tevez form has been poor since the first real madrid game, and pogba hasn't had one good game since coming back from injury, he's been okay but far from the form he had before he suffered his muscle tear.

i don't get how you can cap a game and completly neglect these things, or the fact that when lookin at barcelona's squad every position pretty much is on point, and messi,neymar and suarez form is downright scary to see.

[SharkAA]

I see that Rudeboy has been doing good with his picks, but Juventus to win CL, is definitely not good. Barcelona has been playing lights out in the elimination stage. They're the most impressive team without any doubt. On the other hand, Juve hasn't been so impressive. Part of their success against Real Madrid, came from low IQ plays from CR7, Bale and others. I got to admit, the other part was with their disciplined D, that showed up, when it mattered the most.
Can't see Barcelona losing this one.

[Rudeboy]

<header id="yui_3_16_0_1_1433185627964_669" class="header"> Italian boy wakes from month-long coma, asks if Juventus are still in the Champions League

A 14-year-old Italian boy who awoke from a month-long coma reportedly asked his parents if Juventus were still in the Champions League.



A 14-year-old Italian boy who fell into a canal has survived, despite being held under water for 42 minutes.

The youngster, only identified as ‘Michael’, is said to have jumped off a bridge into water that was only 6.5-feet deep. His heart stopped beating whilst submerged in water and he was assumed dead until paramedics brought him back to life using a defibrillator.
The teenager spent one month in hospital in a coma, hooked up to a life support machine in the hope that his heart and lungs would recover from the terrifying ordeal.

And after four weeks in the Milan hospital of San Raffaele, he is said to have woken, with the first words out of his mouth asking whether his favourite team Juventus were still in the Champions League.


The boy’s lead healthcare specialist, Dr Zangrillo told a press conference: "He has recovered the spirit of the kid his parents and friends knew. He is a great guy, with uncommon intelligence. Every day I talk to him and joke - the other day, he asked us for a mojito!
“There are very big question marks about the human brain. We don’t know its full possibilities. What we do know is that you should never give up.”
And that is exactly the kind of attitude Juventus have displayed during their Champions League campaign – one that they will stick to as they face Barcelona in the final on Saturday.

Makes you wonder....the timing, kid obviously woke up for a reason

Do the right thing here fellas,


</header>

[Biff41]

Bet against Bartha at your own risk. Finding an angle on the Over under play might be more worthwhile.

[TwoWays]

when was the last time Barca failed to cover a spread. I believe it was one time in league play a couple weeks back. You have to go way way back to find when they failed to cover since

[vasilli07]

Spain and Italy take turns to win their finals

There have been six prior Spain-versus-Italy Champions League finals and the most recent five have seen the nations rotate who provides the winner. This sequence started with Real Madrid defeating AC Milan in 1958. Then Inter claimed victory for Italy over Real in 1964 (under the watch of former Barcelona boss Helenio Herrera). Spain had to wait until 1992 for their next turn, with Barcelona overcoming Sampdoria in extra time, whereas it was a mere two years later that Italy emphatically reaffirmed supremacy by AC Milan thrashing the Catalan giants 4-0. Real Madrid then beat Juventus 1-0 in 1998, with this the first Span-Italian final since.

[Rudeboy]

<article class="has-odds underlined-links">Spain and Italy take turns to win their finals

There have been six prior Spain-versus-Italy Champions League finals and the most recent five have seen the nations rotate who provides the winner. This sequence started with Real Madrid defeating AC Milan in 1958. Then Inter claimed victory for Italy over Real in 1964 (under the watch of former Barcelona boss Helenio Herrera). Spain had to wait until 1992 for their next turn, with Barcelona overcoming Sampdoria in extra time, whereas it was a mere two years later that Italy emphatically reaffirmed supremacy by AC Milan thrashing the Catalan giants 4-0. Real Madrid then beat Juventus 1-0 in 1998, with this the first Span-Italian final since.

</article>

vaseline gets it

[cogiditopapa]

I was watching ESPN this afternoon, they mentioned that Cheillini stated that Messi would had never score a goal like the one he scored against Bilbao in Italy.

There is a old saying people in Latin America say when defending:
"o pasa el jugador, o pasa la pelota, pero nunca los 2 juntos"
"Either the player goes through or the ball, but both will never go through together"

I think Chiellini probably thought, well if messi is in front of me I will just foul him. That is at least what teams in Latin America do to try to stop him or any player that is skillful, we will probably see this in Copa America.

How many different Juve players will get booked? the cards market could be good if anyone is familiar with it over 4.5 bookings @ 2.0, Red card @ 4.33. Also a Penalty in the match is priced @ 3.50

[smithah2]

Juve is way over due for a champions league trophy. Forza Juve! On the other hand screw barcelona,they deserve nothing. I have not rarely bet on barca all season, there is little value. I do not belittle how good they are but just say from a betting stand point they a useless to me. Its Juve or no bet for me. whether I make a play on Juve i still have yet to decide, but again its Juve or not bet for me!

[DRB]

when was the last time Barca failed to cover a spread. I believe it was one time in league play a couple weeks back. You have to go way way back to find when they failed to cover since

Barca beat Bilbao 3-1 last saturday to win the Copa Del Rey. Line was 2 or 2.5 depending what odds you took but a push at best.
Obviously they wanted the treble but Juventus was their main concern coming up a short week later.
I am not making any predictions but I have seen a few people say that Juve has to win 1-0. I believe they can score 2 but they will be looking for the tight game and Barca will control possession like they always do.
Good to see all the interest in the Champions League final !!

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

I do not watch soccer often but I will be watching this

[jjgold]

Soccer season just way too long with too many ballgames it's so hard to keep up

So many leagues and competitions etc. I wouldn't want to be a soccer bettor

[plekz]

it feels like the entire value here rests with juventus being the ones to score first, betting 9 units on this essentially as a fact happenin feels very unwise. if barcelona scores first, (which when looking at the firepower they posess way bigger guns then juventus) then juventus plans goes out the window in an instant, and if they get to runnin with barca they are likely to get slaughtered.

none of juve's back four have the legs under them to take on messi, neymar or suarez on their own, not without fouling atleast. and chielini has already done dumb things this cl campaign, and buffon while still being one of the best goalies in the world when on point, is still prone to have nights with senior moments (casillas style)

i'll be taking the goals market here, as i do not in any way given the playstyle see this being a very low scoring affair like last year, which more then anything was caused due to the fact that atleti had exhausted all three of their subs by early 2nd half (2 of them was gone in the opening 25 with both costa and turan being forced off) and what's more real had a team of people struggling with form.

this year it's the complete opposite, lookin at results none of the teams are strugglin with form, and messi,neymar & suarez have combined for over 130+ goals this year, which is absolutley insane considering suarez was banned until late october.