1. #71
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    The players did. Since some of the discussions between Betfair and the players are ongoing, I don't want to disclose any more.

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    bet you knew i would comment on this one Justin

    It is no surprise that more info re the players is not forthcoming and Betfair have to act within the law and the law and the Memorandum of understanding that Betfair signs with each sporting body.

    There was no way in hell Betfair were ever going to take anybodies money without just reason, now i dont know the full story here but the only time Betfair does anything like this is when a criminal act is suspected.

    If it was something silly like bonus abuse the players would have been informed.

    Now Justin to warn people to be careful with Betfair when 3 people out of 2 million plus have their money confiscated, people you dont know personally, people whos agenda you ahve no idea of, people who in all fairness could be lying to you is a little bit of a knee jerk reaction.

    SBR have it in for Betfair, always have, the reason is they wont talk to you and no European or British book will until you get away from your bias against them.

    SBR is primarily a US facing site and until you get influence within Europe you will continually misinterpretate the situation.

    Betfair is by far the safest and best book anywhere on planet earth that is strethcing ahead of all its nearest competitors worldwide, what is they say Millions cant be wrong.

    Step up to the plater SBR, get in tune with Europe, stop the bias and anti European stance and stop screaming fire everytime you deal with a European book,

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    Quote Originally Posted by betpartners View Post
    SBR have it in for Betfair, always have, the reason is they wont talk to you and no European or British book will until you get away from your bias against them.

    SBR is primarily a US facing site and until you get influence within Europe you will continually misinterpretate the situation.

    Betfair is by far the safest and best book anywhere on planet earth that is strethcing ahead of all its nearest competitors worldwide, what is they say Millions cant be wrong.

    Step up to the plater SBR, get in tune with Europe, stop the bias and anti European stance and stop screaming fire everytime you deal with a European book,
    So, why is betfair rated A+ at SBR? They've never advertised at SBR.

    Yes, SBR is primarily a US facing site, but they work worldwide and I'd go to them with an issue before anyone else on perhaps 95% of books around the world.

    Betfair is betfair, I was obviously inclined to side with them before facts came out on this issue, but they do have to put out the facts.

    SBR has no euro-bias. It's more the reverse. I agree euro books aren't really their expert area, but betfair is rated A+ at SBR, ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by durito View Post
    So, why is betfair rated A+ at SBR? They've never advertised at SBR.

    Yes, SBR is primarily a US facing site, but they work worldwide and I'd go to them with an issue before anyone else on perhaps 95% of books around the world.

    Betfair is betfair, I was obviously inclined to side with them before facts came out on this issue, but they do have to put out the facts.

    SBR has no euro-bias. It's more the reverse. I agree euro books aren't really their expert area, but betfair is rated A+ at SBR, ok?
    fully aware of that fact

    but of all the A+ books on here none get attacked like betfair and secondly they are only rated A+ because not to have them rated would undermine the whole rating system.

    If they could be rated lower then be assured they would be

    Ask Justin if he would ahve them A+ bet he wouldnt

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    I don't buy it.

    SBR is as human as any place is. But, those ratings are pretty accurate. The legal climate between euro and usa makes this a very difficult exercise, but sbr still does quite the job. Find my another internet rating site that will rate books anywhere near the top level that don't advertise there.

    I'd wager most of my bankroll that if Betfair would give Justin the details, he'd rule for betfair, but for whatever legal reasons, they won't. It's just a different wagering environment. But, SBR isn't manipulating anything. I understand it's a different legal situation, but I don't see where SBR is manipulating anything. They recommend BetFair. There are sites that don't.

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    being an exchange its not favord by the Industry.

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    wow

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    Quote Originally Posted by betpartners View Post
    Now Justin to warn people to be careful with Betfair

    SBR have it in for Betfair,


    Betfair is by far the safest and best book anywhere
    JESUS MOTHER F.CKING CHRIS,

    WHAT A GOD-DAMMED SHILL!!!!

    GREAT JOB JUSTIN,KEEP IT UP,KEEP A CLOSE WATCH ON BETFAIR,LIKE YOU AND SBR DOES OVER ALL THE INDUSTRY

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    I have zero knowledge of Betfair,but ,my opinion would be ...if they have been honest and reliable for [how many] years ,I have to trust their judgement on this 3 man issue,at least until they respond .

    Look's like a handful of pre-judging going on ?

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    wow, did BetFair return the players funds?

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    no downgrade...wow

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    yes, I'd be very interested to learn of the outcome of this

    has it been resolved yet?

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    update?

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    I hope they fix this

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    SBR should Downgrade Betfair ASAP. otherwise, more [layers will be victimized

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackkkk2009 View Post
    SBR should Downgrade Betfair ASAP. otherwise, more [layers will be victimized
    so are you saying that because you know the outcome of this story?

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    Betfair is by far ahead of any bookmaker and or exchange. Yes, they should have given reasons for the closing of account(s), but they may have a good enough explanation that they do not need to send such information. In my opinion, i do not think this should warrant a downgrade at all. I've had disputes with Betfair before and they handled it before with ease and a phone call too. This must have been a more serious situation than that of mine, but i'm sure they have good enough reasons to do what they have done.

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    CLOSING ACCOUNTS FINE THEY CAN DO THAT BUT TAKING THE PLAYERS MONEY SHOULD NEVER HAPEN UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.

    ANY SPORTSBOOK THAT HOLDS AND TAKES A PLAYERS MONEY SHOULD GET DOWNGRADED NO QUESTIONS ASKED.THROW THE PLAYERS OUT BUT ALWAYS PAY THEM THERE MONEY

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    Maybe all 3 players were the same guy. And THAT is why those accounts were closed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BEANTOWNJIM View Post
    CLOSING ACCOUNTS FINE THEY CAN DO THAT BUT TAKING THE PLAYERS MONEY SHOULD NEVER HAPEN UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.

    ANY SPORTSBOOK THAT HOLDS AND TAKES A PLAYERS MONEY SHOULD GET DOWNGRADED NO QUESTIONS ASKED.THROW THE PLAYERS OUT BUT ALWAYS PAY THEM THERE MONEY
    don't dismiss crime ... money-laundering, whatever as the possible reason for this

    it's less likely to be Betfair who took the cash but the authorities seizing it

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    still its very interesting to know whats the final outcome here? as moderator declared players were contacted by betfair, why dont they told about the final outcome, isnt it strange? i think there are 2 possible reasons:
    1. players get paid and were said not to speak
    2. players are quilty and there were serious evidences, so players decided not to speak.

    situation 3 is most impossible here: betfair guilty and players still looking for money, then they would have reported to SBR in that case!

    so if Justin7 might say the outcome, but i doubt that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eidolon View Post
    Maybe all 3 players were the same guy. And THAT is why those accounts were closed...
    Maybe

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    I can't understand why we are all just left to wonder and speculate over the outcome to this.

    Why won't SBR update us on progress or resolution of the matter?

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    I have a half of my funds at betafair I simple love them, but I agree that no bookie should keep the custumers money afther they close the acount, not even the scam bwin does that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruifgalmeida View Post
    I have a half of my funds at betafair I simple love them, but I agree that no bookie should keep the custumers money afther they close the acount, not even the scam bwin does that
    agree, but I can't believe Betfair would keep the funds for themselves beyond any costs they incurred in dealing with the issue

    if they confiscated them it would be pursuant to the laws they operate under and they would have forwarded them on to the relevant regulatory authority

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    Betfairs business model is very cool.

    Their 5% commission rate isnīt enough for them.

    Betfair also make millions of Euros every day in their "in play" markets because their traders donīt have their 5-8 seconds delay every customer have!!!

    What a cool job!
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    thx for the info justin ..... you shld avoid betfair .... fukn oysters

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    SBR may not know the result themselves, as I doubt Betfair involved them in the mediation process.

    The in-play allegation above is totally baseless. I used to play those markets a lot, and was never picked off in a case that wasn't slow TV pictures / user error.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaps View Post
    thx for the info justin ..... you shld avoid betfair .... fukn oysters
    You have obviously never used Betfair before. Please come up with something valid to offer to this argument. That is just take a shot at them for no reason.

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    Betfair cheat their customers every day. No matter if "in play" or not.

    I canīt believe you canīt see this Santo

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    its been how long and nothing has been done to this book?

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    moonbeam: There are some things I don't like, such as the cross-posting of backs/lays which they can skim, but your in-play allegation was simply false.

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    i usually keep 10k-30k in betfair never had any prob...about in play yes they smtms do "inside" trading and some extras...also there are some bots that "clean" all the mistakes that players do in placing some bets..
    however betfair is not only an exchange its a really useful TOOL that changed the betting map/history

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santo View Post
    SBR may not know the result themselves, as I doubt Betfair involved them in the mediation process.
    well in that case why don't they simply say so?

    you'd expect that at least one of the players would have advised them of any resolution or what stage the matter is up to

    particularly so if it went against them

    if they had any degree of success they may have had to agree not to talk

    so in the absence of any news I'd be suggesting that it's likely that the latter is the case

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonbeam View Post
    Betfair cheat their customers every day. No matter if "in play" or not.

    I canīt believe you canīt see this Santo
    i also dont believe that betfair has inplay traders, cose there are many courtsiders on the games and they are realy fast. Even when i watch a game and i have delay(normal its up to 5 secs) i can cancel my bet fast enough.

    Btw betfair has new look from today, looking not bad, cant say if they changed anything else. Did they ?

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