1. 10-04-12 01:18 AM #106
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mantle7 View Post
    We're still in the Roids era, Buddy. They've never test for Human Growth Hormone. EVERYBODY could be on it and we wouldn't know. Cabrera is a big dude and he's gotten a lot bigger. I'm just saying...



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  2. 10-04-12 03:56 AM #107
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    MIGUEL CABRERA IS A DRUNKEN BUM WHO JUST GOT LUCKY THIS YEAR WHEN JOSH HAMILTON MISSED ABOUT 20 GAMES.WASNT IT TWO YEARS AGO THAT THIS GUY WAS ABOUT TO BE SENT TO A.A MIGUEL WILL BE GETTING CHASED BY THE BORDER PATROL AND PICKING FRUIT IN 3 YEARS THIS IS A ONE YEAR WONDER.HE IS OUT OF SHAPE AND DEFINITLY ON HGH HIS NAME WILL APPEAR ON THE CHEATING LIST LIKE ALL THE OTHER LATIN BALLPLAYERS

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  3. 10-04-12 04:07 AM #108
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    It seems 44 HR is not so much for someone some say is on roids

    I would think roids would make Cabrera a 60 HR hitter easily

    I cannot win this argument

    Therefore, I will not revisit this thread
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  4. 10-04-12 07:56 AM #109
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mantle7 View Post


    He was the best hitter of all time imo. If you watch the video look at Bonds swing. It's one of prettiest things I've ever seen. Like Jordan's jumper. Bo Jackson running the football. Tyson's hook.
    Bonds has alright swing but if there was a batter to model a swing over I think it would have to be Griffey(at least for modern players). Griffey's swing was as good of an example as I have ever seen. Swing always look so smooth, effortless and mechanically sound IMO
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  5. 10-04-12 10:33 AM #110
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    BOYS I HATE TO RAIN ON YOUR MIGUEL CABRERA PARADE BUT LOOK AT HIS HEAD ITS HUGE ALMOST AS BIG AS BARRY BONDS SO BOYS I WILL ASK YOU AGAIN IS THERE ANY DOUBT THAT MIGUEL IS JUICING

    THESE RECORDS WILL BE STRIPPED WHEN THEY REPORT MIGUEL HAS BEEN SUSPENDED FOR USING HGH OR STEROIDS
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  6. 10-04-12 10:44 AM #111
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    I finally picked a winner. Topbet freebet back in April.

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    Event 1: Player To Hit Most Home Runs in Reg Season ( All Bets Action )
    Play Time: 2012-10-01 08:00
    Selection: Miguel Cabrera to win
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  7. 10-04-12 10:49 AM #112
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    Quote Originally Posted by BEANTOWNJIM View Post
    BOYS I HATE TO RAIN ON YOUR MIGUEL CABRERA PARADE BUT LOOK AT HIS HEAD ITS HUGE ALMOST AS BIG AS BARRY BONDS SO BOYS I WILL ASK YOU AGAIN IS THERE ANY DOUBT THAT MIGUEL IS JUICING

    THESE RECORDS WILL BE STRIPPED WHEN THEY REPORT MIGUEL HAS BEEN SUSPENDED FOR USING HGH OR STEROIDS
    If no records have been stripped from Bonds, Big Mac, Canseco, and Caminiti, then Miggy is safe as a bug on a rug.
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  8. 10-04-12 10:54 AM #113
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    Quote Originally Posted by Landrew View Post
    Wager ID 21195388
    Event 1: Player To Hit Most Home Runs in Reg Season ( All Bets Action )
    Play Time: 2012-10-01 08:00
    Selection: Miguel Cabrera to win
    Odds: Proposition +1,200
    Final Score: Miguel Cabrera Wins
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    Nice hit man,
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  9. 10-04-12 12:09 PM #114
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    Miggy should be MVP after getting triple crown for sure. Way harder individual feat than a perfect game, hitting for cycle, etc. and one of the hardest individual goals one can get in bases aside from maybe hitting .400. Aside from that his team is in the playoffs largely due to his efforts no doubt.
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  10. 10-04-12 12:19 PM #115
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    he got the quadrouple crown. He led the league in hitting into double plays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy117 View Post
    The dead ball era was over well before 1931.
    It was indeed, I stand correct (1919)
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    The steroid era kept at least ARod, Bonds, Pujols, Albert Belle, Eric Davis and Jeff Bagwell from winning the triple crown too. A fat guy like Cabrera was the best candidate to do it with a level playing field. Pujols has had the same stats or better during a season and wasn't close to winning a triple crown.
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    a lot of Cabrera haters

    love how the gamblers on a gambling forum take the moral high ground
    oh yeah, you gamblers are one to talk about drinking too much alcohol
    you guys are fake human beings

    give the guy a little credit, he's been robbed of the MVP in 2010 by the crackhead when he had better stats

    stop hating already
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  14. 10-04-12 04:06 PM #119
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    Quote Originally Posted by darrell74 View Post
    a lot of Cabrera haters
    Don't hate the guy, I would have given him my MVP vote if I had one, I still say Trout is the more complete player, and if Joey Bats had a full season, would we be having this conversation today? Bautista had 27 bombs and missed half the season,and he did hit 43 last year and 54 the year before that.

    Know this, Bautista would have another 50 homer plus season again this year too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Don't hate the guy, I would have given him my MVP vote if I had one, I still say Trout is the more complete player, and if Joey Bats had a full season, would we be having this conversation today? Bautista had 27 bombs and missed half the season,and he did hit 43 last year and 54 the year before that.

    Know this, Bautista would have another 50 homer plus season again this year too.
    What Miggy did is reality. We are not talkin about shoulda coulda woulda.
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    Boys I got to see Ted Williams play his last few years. And I got to talk to Ted Williams one on one for a few minutes about hitting. That was 43 years ago in spring training. Gentlemen Miguel Cabrera is no Teddy Ballgame.
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    Cabrera isn't on any sauce, guy lost 35lbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Don't hate the guy, I would have given him my MVP vote if I had one, I still say Trout is the more complete player, and if Joey Bats had a full season, would we be having this conversation today? Bautista had 27 bombs and missed half the season,and he did hit 43 last year and 54 the year before that.

    Know this, Bautista would have another 50 homer plus season again this year too.
    that's debatable
    I'm okay with that,
    don't agree with it

    statistical arguments are fair

    but I'm gonna call gamblers out for being frauds on taking the moral high ground on drinking alcohol
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    Cabby hit 28 of his 44 at CoPa which is one of the deepest parks in the league. Imagine him playing in Texas or NY the entire year.
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    Boys I got to see Ted Williams play his last few years. And I got to talk to Ted Williams one on one for a few minutes about hitting. That was 43 years ago in spring training. Gentlemen Miguel Cabrera is no Teddy Ballgame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darrell74 View Post
    a lot of Cabrera haters

    love how the gamblers on a gambling forum take the moral high ground
    oh yeah, you gamblers are one to talk about drinking too much alcohol
    you guys are fake human beings

    give the guy a little credit, he's been robbed of the MVP in 2010 by the crackhead when he had better stats

    stop hating already

    1) Nice lecture to the forum on taking the moral high ground, then label Josh Hamilton a 'crackhead' in your next breath.

    2) Miggy is so much easier to root for than Josh, I dislike Josh, I kind of like Miggy, still think Trout is the better all around player.
    I don't do chemicals, I can't relate to Hamilton, I do like bourbon and beer, I can relate to Miggy, I don't slam him for that.

    3) In 2010 Josh did not rob Miggy of anything, he has no MVP vote, if you think Miggy got robbed, blame the 28 baseball writers that have a vote. Actually blame the 22 baseball writers that voted for Hamilton for MVP, Cabrera got six first place votes. Also, the six that did vote for Miggy for MVP in 2010, all write for papers in AL central cities.

    4) Cabrera had some better stats that season then Hamilton, Cabrera had more homers than Josh, Bautista had more homers than the rest of them, Cabrera had more RBI than Hamilton, he also played in 17 more games. Hamilton led the league in average .359, led the league in slugging .633, led the league in OPS, and Hamilton led the league in hitting with runners in scoring position.(.369)
    Besides RBI, Miggy led the league in OBA barely, .420 to .411 Hamilton was second.
    Did Miggy really have better stats than Hamilton?
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    Quote Originally Posted by darrell74 View Post

    but I'm gonna call gamblers out for being frauds on taking the moral high ground on drinking alcohol
    I get that, and you are a rock solid poster, and probably a guy I want to drink at the bar with and all, but you can't call them out in one breath, while labeling Hamilton a crackhead.
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    Cabrera is so f'n durable the least amount of games he played in the last 5 seasons is 150 everyday guy no matter what, that impressive to me with all the little babies in the MLB now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    1) Nice lecture to the forum on taking the moral high ground, then label Josh Hamilton a 'crackhead' in your next breath.

    2) Miggy is so much easier to root for than Josh, I dislike Josh, I kind of like Miggy, still think Trout is the better all around player.
    I don't do chemicals, I can't relate to Hamilton, I do like bourbon and beer, I can relate to Miggy, I don't slam him for that.

    3) In 2010 Josh did not rob Miggy of anything, he has no MVP vote, if you think Miggy got robbed, blame the 28 baseball writers that have a vote. Actually blame the 22 baseball writers that voted for Hamilton for MVP, Cabrera got six first place votes. Also, the six that did vote for Miggy for MVP in 2010, all write for papers in AL central cities.

    4) Cabrera had some better stats that season then Hamilton, Cabrera had more homers than Josh, Bautista had more homers than the rest of them, Cabrera had more RBI than Hamilton, he also played in 17 more games. Hamilton led the league in average .359, led the league in slugging .633, led the league in OPS, and Hamilton led the league in hitting with runners in scoring position.(.369)
    Besides RBI, Miggy led the league in OBA barely, .420 to .411 Hamilton was second.
    Did Miggy really have better stats than Hamilton?
    very close call but a robbery! no way
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dux90 View Post
    very close call but a robbery! no way
    The voting should have been closer, I agree.
    Cano should have gotten some more love too.


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  26. 10-04-12 05:14 PM #131
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    Steroids and Baseball are so overrated. Guys that played the game know what I'm talking about. Would you say the "Roided" Bonds was a stronger physical specimen then Cabrera right now? No. It's not like Bonds looked like your typical NFL player.
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    I tend to agree with Nash. He's usually right on about most issued or we have a similar opinion. How can you not give Cabrera the MVP after winning the triple crown??? However, I think Trout is a better all around player... By far.
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    good work Steve, you're doing your homework


    crackhead reference extends to his delicate diva like playing
    earlier this year, Nolan Ryan criticized him for giving away at bats,
    yesterday he opened the flood gates on a routine fly ball,
    team can't celebrate winning w/ champagne, they gotta have Sprite or he relapses

    that's why I call him the crackhead-he's phony as hell-a diva
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    Quote Originally Posted by darrell74 View Post
    good work Steve, you're doing your homework


    crackhead reference extends to his delicate diva like playing
    earlier this year, Nolan Ryan criticized him for giving away at bats,
    yesterday he opened the flood gates on a routine fly ball,
    team can't celebrate winning w/ champagne, they gotta have Sprite or he relapses

    that's why I call him the crackhead-he's phony as hell-a diva
    Trust me Darrell, I dislike him a lot.
    I hope I didn't come across harsh.
    Josh did miss those games due to rib injury in 2010, but still, the guy can't get in front of his demons, I got a problem with that.
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    Baseball is hard to watch as it is, could you imagine them not on roids?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffie View Post
    Baseball is hard to watch as it is, could you imagine them not on roids?
    MLB package for me

    I never watched the Sunday night game, too slow
    I have 2 games on and the 3rd TV in my man cave will be on the MLB mix on channel 720
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    Quote Originally Posted by darrell74 View Post
    MLB package for me
    Worth every penny
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Jones View Post
    Boys I got to see Ted Williams play his last few years. And I got to talk to Ted Williams one on one for a few minutes about hitting. That was 43 years ago in spring training. Gentlemen Miguel Cabrera is no Teddy Ballgame.
    I met him once as a kid. (13 I think.)

    Taking NOTHING AWAY from Cabrera, you sir are spot on !

    IMO
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    Carew and Boggs were pesky hitters too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HOT WINGS View Post
    Bonds has alright swing but if there was a batter to model a swing over I think it would have to be Griffey(at least for modern players). Griffey's swing was as good of an example as I have ever seen. Swing always look so smooth, effortless and mechanically sound IMO
    I'm not gonna argue Griffey had a pretty swing. He had a homerun hitters swing like Ruth. Look at how balanced Bonds is when he swung, though. Never lunging, never late. Just a thing of beauty. Bonds has the most Intentional Walks and Walks in history. The year he broke the record it was ridiculous. It got to the point where a team would just refuse to throw him a strike because the knew he was gonna go yard. He was the most feared hitter of all time.
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