[thetrinity]

to think that guy who raised in that spot only has a premium hand every single time is a joke this isnt 1970.

[NYSportsGuy210]

LOL @ this entire response.

Is this Tom Dwan?

Actually I take this as a compliment. Dwan probably has made more money in the last 2 years than any of you will see in 5 lifetimes.

[wantitall4moi]

you gotta try and play pots in position end of story, if you arent good enough to get away from flopping top pair, find a new game to play.

so your paying 16 bux to flop top pair and then fold if there is a bet and a raise on the flop....

like I said this is why poker is still easy money for guys who want to put in the time. because obviously a few braindeads still have some money left somewhere.

its a 2/4 game you cant bet enough to protect any sort of hand. come to a Ca card room sometime and even a 4/8 game is maxed out with usually 5 or 6callers to the flop (in an 8 seat game) then you can still see 3 or 4 guys after a total shit flop hits. I seen jack high win so many 200 dollar pots in those games its sick. But that is the game the retards play, 2/4 is just half as retarded.

[NYSportsGuy210]

This has to be the worst group of poker players ever witnessed in a forum of all-time.
First of all, it's homo to even ask what you should do with a hand like that.
Poker is all feel and all reads, especially in cash games online.
There is no correct play folding or calling or even raising. It's all based on stack sizes, implied odds, and how big of a tool the player raising and flat-calling are.
Your hand is irrelevant. You can button call anything vs anyone who plays aggressive. You can fold anything vs a rock OR you can call anything vs. a rock knowing he has big hands and is gonna pay you off if you outflop him. You just have to be able to make the right decisions in hands and not go broke just because you have a pair or even better than that depending on the situation.
You're always playing the player, never your cards. Plain n simple. Of course cards assist you but until you realize it's about your surroundings and not whats in your hand, you'll never profit a penny in the game of poker overall.

This response is stupid. Basically this clown is saying guess and go with your gut at all times. There are a lot of times where in poker you have to do this because of the nature of the game but this isn't one of them. Like I said depending on chip stack and style of the play from the initial raisers you can throw a "feeler re-raise" out there to see if the initial raisers are holding low to mid-pocket pairs, AK or Ace-Rag suited. Or again you can smooth call and see if you outflop them and can set them up for a trap.

[thetrinity]

so your paying 16 bux to flop top pair and then fold if there is a bet and a raise on the flop....

like I said this is why poker is still easy money for guys who want to put in the time. because obviously a few braindeads still have some money left somewhere.

its a 2/4 game you cant bet enough to protect any sort of hand. come to a Ca card room sometime and even a 4/8 game is maxed out with usually 5 or 6callers to the flop (in an 8 seat game) then you can still see 3 or 4 guys after a total shit flop hits. I seen jack high win so many 200 dollar pots in those games its sick. But that is the game the retards play, 2/4 is just half as retarded.

good fold getting over 5-1 on the button once the 2 limpers get sucked in with garbage hands when only 3 hands in the deck have kq dominated and we have a blocker to every hand but aa. go troll the lakers, u r better at doing that.

[GOIRISH]

If this is SBR poker I go all in. Chances are everyone will fold. If not I've found 7,2 has just as much shot to win on SBR as A,A.

[k13]

Taking poker advice from someone with < 9 poker badges = -EV

[thetrinity]

Taking poker advice from someone with < 9 poker badges = -EV

cuz an sbr shovefest proves a lot?

[k13]

cuz an sbr shovefest proves a lot?

I was kidding.

I'm used to faster blinds and lower stacks than SBR. If you are winning player you will have an edge with any format in the long run.

[lunchbawks]

snap fold /thread

anyone who thinks otherwise should not play cash games

[Monte]

Throw it away, this hand is no good for chasing..it's only nice if you can get in cheap and that's about it.

[NYSportsGuy210]

Taking poker advice from someone with < 9 poker badges = -EV

Fcuk your SBR poker badges man I have cashed three WSOP tournaments already. Some of us can't be online 24/7 and actually have to work jobs in real life.

[lunchbawks]

sbr poker badges wow.. don't like 40% get paid??

[wantitall4moi]

good fold getting over 5-1 on the button once the 2 limpers get sucked in with garbage hands when only 3 hands in the deck have kq dominated and we have a blocker to every hand but aa. go troll the lakers, u r better at doing that.

if youre going to use odds, get them right, he is looking at putting 16 into a 46 dollar pot at that point. That isnt even 3-1 let alone the (over) 5-1 you want to think it is. Now if the blinds both call and the original limpers then ya sure he is then going to be getting 6-1, but good luck winning a pot with KA suited with 6 other guys going to the flop.

But I will play the what if game, what if he flops top two but suited to one of these ass clowns hole cards and the guy sucks out on him? His 16 dollar 'flyer' turned into probably a 50 or 70 dollar loss. Again good luck getting that back playing a 2/4 game.

But sure raising and throwing chips in like that is exactly why people play 2/4 it is a lottery game so actually using any kind of common sense or poker brains isnt required.

[k13]

SBR would eat your WSOP cashes up for dinner.

[thetrinity]

if youre going to use odds, get them right, he is looking at putting 16 into a 46 dollar pot at that point. That isnt even 3-1 let alone the (over) 5-1 you want to think it is. Now if the blinds both call and the original limpers then ya sure he is then going to be getting 6-1, but good luck winning a pot with KA suited with 6 other guys going to the flop.

But I will play the what if game, what if he flops top two but suited to one of these ass clowns hole cards and the guy sucks out on him? His 16 dollar 'flyer' turned into probably a 50 or 70 dollar loss. Again good luck getting that back playing a 2/4 game.

But sure raising and throwing chips in like that is exactly why people play 2/4 it is a lottery game so actually using any kind of common sense or poker brains isnt required.

im obviously talking about once the 2 limpers call the extra 12 dollars, which i assume theyll like the price of the pot so you have an 86 dollar pot. call me crazy but i think its a pretty safe assumption. no one else in this hand besides MAYBE the original raiser has a hand that has you dominated. if the raiser ONLY has top 5 hands in his range here and has us dominated, then he should be super easy to exploit anyways, and id proceed more cautiously against him. we dont know either way from the given information, hes just a random player.

[thetrinity]

i just dont see why u all think the guy who made it 16 has to have sbr john dominated. hes in late position, granted there are limps, but he could still be fairly wide. we know nothing about any previous hands. against a random player id give him a range of 88+ paired and probably a10s+ unpaired. keep in mind we have a blocker to every hand except aa that has us dominated, so hands like ak aq qq kk are less likely.

[k13]

i just dont see why u all think the guy who made it 16 has to have sbr john dominated. hes in late position, granted there are limps, but he could still be fairly wide. we know nothing about any previous hands. against a random player id give him a range of 88+ paired and probably a10s+ unpaired. keep in mind we have a blocker to every hand except aa that has us dominated, so hands like ak aq qq kk are less likely.

Maybe used to playing the old fart way.

[thetrinity]

Maybe used to playing the old fart way.

i agree, but we dont necessarily know that, if he says that would be a different story. only way i think this is a fold is if we know hes an old fart type player and that the limpers were the type who wuld fold even getting good pot odds.

[icancount2one]

Holy fukking god, people are seriously talking about folding KQs on the button to a standard size MP raise? What, do you sit on your hands all day and wait for aces to play a pot?

Easy, easy call.

Fukk, depending on table texture and player tendencies, you could re-pop it up to about $40 and try and take it down if the flop comes up blank. Call is almost certainly best though.

I'm not sure if the previous posters calling for a fold are just the 15 rare nits who actually post/play on SBR where people will call you in that spot with J9off, or if you all just want to look smart/tight or whatever.

[ttwarrior1]

u fold, simple stuff, very simple,must fold, and always

[hawley]

Fcuk your SBR poker badges man I have cashed three WSOP tournaments already. Some of us can't be online 24/7 and actually have to work jobs in real life.

The Persian can play

[thetrinity]

u fold, simple stuff, very simple,must fold, and always

Proof im right

[thetrinity]

Holy fukking god, people are seriously talking about folding KQs on the button to a standard size MP raise? What, do you sit on your hands all day and wait for aces to play a pot?

Easy, easy call.

Fukk, depending on table texture and player tendencies, you could re-pop it up to about $40 and try and take it down if the flop comes up blank. Call is almost certainly best though.

I'm not sure if the previous posters calling for a fold are just the 15 rare nits who actually post/play on SBR where people will call youspot with J9off, or if you all just want to look smart/tight or whatever.

Exactly wat i said. Closer to a 3bet then a fold, but a call is probably optimal. I think this place makes me dumber every time i come on here. Not even close to a fold given the dynamic we were presented.

[k13]

How many hands an hour do you get in live poker?

You might wait 10 hours to get AA/KK.........KQs is actually more rare so what are you going to be waiting for?

[Regul8er]

If your going to fold QK squited, with action in front, and on the button.........you may as well take your chips and go play something else.
These are the hands you play for, and for only $16, why not? Your going to spend that on a lousy game of BJ, where you get dealt a 10 5, against a K. Loser!

[BIGDAY]

Don't let em push you around John!

[k13]

118 to 1 odds you flop a flush so I hope you dont play poker for money if you think like that.....actually I hope you do.

Dont try and chase flushes or go broke because its suited

Yeah but a ~10% chance of flopping a flush draw and that's all you really need.

[mikemca]

ha ha this thread is funny. This is an AUTO fold unless raiser can be made to fold to a re raise.

LMAO this is why poker is easy money.

First off its a 2/4 game which is a total waste of money. But that aside that is an insta fold period end of sentence. Guys that cal with that shit are the guys who had to quit playing years ago because theyre broke already.

snap fold /thread

anyone who thinks otherwise should not play cash games

These...There is just too much shyt that could go wrong before you even see the flop.Of course nothing is set in stone and a raise here looks really really strong but you would really have to be dialed in with the tables tendencies to make that play.

[k13]

I'd call if EVERYONE at the table shoved all in, in front of me.

[yahoonino]

call it and see flop,,,,,,,then you go from there

[mikemca]

I'd call if EVERYONE at the table shoved all in, in front of me.

Thats just dumb

call it and see flop,,,,,,,then you go from there

Thats just spewy

[k13]

Thats just dumb

Are you folding AKs?

If there's twenty people at the table I'm jamming it in there.

[SBR_John]

A little more than half say call, nearly split evenly.

[BIGDAY]

John, honestly, at this point, i get warned for table talk. My unorthadox style would probably tell them what I had and then look for a tell. Dealer then warns me... I tip dealer another $20 and I get an automatic 2 more warnings.