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    Let the Lakers talk begin

    Now thatthe Lakers are fianlly done I am sure every talking head getting p[aid to spew their nonsense wil come out and say the things I said back in November about this team....they just arent that good. All year long people were saying how good this team was and how they werent playing up to potential and the usual bullshit that these no nothings talk about during the season trying to explain why a team they over rate isnt performing well.

    So now that they get embarrassed once again and totally blown out in an elimination game people will be looking to figure out what is 'wrong' witht he Lakers. Which they will conclude are the same things I said in November.

    While they did out perform my expectations and make the play offs they werent even as 'good' as I thought they would be. Which basically means other teams I thought would finish ahead of them did worse thatn I thought they would.

    So Lakers are in a worse position (again) than if they had tanked and gotten a lottery pick. Although since they continually trade those picks to get more garbage players I guess it is a moot point anyway.

    So you look at the current Lakers and wonder how do you 'fix' them. Obvious talk will be about Pau getting traded they tried to once and it fell through and no one was willing to opver pay for him. Now he is around 18 mil cheaper so he can now be traded, but who do you tarde him for? He is still better than most, he just suffers from situational issues, as in Kobe being a ball hop and then when they lose blaming these guys for not being 'aggressive' which is hard to do when they dont touch the ball in the 3rd or 4th quarters if lakers are behind because Kobe is trying single handedly to get the lakers back in it.

    Bynum, total head case, but again that could be a situational thing as well. guy can be dominant if he is used correctly, which there were moments this year, but once again any game plan that involves him gets thrown out the window when kobe starts hogging the ball or trying to be the man. He miraculously stayed healthy this year which is a ig upswing especially if they are looking to trade him also.

    Session, clearly what everyone thought he was...garbage. Guy has moments, but he is a professional player he should have a moment now and again, cant play defense for shit and is very limited on the offensive end. Lakers traded Kapono and Walton for him so it is a wash I guess. Getting rid of Waltons salary was the best thing Lakers did this year.

    Eyenga, throw in player with Session to make salaries work, total non factor. inactive for the whole time they had him just about.

    Jordan Hill, Lakers traded their first round pick and Derek Fisher for him. He gave them plenty of minutes and actually played pretty well, but they overpaid for him. He is young and they probably try and keep him a decent utility player, but he isnt lamar Odom (when Odom is right in the head) which is ultimately why they got him, to replace that diversity.

    Blake, garbage always has been always will be ANY guy can shoot the 3 when their open so he is as replaceable as the next white guy from the MAC to come out.

    Matt Barnes, one of the few players worth his salary but he got totally lost as the OKC series went, he didnt even play last night. Just another example of why Mike Brown is a bad coach. But if Lakers are looing for scapegoats he is a good guy because people will want to trade for him.

    Josh Mcroberts, totally MIA the last half of the year when they got those trades from Cleveland, I expect him to be gone as well. He was not good and not sure what they can get for him.

    Troy Murphy, same as Mcroberts except he is 6 years older, both just 2 big nonathletic white guys made to fill and clog the lane, which for the lakers is overkill. Lakers got them because they were cheap and no one else wanted to come to LA.

    Rest of the roster is 1 and 2 year players which never got to play after the first month of the season. Some may be gone who knows and who cars, but rest assured if the Lakers trade them they will flourish somewhere else.

    Common denominator? Kobe. I am interested to see how many of these so called experts come up with the most logical suggestion...trade Kobe and rebuild with what you have. This team played well against a pretty decent schedule when Kobe skipped those 5 or 6 games to rest up. Give them a full season without his shit and they might actually gel into a 'surprise' team. They will be as good as this team this tear was, so at least it isnt a step backwards. if they keep kobe and start trading guys for worse guy they will take a step back. if they trade kobe and get a diamond in the rough they might be better. probably not good enough to be a contender but still good enough to not get embarrassed in the play offs like they have.

    Let Bynum be the man for a year, then with no kobe someone might want to come play in LA with a 'dominant' big man. As long as bynum grows up alittle and shows he isnt a total douche. Lakers have a severe image problem with players around the league. Kobe is a ballhogging dick, Bynum is a childish douchebag, Pau is a lazy euro, Artest is Artest, and the rest of the team sucks. Players arent going to want to play on a team with those sorts of labels.

    I love it because I like seeing the Lakers flounder after so many years of favoritism. And it is easy to point out these obvious things because they will never happen. Kobe will die a laker and as he crashes and burns he will be taking this organization down with him. So that will be fun to watch. had Phil Jackson not come back this would have all started 3 more years ago, but phil came in and game them a boost which in the sort term probably helped but long term may end up being worse for this team.

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    wantitall4moi , you win the Patrick McIrish Poster award

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    I would get rid of Kobe and build off the big men

    You will be surprised they will still be good without him

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    The league screwed the Lakers by blocking the Chris Paul trade. Bynum needs to get away from Kobe, and do his own thing. I think Bryant has stunted his growth.

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    I thought this guy isn't a laker fan, for not being a la fan knows a shyt load about the team... seems angry

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    They gotta look at trading Gasol, no? How about Gasol and McRoberts for Luol Deng and Carlos Boozer? Might make sense for both clubs?

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    some expert.

    he lost his ass betting against the lakers all season. he thought they were a lottery team. instead they won their division and advanced to 2nd round. and probably would have beat okc with better coaching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebbearsfb1 View Post
    I thought this guy isn't a laker fan, for not being a la fan knows a shyt load about the team... seems angry
    I live near LA so it is Lakers talk 24/7 it has been that way for the last 12 years, nothing changes. So you pick up things and watching them (if you have a brain) you also see things. Not being a fan helps you look at things objectively. Biggest mistake lakers made was not letting Kobe leave when he was extorting them. Sure they won two more rings, but had they got rid of him and kept Shaq they probably have 3 or 5 more. They would also have gotten some good free agents to come here in the interim which would still be here now enticing more players to come.

    Kobe is a team killer, sure he is a draw and he has some talent left, but he is a guy NO ONE wants to play with. In the history of the NBA name one 'super star' player people avoided like the plague, especially in a city like Los Angeles like Kobe has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crustyme View Post
    some expert.

    he lost his ass betting against the lakers all season. he thought they were a lottery team. instead they won their division and advanced to 2nd round. and probably would have beat okc with better coaching.
    lost his ass betting against a team that was 31-45 ats on the year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crustyme View Post
    some expert.

    he lost his ass betting against the lakers all season. he thought they were a lottery team. instead they won their division and advanced to 2nd round. and probably would have beat okc with better coaching.
    yeah they were 29-48 ATS (including the play offs) and 24-42 ATS regular season, yeah I lost my ass betting against them

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    Quote Originally Posted by thetrinity View Post
    lost his ass betting against a team that was 31-45 ats on the year?
    ml


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    Quote Originally Posted by crustyme View Post
    ml

    ya cuz this is baseball

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    Quote Originally Posted by crustyme View Post
    ml

    I didnt bet the other side ML every time obviously, but as a favorite Lakers were 28-11 Su in the regular season, and at the best possible odds betting the dog ML would have still been profitable.

    As an away fav is where the money was. Since they sucked on the road it was the most straight forward approach. But even with a better than expected (due to their overall road record) of 6-7 SU as a road fav betting the dogs on the ML was very profitable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thetrinity View Post
    ya cuz this is baseball
    your boyfriend certainly bets like it.

    http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...l#post14794522

    http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...l#post14399650

    there are many many more but i get nauseated reading how smart he is and how much he made fading the lakers.


    but heres a good synopsis of his delusions of grandeur:

    http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...l#post14577002


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    Will Kobe ever get his 6th ring?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wantitall4moi View Post
    Now thatthe Lakers are fianlly done I am sure every talking head getting p[aid to spew their nonsense wil come out and say the things I said back in November about this team....they just arent that good. All year long people were saying how good this team was and how they werent playing up to potential and the usual bullshit that these no nothings talk about during the season trying to explain why a team they over rate isnt performing well.

    So now that they get embarrassed once again and totally blown out in an elimination game people will be looking to figure out what is 'wrong' witht he Lakers. Which they will conclude are the same things I said in November.

    While they did out perform my expectations and make the play offs they werent even as 'good' as I thought they would be. Which basically means other teams I thought would finish ahead of them did worse thatn I thought they would.

    So Lakers are in a worse position (again) than if they had tanked and gotten a lottery pick. Although since they continually trade those picks to get more garbage players I guess it is a moot point anyway.

    So you look at the current Lakers and wonder how do you 'fix' them. Obvious talk will be about Pau getting traded they tried to once and it fell through and no one was willing to opver pay for him. Now he is around 18 mil cheaper so he can now be traded, but who do you tarde him for? He is still better than most, he just suffers from situational issues, as in Kobe being a ball hop and then when they lose blaming these guys for not being 'aggressive' which is hard to do when they dont touch the ball in the 3rd or 4th quarters if lakers are behind because Kobe is trying single handedly to get the lakers back in it.

    Bynum, total head case, but again that could be a situational thing as well. guy can be dominant if he is used correctly, which there were moments this year, but once again any game plan that involves him gets thrown out the window when kobe starts hogging the ball or trying to be the man. He miraculously stayed healthy this year which is a ig upswing especially if they are looking to trade him also.

    Session, clearly what everyone thought he was...garbage. Guy has moments, but he is a professional player he should have a moment now and again, cant play defense for shit and is very limited on the offensive end. Lakers traded Kapono and Walton for him so it is a wash I guess. Getting rid of Waltons salary was the best thing Lakers did this year.

    Eyenga, throw in player with Session to make salaries work, total non factor. inactive for the whole time they had him just about.

    Jordan Hill, Lakers traded their first round pick and Derek Fisher for him. He gave them plenty of minutes and actually played pretty well, but they overpaid for him. He is young and they probably try and keep him a decent utility player, but he isnt lamar Odom (when Odom is right in the head) which is ultimately why they got him, to replace that diversity.

    Blake, garbage always has been always will be ANY guy can shoot the 3 when their open so he is as replaceable as the next white guy from the MAC to come out.

    Matt Barnes, one of the few players worth his salary but he got totally lost as the OKC series went, he didnt even play last night. Just another example of why Mike Brown is a bad coach. But if Lakers are looing for scapegoats he is a good guy because people will want to trade for him.

    Josh Mcroberts, totally MIA the last half of the year when they got those trades from Cleveland, I expect him to be gone as well. He was not good and not sure what they can get for him.

    Troy Murphy, same as Mcroberts except he is 6 years older, both just 2 big nonathletic white guys made to fill and clog the lane, which for the lakers is overkill. Lakers got them because they were cheap and no one else wanted to come to LA.

    Rest of the roster is 1 and 2 year players which never got to play after the first month of the season. Some may be gone who knows and who cars, but rest assured if the Lakers trade them they will flourish somewhere else.

    Common denominator? Kobe. I am interested to see how many of these so called experts come up with the most logical suggestion...trade Kobe and rebuild with what you have. This team played well against a pretty decent schedule when Kobe skipped those 5 or 6 games to rest up. Give them a full season without his shit and they might actually gel into a 'surprise' team. They will be as good as this team this tear was, so at least it isnt a step backwards. if they keep kobe and start trading guys for worse guy they will take a step back. if they trade kobe and get a diamond in the rough they might be better. probably not good enough to be a contender but still good enough to not get embarrassed in the play offs like they have.

    Let Bynum be the man for a year, then with no kobe someone might want to come play in LA with a 'dominant' big man. As long as bynum grows up alittle and shows he isnt a total douche. Lakers have a severe image problem with players around the league. Kobe is a ballhogging dick, Bynum is a childish douchebag, Pau is a lazy euro, Artest is Artest, and the rest of the team sucks. Players arent going to want to play on a team with those sorts of labels.

    I love it because I like seeing the Lakers flounder after so many years of favoritism. And it is easy to point out these obvious things because they will never happen. Kobe will die a laker and as he crashes and burns he will be taking this organization down with him. So that will be fun to watch. had Phil Jackson not come back this would have all started 3 more years ago, but phil came in and game them a boost which in the sort term probably helped but long term may end up being worse for this team.
    So basically...........you were wrong on your prediction about the Lakers being a lottery team and you were wrong in your prediction about specific teams finishing ahead of the Lakers.
    Wrong + wrong = you don't know fukkin shit asswipe.
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    phil jackson was the reason they used to be good... without him they are nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by wantitall4moi View Post
    I didnt bet the other side ML every time obviously, but as a favorite Lakers were 28-11 Su in the regular season, and at the best possible odds betting the dog ML would have still been profitable.

    As an away fav is where the money was. Since they sucked on the road it was the most straight forward approach. But even with a better than expected (due to their overall road record) of 6-7 SU as a road fav betting the dogs on the ML was very profitable.
    Just three days ago you posted this: "These last two games have been an embarrassment, exactly why I stopped betting the NBA 10 years ago". (see post here: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...ied-again.html).

    Get your stories straight you delusional prikk.

    I'm sure you made lots of money betting against the Lakers this season even though you stopped betting the NBA 10 years ago. Although, I'm sure, you made an exception THIS season because it makes your
    stories a little more entertaining.

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    Lakers would have benefited more from the season by being a lottery team, like Wanitmol unsuccessfully predicated. Now they have to think about getting rid of Gasol or Bynum. Parting way with either is a bad choice.

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    smokes right, hard to replace phil jackson, actually impossible unless you got popovich maybe (pipe dream), hes the only other coach id consider great right now.

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    this guy just continues to bury himself with avalanche of lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoulihansTX View Post
    Lakers would have benefited more from the season by being a lottery team, like Wanitmol unsuccessfully predicated. Now they have to think about getting rid of Gasol or Bynum. Parting way with either is a bad choice.
    only if they land a davis in the lottery which wouldve been slim to none. by making the playoffs, buss made additional $20+ million... which he can now spend on upgrading the roster with free agents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoulihansTX View Post
    Lakers would have benefited more from the season by being a lottery team, like Wanitmol unsuccessfully predicated. Now they have to think about getting rid of Gasol or Bynum. Parting way with either is a bad choice.
    ???? So, being a shitbox team (lottery)........and adding a 19 or 20 year old rookie with a pick most likely between 10-14.......to the shitbox lottery team.......with Kobe going in to his 17 season........would make the Lakers better?

    People are pulling shit out of their asses now. Kobe looked amazing last night (he's not the same player he used to be, but he's still very, very good), Bynum is a 24 year old 7 foot 290 pound All Star and finally appears to be healthy, Gasol is Gasol (a seven footer who's solid on most nights.....very, very good on some nights......and doesn't show up for a handful of games per season), and they've got some young guys with potential (lets give Sessions and Jordan Hill a full season with the Lakers and see what comes of these young guys).

    This team should have been up 3-1 going in to last nights game (sure....they choked.....and woulda, coulda, shoulda, but......they should have been up 3-1) and nobody would be panicking. Now, it's blow up the team? Fukk that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Walters View Post

    Just three days ago you posted this: "These last two games have been an embarrassment, exactly why I stopped betting the NBA 10 years ago". (see post here: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...ied-again.html).



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    As a lifelong lakers fan it killed me to wtch these last 4 games. Killed me. The lakers were 2 players away from winning it all this year. They needed a better pg and they needed a couple of bench guys who could give them some minutes while the big 3 sat. They should not have hired Mike Brown either.


    The lakers will have some down years before they rise again. Kupchak will make the right moves. He should not try to put bandages. He needs to give full blown first aid here and blow this shit up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Walters View Post
    ???? So, being a shitbox team (lottery)........and adding a 19 or 20 year old rookie with a pick most likely between 10-14.......to the shitbox lottery team.......with Kobe going in to his 17 season........would make the Lakers better?

    People are pulling shit out of their asses now. Kobe looked amazing last night (he's not the same player he used to be, but he's still very, very good), Bynum is a 24 year old 7 foot 290 pound All Star and finally appears to be healthy, Gasol is Gasol (a seven footer who's solid on most nights.....very, very good on some nights......and doesn't show up for a handful of games per season), and they've got some young guys with potential (lets give Sessions and Jordan Hill a full season with the Lakers and see what comes of these young guys).

    This team should have been up 3-1 going in to last nights game (sure....they choked.....and woulda, coulda, shoulda, but......they should have been up 3-1) and nobody would be panicking. Now, it's blow up the team? Fukk that.
    One or both of those guys will be gone due to Kobe and him still wanting to be the focus of the team. tehy also have alot of trash to sift through like I mentioned....blake, mcroberts, murphy the most obvious.

    Look Lakers werent going to beat the Thunder no matter what, but had they had a better game plan they wouldnt have been embarrassed by them, nor would they have needed the refs to make them look respectable.

    So getting another lottery pick (which Bynum was) would have made a big difference. You think they could have gotten Bynum any other way than a pick? Not frigging hardly. They got lucky, but they are blowing it by not setting him up to be the future, which this year should have been for him, he is still mired in kobes bullshit while showing spurts of domination. But doesnt get to do it consistently enough to hone himself into a GREAT player. You put bynum on a team with a decent point guard and a couple outside shooters and he would be dominant,at least offensively, his defense is mediocre at best but he is big enough to clog the lane.

    Feel free to go watch this team in those few games KObe missed and see how this team kept getting beetr and better and guys got more confident and stopped being afraid to take shots, then look at how that changed when Kobe came back and everyone looked like a Jew in a room Hitler was standing in.

    Only guy not afraid to take a shot (other than Artest) was Fisher, and they traded him away.

    If you guys were actually LAKER fans you would probably get it, but since you dont then it is obvious you arent fans of the team but fans of Kobe. And are too blinded to realize he is doing more harm than good.

    Lebron James could outplay Kobe in massive circles and he still isnt good enough to win a championship with a bunch of scrubs. And you can save the 'he is afraid to take the shot" bullshit. Kobe isnt afraid but he also doesnt make them, so what is the difference? Kobe has tried to do it alone since he started, he has never been able to do it, he has never been the reason they won championships, the fact that everyone gives him the credit is why this team is looking at a very bad future.

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    Why are people still saying trade kobe? He is untradeable so that suggestion means jack shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by riffraff24 View Post
    Why are people still saying trade kobe? He is untradeable so that suggestion means jack shit
    maybe they want him on their team but dont want to admit it, he contributed to each of the 5 championships robin or batman

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    wantitall4moi is a blowhard who incessantly talks out of his ass. See the below link................wantitall gets owned in post #113.

    http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...l#post14830540

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    No joke they should bring back Lamar

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    Wont matter. Lakers can keep Kobe and add Howard / DWill.They still arent beating the Thunder. Thunder probably still a year away from breaking through, but next year and beyond they will be almost unstoppable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Walters View Post
    ???? So, being a shitbox team (lottery)........and adding a 19 or 20 year old rookie with a pick most likely between 10-14.......to the shitbox lottery team.......with Kobe going in to his 17 season........would make the Lakers better?

    People are pulling shit out of their asses now. Kobe looked amazing last night (he's not the same player he used to be, but he's still very, very good), Bynum is a 24 year old 7 foot 290 pound All Star and finally appears to be healthy, Gasol is Gasol (a seven footer who's solid on most nights.....very, very good on some nights......and doesn't show up for a handful of games per season), and they've got some young guys with potential (lets give Sessions and Jordan Hill a full season with the Lakers and see what comes of these young guys).

    This team should have been up 3-1 going in to last nights game (sure....they choked.....and woulda, coulda, shoulda, but......they should have been up 3-1) and nobody would be panicking. Now, it's blow up the team? Fukk that.
    He looked amazing with ZERO assists?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wantitall4moi View Post
    1. Jordan Hill, Lakers traded their first round pick and Derek Fisher for him. He gave them plenty of minutes and actually played pretty well, but they overpaid for him. He is young and they probably try and keep him a decent utility player, but he isnt lamar Odom (when Odom is right in the head) which is ultimately why they got him, to replace that diversity.

    2. Matt Barnes, one of the few players worth his salary but he got totally lost as the OKC series went, he didnt even play last night. Just another example of why Mike Brown is a bad coach. But if Lakers are looing for scapegoats he is a good guy because people will want to trade for him.

    3.Josh Mcroberts, totally MIA the last half of the year when they got those trades from Cleveland, I expect him to be gone as well. He was not good and not sure what they can get for him.

    4. Troy Murphy, same as Mcroberts except he is 6 years older, both just 2 big nonathletic white guys made to fill and clog the lane, which for the lakers is overkill. Lakers got them because they were cheap and no one else wanted to come to LA.

    5. Rest of the roster is 1 and 2 year players which never got to play after the first month of the season. Some may be gone who knows and who cars, but rest assured if the Lakers trade them they will flourish somewhere else.
    1. You really have no idea what you're talking about. 1st off, you think they got Jordan Hill to replace Odom? lol. They didn't even expect him to really play. They did not giev up a 1st round pick for Jordan Hill, they gave up a 1st round pick to get rid of Fishers salary. They didn't 'overpay' for him b/c they weren't even paying for him, they didn't value him as a player. They were paying for someone to pick up Fishers salary. That is ALL that trade was about. Everyone knows that (anyone who has a clue what they're talking about anyway)

    2. Barnes is a free agent and a minimum salary player, so no there are not "people who will want to trade for him"...b/c 1. you can't trade for a free agent unless it's a sign-and-trade and 2. who in the hell is going to work a sign and trade for a minimum salary guy?

    3. Wow. You seriously don't have a clue what you're talking about. Mcroberts is one of the most athletic 4's in the league and a great energy guy. No one who really watches the NBA would dispute that. He didn't play well, but your characterization of him couldn't be more off. Why make up comments about players you have obviously never heard of or seen play? You do realize there are people on here who actually watch?

    4. Murphy and Mcroberts are polar opposites of each other. They are white, and that is literally the ONLY thing they have in common when it comes to basketball. And you have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to McRoberts offseason. He was a sought after role player. The Grizzlies tried 2 years in a row to trade OJ Mayo for him straight up. You probably don't even know who OJ Mayo is though.

    5. Why would a team trade it's 1st and 2nd year plays who are on minimum salary and rookie deals when they are already trying to save money? You have no idea what you're talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wantitall4moi View Post
    One or both of those guys will be gone due to Kobe and him still wanting to be the focus of the team. tehy also have alot of trash to sift through like I mentioned....blake, mcroberts, murphy the most obvious.

    Look Lakers werent going to beat the Thunder no matter what, but had they had a better game plan they wouldnt have been embarrassed by them, nor would they have needed the refs to make them look respectable.

    So getting another lottery pick (which Bynum was) would have made a big difference. You think they could have gotten Bynum any other way than a pick? Not frigging hardly. They got lucky, but they are blowing it by not setting him up to be the future, which this year should have been for him, he is still mired in kobes bullshit while showing spurts of domination. But doesnt get to do it consistently enough to hone himself into a GREAT player. You put bynum on a team with a decent point guard and a couple outside shooters and he would be dominant,at least offensively, his defense is mediocre at best but he is big enough to clog the lane.

    Feel free to go watch this team in those few games KObe missed and see how this team kept getting beetr and better and guys got more confident and stopped being afraid to take shots, then look at how that changed when Kobe came back and everyone looked like a Jew in a room Hitler was standing in.

    Only guy not afraid to take a shot (other than Artest) was Fisher, and they traded him away.

    If you guys were actually LAKER fans you would probably get it, but since you dont then it is obvious you arent fans of the team but fans of Kobe. And are too blinded to realize he is doing more harm than good.

    Lebron James could outplay Kobe in massive circles and he still isnt good enough to win a championship with a bunch of scrubs. And you can save the 'he is afraid to take the shot" bullshit. Kobe isnt afraid but he also doesnt make them, so what is the difference? Kobe has tried to do it alone since he started, he has never been able to do it, he has never been the reason they won championships, the fact that everyone gives him the credit is why this team is looking at a very bad future.
    Without Shaq or Pau, Kobe was seen doing this.


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