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    Richard Clarke is a fraud and only idiots think Bush allowed 911

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m.../28/do2804.xml

    March 28, 2004


    In January 2002, the Enron story broke and the media turned their attention to the critical question: how can we pin this on Bush? As I wrote in this space that weekend: "Short answer: You can't."

    So Enron retreated to the business pages, and, after a while, the media and the Democrats came up with an even better wheeze: how can we pin September 11 on Bush? Same answer: you can't. But that doesn't stop them every month or so from taking a wild ride on defective vehicles for their crazy scheme.

    The latest is a mid-level bureaucrat called Richard Clarke, and by the time you read this his 15 minutes should be just about up. Mr Clarke was Bill Clinton's terrorism guy for eight years and George W Bush's for a somewhat briefer period, and he has now written a book called If Only They'd Listened to Me - whoops, sorry, that should be Against All Enemies: Inside the White House's War on Terror - What Really Happened (Because They Didn't Listen to Me).

    Having served both the 42nd and 43rd Presidents, Clarke was supposed to be the most authoritative proponent to advance the Democrats' agreed timeline of the last decade - to whit, from January 1993 to January 2001, Bill Clinton focused like a laser on crafting a brilliant plan to destroy al-Qa'eda, but, alas, just as he had dotted every "i", crossed every "t" and sent the intern to the photocopier, his eight years was up, so Bill gave it to the new guy as he was showing him the Oval Office - "That carpet under the desk could use replacing. Oh, and here's my brilliant plan to destroy al-Qa'eda, which you guys really need to implement right away."

    The details of the brilliant plan need not concern us, which is just as well, as there aren't any. But the broader point, as The New York Times noted, is that "there was at least no question about the Clinton administration's commitment to combat terrorism".

    Yessir, for eight years the Clinton administration was relentless in its commitment: no sooner did al-Qa'eda bomb the World Trade Center first time round, or blow up an American embassy, or a barracks, or a warship, or turn an entire nation into a terrorist training camp, than the Clinton team would redouble their determination to sit down and talk through the options for a couple more years. Then Bush took over and suddenly the superbly successful fight against terror all went to hell.

    Richard Clarke was supposed to be the expert who could make this argument with a straight face. And, indeed, his week started well. The media were very taken by this passage from his book, in which he alerts Mr Bush's incoming National Security Adviser to the terrorist threat: "As I briefed Rice on al-Qa'eda, her facial expression gave me the impression that she had never heard of the term before, so I added, 'Most people think of it as Osama bin Laden's group, but it's much more than that. It's a network of affiliated terrorist organisations with cells in over 50 countries, including the US.' "

    Mr Clarke would seem to be channelling Leslie Nielsen's deadpan doctor in Airplane!: "Stewardess, we need to get this passenger to a hospital."

    "A hospital? What is it?"

    "It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now."

    As it turns out, Clarke's ability to read "facial expressions" is not as reliable as one might wish in a "counter-terrorism expert". In October the previous year, Dr Rice gave an interview to WJR Radio in Detroit in which she discoursed authoritatively on al-Qa'eda and bin Laden - and without ever having met Richard Clarke!

    I don't know how good Clarke was at counter-terrorism, but as a media performer he is a total dummy. He seemed to think that he could claim the lucrative star role of Lead Bush Basher without anybody noticing the huge paper trail of statements he has left contradicting the argument in his book.

    The reality is that there is a Richard Clarke for everyone. If you are like me and reckon there was an Islamist angle to the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, then Clarke's your guy: he supports the theory that al-Qa'eda operatives in the Philippines "taught Terry Nichols how to blow up the Oklahoma Federal Building".

    On the other hand, if you're one of those Michael Moore-type conspirazoids who wants to know why Bush let his cronies in the House of Saud and the bin Laden family sneak out of America on September 11, then Clarke's also your guy: he is the official who gave the go-ahead for the bigshot Saudis with the embarrassing surnames to be hustled out of the country before they could be questioned.

    Does this mean Clarke is Enron - an equal-opportunity scandal whose explicitly political aspects are too ambiguous to offer crude party advantage? Not quite. Although his book sets out to praise Clinton and bury Bush, he can't quite pull it off. Except for his suggestion to send in a team of "ninjas" to take out Osama, Clinton had virtually no interest in the subject.

    In October 2000, Clarke and Special Forces Colonel Mike Sheehan leave the White House after a meeting to discuss al-Qa'eda's attack on the USS Cole: "'What's it gonna take, Dick?' Sheehan demanded. 'Who the s*** do they think attacked the Cole, f****** Martians? The Pentagon brass won't let Delta go get bin Laden. Does al-Qa'eda have to attack the Pentagon to get their attention?'"

    Apparently so. The attack, on the Cole, which killed 17 US sailors, was deemed by Clinton's Defence Secretary Bill Cohen as "not sufficiently provocative" to warrant a response. You'll have to do better than that, Osama! So he did. And now the same people who claim Bush had no right to be "pre-emptive" about Iraq insist he should have been about September 11.

    As for Clarke's beef with Bush, that's simple. For eight years, he had pottered away on the terrorism brief undisturbed. The new President took it away from him and adopted the strategy outlined by Condoleezza Rice in that Detroit radio interview, months before the self-regarding Mr Clarke claims he brought her up to speed on who bin Laden was: "We really need a stronger policy of holding the states accountable that support him," Dr Rice told WJR. "Terrorists who are just operating out there without basis and without state support are a lot less dangerous than ones that find safe haven, as bin Laden does sometimes in places like Afghanistan or Sudan."

    Just so. In the 1990s when al-Qa'eda blew up American targets abroad, the FBI would fly in and work it as a "crime scene" - like a liquor-store hold-up in Cleveland. It doesn't address the problem. Sure, there are millions of disaffected young Muslim men, but, if they get the urge to blow up infidels, they need training and organisation. Somehow all those British Taliban knew that if you wanted a quick course in jihad studies Afghanistan was the place to go. Bush got it right: go to where the terrorists are, overthrow their sponsoring regimes, destroy their camps, kill their leaders.

    Instead, all the Islamists who went to Afghanistan in the 1990s graduated from Camp Osama and were dispersed throughout Europe, Asia, Australia and North America, where they lurk to this day. That's the Clarke-Clinton legacy. And, if it were mine, I wouldn't be going around boasting about it.

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    I will have a large meat-lovers pizza . I am white so that part should be okay but hold the swastika toppings please.

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    Haha 26 more days of this garbage and it will be done after an Obama presidency and huge dem majority in house/senate maybe people will turn back to true conservatism and losers like ms will disappear, 4 years and 26 days until the next chance America will have to get back to basics and what made this country great

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    LOL
    Quote Originally Posted by Mudcat View Post
    I will have a large meat-lovers pizza . I am white so that part should be okay but hold the swastika toppings please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topgame85 View Post
    Haha 26 more days of this garbage and it will be done after an Obama presidency and huge dem majority in house/senate maybe people will turn back to true conservatism and losers like ms will disappear, 4 years and 26 days until the next chance America will have to get back to basics and what made this country great
    True conservatism?

    Communist Party Endorses Obama

    http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...ses-obama.html

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    I don't support Obama remember MS Iam the Paultard, the point I am making is after the dems destroy the country with spending (which Mccain also would have done but at this point has lost the race) , the 2012 election will open the door for a return to fundamentals and a return to true conservatism as Americans will thirst for it. Obama is better than Mccain but they are both idiots and Mccain is out of touch and wrong on both the economy as well as the wars (foreign policy) for this reason Obama will serve America better by at least getting us out of Iraq and reminding the people that Bush/Mccain are horrible as are the dems and the only way to get back on track is to stop living on fear and to get back to saving money/cutting spending, minding our buisiness around the world , focus on our domestic concerns, and reinstate personal freedoms rather by shrinking the goverment and all its agencies

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    Obama is better than Mccain

    At what? Being a Marxist?

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    For the long term strength of the country Obama is the better choice, just realize that the next 4 years are fvcked anyways and if Obama messes stuff up momentum and voters return to the Republican Party Mccain is not even a real conservative he runs around with Lieberman and those clowns he is not the candidate that republicans even want running, Huckabee or Romney would of been 10x better choices for the party, defending Mccain is a lost cause as is trashing Obama save the energy for 2012 and get a real candidate worth supporting

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    Another BLOG from a Rush Limbaugh wannabe neo-con who leaves out facts such as Clarke serving under Reagan and Bush Sr in another failed attempt to discredit him.

    Richard Clarke warned Bush for 8 straight months and even told him specifics on how they were going to attack and Bush did NOTHING. Then had the audacity to order him to find links to Iraq when there were none. These are facts that no neo-con has ever been able to disprove or discredit. And you failed miserably at it again. Dementia has completely set in.

    You may also want to research the author's background prior to giving your approval. He supported a convict who was found guilty of FRAUD when he embezelled millions from a company. But that's what you neocons are good at.... defending white collar criminals. Speaking of white...... don't you have pizzas to deliver?

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    Mark Steyn is a ****ing idiot.

    I read Mclean's every week, trust me.

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    Another BLOG

    You think the London Telegraph is a blog?

    Richard Clarke was an incompetent hack who Bush had to demote. The author nails him spot on.

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    Mclean's gave Conrad Black a reach around every week.

    His idiot wife writes for the magazine.

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    Yeah isn't it funny how this mentally deranged, racist pizza delivery man posts a BLOG from a neo-con who has no credibility whatsoever of his own. But then he delivers pizzas for a living.

    No wonder he wants gambling banned probably blew his last tips on it.

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    Mark Steyn is a ****ing idiot brilliant columnist, and he hits the nail on the head here.

    The mistake Bush made was not canning the worthless Clarke on day 1.

    Clarke Tipped in the Wrong Direction -- Is warning Osama associates “taking terrorism seriously”?


    http://www.nationalreview.com/commen...0407260119.asp

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    Stick to your day job idiot....... deliverying pizzas to white people and spouting racism on pizza delivery forums.

    Richard Clarke = American HERO

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    Mark Steyn is nothing more than a biased, loyal attack dog.

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    DAGGER KOBE stupid ass kid, I wish you were American, I would kick your ass up and down my street.

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    Only a pizza delivery boy could still support Bush after 8 years. Nobody else is that thick.

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    That's right. Marky only supports CRIMINALS like his buddy Conrad Black and George Bush. Typical neo-con bullshitter like our demented pizza boy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daggerkobe View Post
    Stick to your day job idiot....... deliverying pizzas to white people and spouting racism on pizza delivery forums.

    Richard Clarke = American HERO
    Yeah right

    From the 911 Commission Report:

    Richard Clarke told us that he was concerned about the danger posed by aircraft in the context of protecting the Atlanta Olympics of 1996,the White House complex,and the 2001 G-8 summit in Genoa.

    But he attributed his awareness more to Tom Clancy novels than to warnings from the intelligence community. He did not, or could not, press the government to work on the systemic issues of how to strengthen the layered security defenses to protect aircraft against hijackings or put the adequacy of air defenses against suicide hijackers on the national policy agenda.


    There you have it. His expertise is that he read Tom Clancy novels.

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    Uh-huh, mrrrrm, yeah, how interesting.


    Extra pineapple on that one, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudcat View Post
    I will have a large meat-lovers pizza . I am white so that part should be okay but hold the swastika toppings please.
    :rofl:

    I just called him at 1-800-WHITE-ONLY and ordered the Hitler Special with double swastikas and flaming crosses. I won't tip him.

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    Dagger ur day is coming son

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    Pizza boy is dumber than the cardboard box he assembles to carry his Nazi pizzas in.

    Richard Clarke could have been the White House janitor but that doesn't change the fact he warned Bush for 8 months with specific warnings of imminent attacks and hijackings. What a dumbfvck.

    Hurry up and deliver my pizzas before they get cold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daggerkobe View Post
    Pizza boy is dumber than the cardboard box he assembles to carry his Nazi pizzas in.

    Richard Clarke could have been the White House janitor but that doesn't change the fact he warned Bush for 8 months with specific warnings of imminent attacks and hijackings. What a dumbfvck.

    Hurry up and deliver my pizzas before they get cold.
    Clarke: I just read in Tom Clancy's latest novel....

    Bush: Get the hell out of here, you dumbass.

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    richard clarke held a helluva lot more real jobs than bush did prior to 21000
    and nobody said one bad thing about him till bush did

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanXL977 View Post
    richard clarke held a helluva lot more real jobs than bush did prior to 21000
    and nobody said one bad thing about him till bush did

    Why don't read about him "doing his job" in 1999 before Bush was even around.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/commen...0407260119.asp

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    still waiting for my pizzas. if u don't deliver in an hour I may not tip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ms61853 View Post
    Why don't read about him "doing his job" in 1999 before Bush was even around.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/commen...0407260119.asp
    This website describes itself on google as

    "Up-to-the-minute conservative commentary on politics, news, and culture. Includes both NRO exclusives and articles from the parent print magazine"

    Open your mind and quit reading dishonest desperate biased websites open your eyes to the truth

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    Quote Originally Posted by topgame85 View Post
    This website describes itself on google as

    "Up-to-the-minute conservative commentary on politics, news, and culture. Includes both NRO exclusives and articles from the parent print magazine"

    Open your mind and quit reading dishonest desperate biased websites open your eyes to the truth
    This is not something a "conservative website" made up. It is factual history and is documented in the 911 Commission Report:

    Even after Bin Ladin's departure from the area, CIA officers hoped he might return, seeing the camp as a magnet that could draw him for as long as it was still set up. The military maintained readiness for another strike opportunity. On March 7, 1999, Clarke called a UAE official to express his concerns about possible associations between Emirati officials and Bin Ladin. Clarke later wrote in a memorandum of this conversation that the call had been approved at an interagency meeting and cleared with the CIA. When the former Bin Ladin unit chief found out about Clarke's call, he questioned CIA officials, who denied having given such a clearance. Imagery confirmed that less than a week after Clarke's phone call the camp was hurriedly dismantled, and the site was deserted. CIA officers, including Deputy Director for Operations Pavitt, were irate. 'Mike' (the CIA's Bin Ladin unit chief) thought the dismantling of the camp erased a possible site for targeting Bin Ladin.

    Clarke was a disaster.

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    Fishing Trip to Surf City Pier
    Had never fished a NC pier before, so I played hooky from work at Redneck's Pizza Palace and went to Surf City Pier.

    Got there about 7AM. Fished until around noon, got bottomed, and fished using fresh shrimp. Caught one pinfish, one small whiting, one small bluefish, one negrofish which I threw back, and oh yeah, one crab (this one really did hang on till he was all the way up to the pier and went well with my current 'situation'). Not a productive day.

    About the crabs. I swear I used a cover and he told me he was clean. I started out fishing close to the pier, and evidently that's where the crabs hang out. With in a minute of my line being in the water, I find they have taken all my bait. I finally solved my crab problem by casting away from the pier out into the surf, where the crabs didn't seem to be.

    I had a problem with keeping the shrimp on the hook in general, though. I was constantly having to rebait due to the soft shrimp becoming dislodged in the surf, or snatched away by bait stealers. Next time I go, I think I will use squid or cut bait.

    All in all, it was still better than going to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ms61853 View Post
    True conservatism?

    Communist Party Endorses Obama

    http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...ses-obama.html
    I'm going to go ahead and guess that Stormfront is endorsing McCain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacey View Post
    I'm going to go ahead and guess that Stormfront is endorsing McCain.
    They were endorsing Ron Paul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ms61853 View Post
    They were endorsing Ron Paul.
    I will take your word for it Herr MS

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