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    Quote Originally Posted by JBEX View Post
    royal ascot.. thursday

    go ahead ...grade them


    R1 norfolk stakes g2

    #5 land force (12-1)



    debuts in april and is 3rd by 2.75 lengths¹...

    2nd start 29 days² later breaks maiden..

    back in 14 days stakes race 3rd by 2.5 lengths¹..

    back in 26 days²

    cost 413k and is by probably the hottest first year sire there is whose a son of the overall hottest sire there is scat daddy




    R2 hampton court stakes g3

    #5 key victory (4-1) 4W


    breaks maiden first out at newmarket @ 7f in a 14 horse field ...comes back as a 3yo to win a stakes race at 10f which is pretty impressive for 2nd career start.. tries g1 horses at 10.5f in france and finishes
    8th by 3+ lengths in a 16 horse field which is not a horrible performance...back at 10f vs g3 horses which to me is a perfect spot . out of a dubawi mare (top 2 or 3 most expensive stallion) so might have something to do with his ability



    R3 ribbledale stakes g2

    #8 sarrochi (30-1) 1WP

    galileo ot of an oasis dream mare so big pedigree.. broke maiden first out at 7f in a 16 horse field in ireland.. first attempt as a 3yo in a g3 stakes not good but it was on a heavy track so going to excuse it..they thought enough of her to move forward to a g1 in spite of the bad effort last out but again did nothing.. drops back to a G3 @ 10f in his last start and finishes a decent 4th.. the fact they are going to try a G2 with her off what she's done and it's at 12f intrigues me with her pedigree






    R4 gold cup g1

    #6 vazirabad (9-2)


    R5 britania stakes

    #8 james cook (20-1) 1WP



    R6 king george v handicap

    #13 cassini (12-1) 1WP
    R1 and 4 Placed Pays $7.20

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    Risked $159/Returned $58.70

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    3rd at belmont yesterday

    top 4 odds..

    9.40 winner
    12.2-1(2nd
    2.35-1(3rd
    3-1 (4th

    $440 triple.. should have paid $216
    $1380 super.. should have paid $345

    it's not a denomination mistake.. I've got that right

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBEX View Post
    3rd at belmont yesterday

    top 4 odds..

    9.40 winner
    12.2-1(2nd
    2.35-1(3rd
    3-1 (4th

    $440 triple.. should have paid $216
    $1380 super.. should have paid $345

    it's not a denomination mistake.. I've got that right
    I don’t get it JBex, what is your point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBEX View Post
    3rd at belmont yesterday

    top 4 odds..

    9.40 winner
    12.2-1(2nd
    2.35-1(3rd
    3-1 (4th

    $440 triple.. should have paid $216
    $1380 super.. should have paid $345

    it's not a denomination mistake.. I've got that right
    I get your drift JBEX. But you have to hit them to make it relevant. Otherwise you are just pissing in the wind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrginandtonic View Post
    I don’t get it JBex, what is your point?
    the point is the public bets triples and superfectas VERY
    inefficiently.. everybody always complains (and rightly so)
    about the take in this game.. these bets over the long haul pay enormously more than they should.. to get double or triple the amount you're supposed to with these bets with the right odds configuration is a regular occurrence.. in this case the super paid quadruple what it should have.. handicapping takes a back seat to bet structuring but if you have an opinion on a good price horse use that one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy-Rider 66 View Post
    I get your drift JBEX. But you have to hit them to make it relevant. Otherwise you are just pissing in the wind.
    I may come back and try it but whether I do or not the figure above are real and I've witnessed things like this over a very long period of time.. it's a major shift in how to do things and you really have to commit to it totally.. going to consider a thread on it but it's tougher to do in advance vs closer to post

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBEX View Post
    3rd at belmont yesterday

    top 4 odds..

    9.40 winner
    12.2-1(2nd
    2.35-1(3rd
    3-1 (4th

    $440 triple.. should have paid $216
    $1380 super.. should have paid $345

    it's not a denomination mistake.. I've got that right
    another point about this particular top 4 is you basically surrounded a reasonable longshot (12-1) with 3 horses 7-2 and under.. it's not like a reach combination.. play in the 3rd slot also with the same horses also.. again this is not about handicapping but bet structuring.. when you hit you want to get a lot more than you should and the odds is a good way of determining that at least imo

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    wow didn't realize the 2 was a half to arrogate.. guess that explains the 279 dam production index.. 2 or 3 decent number for that lol

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    added R5 santa anita post 4445

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    added R8 post 4445

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBEX View Post
    belmont


    R4 #3 susan b anthony (9-2) 3WP
    R9 #6 tammany giant (12-1)

    santa anita

    R5

    #2 celturian (10-1) 3W
    #3 jet set ruler (6-1) 2W


    R8

    #5 true testament (2-1) 6W
    Bump

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    the end

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBEX View Post
    the end
    Looks like you are calling it off. I guess the end of the Thread? It was a good ride. Have a feeling you will be back. GL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBEX View Post
    belmont


    R4 #3 susan b anthony (9-2) 3WP
    R9 #6 tammany giant (12-1)

    santa anita

    R5

    #2 celturian (10-1) 3W
    #3 jet set ruler (6-1) 2W


    R8

    #5 true testament (2-1) 6W
    SA R8 scratch Others no good.

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    Risked $174/Returned $58.70 Starting off cold JBEX. But if you come back way too early in the process to draw any conclusions. I remember the contest you played with Hart and I. Think you started off slow there and ended at 90% ROI. Give it some thought. You are due.

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    post
    Last edited by Easy-Rider 66; 06-26-18 at 10:29 AM.

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    GL.
    Last edited by Easy-Rider 66; 06-27-18 at 05:06 PM.

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    it'd get lost in your thread easy (rider) but not here


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    indiana grand... saturday


    R8 Indiana oaks


    #3 harbor lights (6-1)



    R9 indiana derby


    #7 title ready (12-1)

    why the morning linesmaker thinks this horse will be 12-1is a mystery to me



    R10 msw indiana breds


    #9 coins of gold (20-1)

    first time starter and this is another ridiculous morning line.. 6-1 imo ( I understand that this is what he thinks she will go off at and not what he thinks she should be)
    Last edited by JBEX; 07-13-18 at 06:10 PM.

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    belmont


    R4 #2 that's smart (6-1)

    trainer poor over sizeable sample 1st turf and debut..but that should help price along with slow works..might not be well meant but with the way above average pedigree (smart strike out of a stakes winning bernardinI mare) maybe can overcome the other negatives..like that the breeders are the owners vs sold privately as at least there's not the possibility he was dealt cheaply to another party

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    just gonna resume here.. other way a pita and accomplishes little


    keeneland


    R1 #1 time warp (7-2)
    R3 #4 fra mauro (10-1)
    R4 ex box 7 8 11
    R7 #6 pakhet (8-1)
    R8 #7 teletap (4-1)
    Last edited by JBEX; 10-10-18 at 09:53 AM.

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    keeneland

    R1 #1 cassidy avenue (12-1)
    R4 #10 coexistence (7-2)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy-Rider 66 View Post
    Looks like you are calling it off. I guess the end of the Thread? It was a good ride. Have a feeling you will be back. GL.

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    all the excursions out of this thread never last and make things more difficult..as they say kiss

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    keeneland

    R2 #11 interlaken (10-1)
    R4 #3 vomba (8-1)


    R6 #10 beautiful ballad (10-1)


    another fts who cost a bunch relative to her pedigree and this one by one of the best first out sires there is.. working solidly up to this race

    R10 #1 b dubya (20-1)

    no apparent excuse in his last at churchill but I remember this below the radar trainer hit with a bomb already at this short meet using same jockey.. the allowance races at thistledown around 2 turns match up nicely with the 7 furlong clm 20k beaten claimers here


    belmont

    R2 #4 back of the watch (8-1)
    R6 #6 fortin hill (2-1)

    chad has 2 fts in here (other #3) and both are bred off the charts.. but mine cost an absolute fortune relative to his nothing special sire and broodmare info..realize they'll be little value here but going to put that aside here and just play the angle


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    added kee 4 and bel 2

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    finished kee

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    remington park

    R9 #7 way out west (20-1) #4 misdeed (5-1)

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    R7 #4 hawaiian noises (8-1)
    banging on the bongos like a chimpanzee

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    belmont

    R5 #4 power source (5-1)
    R9 #1 let's dance some mo (8-1) #5 burkey's babe (10-1)
    Last edited by JBEX; 10-14-18 at 12:48 PM.

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    finished bel

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBEX View Post
    belmont

    R5 #4 power source (5-1)
    R9 #1 let's dance some mo (8-1) #5 burkey's babe (10-1)
    taken off the turf 45 min prior to post time ..#1 was scratched.. other ran 3rd

    since i'm mentioning this

    R5 winner $16.20

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