[JIBBBY]

GSP is almost 37 years old now and hasn't fought in almost 5 years in the Octagon.. Was a WW now he's heavier and fighting bigger fighters.. GSP says he would beat the GSP of years ago.... Hmmmmm?

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Georges-St-Pierre-3500

[JC2008]

I have a friend who has a friend who trains at Tri-Star, who also reiterated the fact that GSP has lost a few steps... We'll see tonight I guess! You know what you're getting from Bisping at least!

[JIBBBY]

^^ Yep JC, beginning to lean towards Bisping for the win...

[Shagdogy]

I just can't help but think the gas tank is going to fail him. He's not one to finish early so he's going to have to earn this fight through championship rounds and I have my doubts.

Impossible to know for sure. I took small plays on Bis TKO/KO, and GSP decision. More just for fun than anything else. I think the only outcome likely to bust that is a Bisping decision.

[Shagdogy]

There was a card a little while back that was filled with ATT fighters, and if I remember they did pretty well. They had the whole fight camp going, all targeting the same date. Have a similar thing going on with Tristar here. Zahabi, Duffy, GSP. Any others? Wonder if that gives them a little extra?

[JIBBBY]

I just can't help but think the gas tank is going to fail him. He's not one to finish early so he's going to have to earn this fight through championship rounds and I have my doubts.

Impossible to know for sure. I took small plays on Bis TKO/KO, and GSP decision. More just for fun than anything else. I think the only outcome likely to bust that is a Bisping decision.

Maybe, but I don't ever remember GSP gassing out in fights though, he's always in great shape...

All GSP did in past fights years ago is win rounds on points with his wrestling, double leg take downs and top Ground and Pound game...

If GSP lost a step good luck doing that to Bisping whom has pretty good TD defense and whom will be the larger fighter..

If GSP can put Bisping on his back in round 1 and keep him there, I like GSP's chances to win rounds and the fight by decision then..

GSP put very good wrestlers back in the day on their backs...

[Hugo de Naranja]

Gall fastest Sub is (+450)

[JAKEPEAVY21]

thinking along the same lines as you guys about Bisping

given all the question marks surrounding GSP, I have to go against him on the 4 year layoff alone

that said, GSP is the type of athlete and mind that has a better chance than 99% under the same scenario

if GSP wins, I'll tip my cap to him but the bet is on Bisping

[JAKEPEAVY21]

Gall fastest Sub is (+450)

I like that

[JIBBBY]

Gall fastest Sub is (+450)

Safer to just play the Sub prop itself I think... The Brazilians you always have to worry about landing those subs quickly.. Like in the first fight...

1827 Gall wins by submission

+181

[TPowell]

Zahabi by DEC is at +280 now. I can't see him winning any other way to be honest.

[JIBBBY]

Playing the first fight conservatively... Couldn't get a solid read on it.. Hedging big time and just trying to win $50 to start off... Risking $110 to win $50 with this below..

$60.00

$102.00

Pending

11/4/17 7:00pm UFC Fighting 2001 Aiemann Zahabi +170* vs Ricardo Ramos

hedged

$50.00

$110.00

Pending

11/4/17 7:00pm MMA Props Fighting 2031 Ramos wins by submission +220* vs Any other result

[RussianMike]

Not a bad idea Hugo.. Nice thinking outside the box with the props!!!

I'm kinda leaning Bisping finishing GSP if the fight drags on though.. GSP may want out and retire again if he gets into a fire fight and a long drawn out war.... He's been out a very long time now... Fighting is mental and what have you done for me lately.. Ring rust is real too...

Bisping while I think he's a bit over rated these days is battle tested and has been a very active fighter.. He's got some pop to his punches and GSP doesn't have a granite jaw either as he has been rocked and dropped in the past..

Matt Serra lit up GSP..



We all remember this...

Interesting that you put those clips up. Don't know about GSP chin these days, but do have to consider that over such a lengthy career for Bisping, that is pretty much the only clip you could find of him displaying even the slightest bit of lead in his hands. He's game opponent, no doubt, and may overwhelm GSP due to his unfamiliarity back in the octagon. But unless GSP fold mentally, KO will be difficult to imagine. Can see him outworking GSP to a unanimous decision. Think Bisping comes in confident, believing his own hype, and presses this fight for sure. Not sure how GSP plays it.

[TPowell]

Feeling good about this card. Here's what I have

Bisping ML -115 for 0.75 units
Duffy ML -160 for 2 units
Dillashaw ML +165 for 1 unit
Hendricks ML +295 for 0.5 units
Zahabi by DEC +280 for 0.5 units
Harris R1 +110 for 0.5 units
Blaydes/Oliynk GTD +150 for 1 unit
Oliynk R1 +750 for 0.1 units
Blaydes R3 +900 for 0.1 units
Dillashaw +5.5 -130 for 1 unit
Anderson by DEC +195 for 0.75 units
Gall ML -105 for 1 unit
Masvidal/Thompson OVER 2.5 and Walt Harris ML -120 for 1 unit


OVER 5.5 FGTD +166 for 1 unit
OVER 6.5 FGTD +447 for 0.5 units
UNDER 1.5 SUBS +154 for 0.5 units

[TPowell]

Waiting for Hugo and I'm stealing his formatting for the fights

[dlowilly]

GSP is 37 yr old and hasn't fought in almost 4 years, and has come back for the money most likely.

Have to go with The C unt I mean The Count

[Hugo de Naranja]

UFC 217: Bisping vs. St-Pierre Picks:
Ion Cutelaba Round 1 TKO (Punches)
Ricardo Ramos Round 1 Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
Curtis Blaydes Round 3 TKO (Punches)
Mickey Gall Round 2 Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
Corey Anderson Unanimous Decision (30-27, 29-28 x2)
Walt Harris Round 1 KO (Punches)
Joe Duffy Round 1 Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
Paulo Borrachinha Round 1 TKO (Punches)
Stephen Thompson Unanimous Decision (30-27, 29-28 x2)
Joanna Jedrzejczyk Unanimous Decision (50-45, 49-46 x2)
Cody Garbrandt Round 1 TKO (Punches)
Georges St-Pierre Unanimous Decision (49-46 x2, 48-47)

[Hugo de Naranja]

UFC 217: Bisping vs. St-Pierre

Fight Pass Prelims:

Fight #1: Zahabi vs. Ramos
Ramos Submission (+280) 1u

Fight #2: Blaydes vs. Oliynik
Oliynik (+305) 1u
Oliynik Submission (+750) 1u
Oliynik Round 1 (+750) .5u

Hedge(s):
Blaydes Round 2 (+425) .5u
Blaydes Round 3 (+925) .5u

Fox Sports 1 Prelims:

Fight #3: Gall vs. Brown
No Bet

Fight #4: Saint Preux vs. Anderson
Anderson Decision (+220) 1u
Anderson Round 3 (+2000) .25u

Fight #5: Harris vs. Godbeer
Harris+Godbeer Under 1.5 (-125) 1.25u to win 1u

Fight #6: Duffy vs. Vick
Duffy -3.5 (+115) 2u
Duffy Round 1 (+350) .5u
Duffy Submission (+415) .5u
Duffy+Vick Draw (+8500) .2u

Hedge:
Vick Decision (+422) 1u

Main Card:

Fight #7: Borrachinha vs. Hendricks
Borrachinha KO/TKO (-118) 2.36u to win 2u
Borrachinha+Hendricks Under 1.5 (-115) 1.15u to win 1u

Fight #8: Thompson vs. Masvidal
Thompson Decision (+170) 2u

Hedge:
Masvidal KO/TKO (+749) 1u

Fight #9: Jedrzejczyk (C) vs. Namajunas
Jedrzejczyk Unanimous Decision (+145) 3u
Jedrzejczyk Round 3 (+875) .5u
Jedrzejczyk Round 4 (+1250) .25u
Jedrzejczyk Round 5 (+1850) .25u
Jedrzejczyk Submission (+2000) .25u

Hedge(s):
Namajunas Scorecards = No Action (+337) 2u
Namajunas Round 1 (+2400) .25u
Namajunas Round 2 (+2600) .25u

Fight #10: Garbrandt (C) vs. Dillashaw
Garbrandt Decision (+250) 1u
Garbrandt KO/TKO (+260) 2.5u
Garbrandt Unanimous Decision (+335) .5u
Garbrandt Round 1 (+525) .5u
Garbrandt+Dillashaw Draw (+7500) .2u

Hedge(s):
Dillashaw Decision (+275) 1u
Dillashaw Round 4 (+2000) .25u
Dillashaw Round 5 (+2600) .25u

Fight #11: Bisping (C) vs. St-Pierre
St-Pierre (-115) 1.15u to win 1u
St-Pierre -5.5 (+175) 1u
St-Pierre Unanimous Decision (+285) 1u
St-Pierre Unanimous Decision (+330) .5u

Hedge(s):
Bisping Scorecards = No Action (-125) 2.5u to win 2u
Bisping ITD (+300) .5u
Bisping Round 1 (+650) .5u
Bisping Round 4 (+1850) .25u
Bisping Round 5 (+2650) .25u

Straight Parlays:
Cutelaba/Duffy (+102) 2u
Duffy/Borrachinha (+129) 1u
Thompson+Masvidal GD/Jedrzejczyk+Namajunas O3.5 (+140) 2u
Borrachinha/Jedrzejczyk/Thompson/Garbrandt (+405) 1u

Prop Parlays:
Duffy Scorecards = No Action/Jedrzejczyk -5.5 (+122) 3u
Thompson/Jedrzejczyk Decision/Garbrandt ITD (+677) .25u
Ramos+Zahabi WGD/Blaydes+Oliynik WGD/Gall Submission (+762) .25u
Anderson/Harris+Godbeer U1.5/Duffy/Borrachinha+Hendricks U1.5 (+1051) .25u

Full Card Props:
Over 5.5 Fights Go Distance (+152) 1.25u
Garbrandt+Dillashaw FOTN (+225) 1u
Over 6.5 Fights Go Distance (+425) .5u
Borrachinha Fastest KO (+425) 1u
Gall Fastest Sub (+450) 1.5u
Over 7.5 Fights Go Distance (+1368) .25u

Multi-Event Parlays:
None

[JIBBBY]

Interesting that you put those clips up. Don't know about GSP chin these days, but do have to consider that over such a lengthy career for Bisping, that is pretty much the only clip you could find of him displaying even the slightest bit of lead in his hands. He's game opponent, no doubt, and may overwhelm GSP due to his unfamiliarity back in the octagon. But unless GSP fold mentally, KO will be difficult to imagine. Can see him outworking GSP to a unanimous decision. Think Bisping comes in confident, believing his own hype, and presses this fight for sure. Not sure how GSP plays it.

Bisping had Anderson Silva rocked a few times.. Then again Spiders chin is shot too.. Bisping does punch like a little girl but he has either rocked or dropped 2 of his last 3 opponents..... Is what it is...http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Michael-Bisping-10196



The chin can start to go in your late 30's... We saw that with another UFC veteran legend in Chuck Liddell.. There's been others too.. GSP could possibly get dropped late in this fight? You never know?

[JIBBBY]

Here we go, GOOD LUCK EVERYONE!! Get that money!!!

[Shagdogy]

Ramos -130, 3u
Borrachinha -210, 3u
Duffy -180, 3u
Gall -105, 1.5u
Bisping TKO +315, .5u
GSP decision +200, .5u (will record these two as one bet. W if I cash, L if I don't)
Borrachinha/Duffy/Anderson +367, .5u

I want action on Garbrandt I just don't like where the line has gone. Will see if I add anything. Good luck everyone! PUMPED for this card.

[Hugo de Naranja]

Ramos -130, 3u
Borrachinha -210, 3u
Duffy -180, 3u
Gall -105, 1.5u
Bisping TKO +315, .5u
GSP decision +200, .5u (will record these two as one bet. W if I cash, L if I don't)
Borrachinha/Duffy/Anderson +367, .5u

I want action on Garbrandt I just don't like where the line has gone. Will see if I add anything. Good luck everyone! PUMPED for this card.

Looks like we're on lots of the same. GL Brother!

[Shagdogy]

Zahabi looks his best physically that I've seen.

[Hugo de Naranja]

I think Ramos is the same height as Johny Hendricks lol

[Shagdogy]

Tough round to score

[Shagdogy]

Ramos has the edge in every scramble. Force some scrambles!

[TPowell]

+280 would be a good start. Need Zahabi to keep that crisp striking together and stay AWAY from the scrambles.

[Hugo de Naranja]

"Early Stoppage"
-Zahabi bettors

[Hugo de Naranja]

Tough round to score

Nice hit bud!

[TPowell]

and Ramos lands some crazy BS to win. penetrate me

[JIBBBY]

Elbow from hell damn!!! Zahabi was winning that fight too.. I thought he was gonna win by decision.. One good shot always changes a fight... I think we were all thinking Sub and not KO..

Ramos is tough, I'm gonna remember this... I didn't like this fight to bet on and tried to hedge it conservatively and still lost.. LOL.. Down $110 and another slow start.. Errr!!

Blayeds by decision next for me...

[Demonata]

Habits you stupid ducking count gagging winning and then that stupid shot you ducking chum bucket maggot tuck face jazz face

[JIBBBY]

Habits you stupid ducking count gagging winning and then that stupid shot you ducking chum bucket maggot tuck face jazz face

You drunk already Dem? You gonna make it to the main event? ...

[JIBBBY]

Ramos -130, 3u
Borrachinha -210, 3u
Duffy -180, 3u
Gall -105, 1.5u
Bisping TKO +315, .5u
GSP decision +200, .5u (will record these two as one bet. W if I cash, L if I don't)
Borrachinha/Duffy/Anderson +367, .5u

I want action on Garbrandt I just don't like where the line has gone. Will see if I add anything. Good luck everyone! PUMPED for this card.

That was the way to bet it.. Good work on the 3 units Shag!!!! Great call...

[Shagdogy]

That was the way to bet it.. Good work on the 3 units Shag!!!! Great call...

Thanks! I feel fortunate. Not the way I saw it going but I will take it.