[the1yankee]

Lol okay buddy. I'm not the one yelling at strangers on the internet because I lost money. Enjoy your shitty attitude and life.

Maybe he needs his blankee n a bottle, maybe a shiny new bmx bike?

[Kermit]

Shag Chiesa wasn't even fighting the hands and Chiesa's hands were ready to tap and floating.... That choke was under the chin and the body triangle was in as well..

Watch it closely as I even think the ref made the right call... I don't care what everyone is saying on the UFC panel.. That choke was deep and Chiesa was a second or two away from tapping or going out..

I know my money was on Lee but I'm not being Bias here.. I'll call it as I see it win or lose..


Chiesa was done.. Ref could have let him go out though..

Agree. I wanted Mike to win, but that shit was over.

[firekillex]

lol people saying chiesa was done 100% when literally 2 fights before herrig had a full blown rear naked choke and the girl got out... and he was clearly fighting the hands hence Lee changing his grip on the choke

it was highly highly likely he was going to finish him there but thats not the point, he didnt tap and he didnt go lights out.... so the ref was wrong

[Kermit]

Not disputing that this was an early stoppage but I think Steve Mazzagatti was the ref Dana always criticized, not Mario Yamasaki

You are correct.

[firekillex]

You are correct.

actually dana white has criticized mario yamaski multiple times and said him and steve are the shittiest refs in MMA
we need more big johns, herb deans and that josh guy who was locked up for weed

[Kermit]

lol people saying chiesa was done 100% when literally 2 fights before herrig had a full blown rear naked choke and the girl got out... and he was clearly fighting the hands hence Lee changing his grip on the choke

it was highly highly likely he was going to finish him there but thats not the point, he didnt tap and he didnt go lights out.... so the ref was wrong

Yeah, the girl got out. And she also wasn't waving her hands in a motion like she was finished.

Mike was ready to tap out or go unconscious. I've watched the replay 20 times and Chiesa was finished.

Phantom/Fake tap and then he complained about the stoppage. Lee was the clear winner.

[firekillex]

yup every mma analyst and fighter saying it was BS must have an invalid opinion
watch the herrig fight again her opponent almost tapped multiple times ,joke of a referee

like i said Lee was probably going to finish the fight but its irrelevant he didnt tap or go out , not a hard concept to grab

[Kermit]

yup every mma analyst and fighter saying it was BS must have an invalid opinion
watch the herrig fight again her opponent almost tapped multiple times ,joke of a referee

like i said Lee was probably going to finish the fight but its irrelevant he didnt tap or go out , not a hard concept to grab

No every MMA guy didn't say it was invalid. Did you watch the post fight show?

He went from fighting the choke to giving up. If the stoppage was early, it was only by a couple a seconds.

[firekillex]

No every MMA guy didn't say it was invalid. Did you watch the post fight show?

He went from fighting the choke to giving up. If the stoppage was early, it was only by a couple a seconds.

https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/6/26/15871340/ufc-fight-night-112-in-tweets-pros-react-to-kevin-lee-vs-michael-chiesa-more


https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/6/2...hiesa-stoppage

[Kermit]

https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/6/2...el-chiesa-more

The only one who got robbed is Kevin Lee, because he didn't get to properly finish Mike Chiesa. And now he'll have to hear the excuses about an early stoppage until they have a rematch.

[Kermit]

Did you actually read all of those tweets? Some pros said that the stoppage was legit.

When a fighter goes from fighting a choke to noodle hands, you can't blame the ref for thinking he might be out.

[firekillex]

The only one who got robbed is Kevin Lee, because he didn't get to properly finish Mike Chiesa. And now he'll have to hear the excuses about an early stoppage until they have a rematch.

its pretty obvious you cant think another way so think what youd like
if you ever rolled youd know people can get out of that position , its a hail mary but theres still a chance and he got that taken away from him early ... mario yamasaki is dogshit im not sure what youre even trying to debate? Kevin Lee probably would have won but he landed illegal blows and won without a tap or finish aka garbage...

i actually like kevin lee as a fighter but there will always be an asterisk beside that W

[firekillex]

Did you actually read all of those tweets? Some pros said that the stoppage was legit.

nice the one guy derek brunson out of 20 fighters who said it was shit lmao
not even gonna debate with you anymore if you thought that was legit you dont know mma

[Kermit]

nice the one guy derek brunson out of 20 fighters who said it was shit lmao
not even gonna debate with you anymore if you thought that was legit you dont know mma

Sorry you lost your money 2 seconds sooner than you would have.

[Kermit]

If he was ok, then he should have gave the thumbs up like we usually see fighters do. But instead he went to noodle hands.

[Kermit]

I also didn't realize that girl that fought Felice shit herself in the cage.




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[Hugo de Naranja]

UFC Fight Night 112: Chiesa vs. Lee Picks:
Joshua Stansbury Split Decision (29-28 x2, 28-29)
Tony Martin Round 1 Submission (Kimura)
Jared Gordon Unanimous Decision (30-27, 29-28 x2)
Darrell Horcher Unanimous Decision (30-26 x2, 30-27)
Carla Esparza Unanimous Decision (30-27 x2, 29-28)
Marvin Vettori Round 1 Submission (Guillotine Choke)
Erik Koch Round 1 TKO (Punches)
Dennis Siver Unanimous Decision (30-27 x2, 29-28)
Tim Means Round 3 TKO (Knees and Punches)
Dominick Reyes Round 1 [T]KO (Head Kick)
Justine Kish Unanimous Decision (29-28 x3)
Johny Hendricks Unanimous Decision (30-27 x2, 29-28)
Kevin Lee Round 2 Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)

[Hugo de Naranja]

UFC Fight Night 112: Chiesa vs. Lee

Fight Pass Prelims:

Fight #1: Stansbury vs. Kimball
No Bet

Result: Jeremy Kimball Round 1 TKO (Punches)

Fight #2: Martin vs. Case
Martin -3.5 (+165) -2u
Martin+Case Under 2.5 (+200) -1.5u
Martin ITD (+312) -.5u

Result: Tony Martin Unanimous Decision (29-28 x3)
Fight: -4u
Card: -4u

Fight #3: Gordon (DEBUT) vs. Quinones (DEBUT)
No Bet

Result: Jared Gordon Round 2 TKO (Punches)

Fox Sports 1 Prelims:

Fight #4: Horcher vs. Powell
Horcher+Powell Under 2.5 (+130) -1u
Horcher Round 3 (+1175) -.25u

Result: Darrell Horcher Split Decision (29-28 x2, 28-29)
Fight: -1.25u
Card: -5.25u

Fight #5: Esparza vs. Moroz
Esparza -3.5 (+160) +1.6u

Hedge:
Moroz Submission (+650) -.5u

Result: Carla Esparza Unanimous Decision (30-27, 29-28 x2)
Fight: +1.1u
Card: -4.15u

Fight #6: Vettori vs. Miranda
Vettori Submission (+325) -1u

Added:
Vettori Submission (+210) -1u

Hedge:
Miranda KO/TKO (+842) -.5u

Result: Marvin Vettori Unanimous Decision (30-27 x2, 29-28)
Fight: -2.5u
Card: -6.65u

Fight #7: Guida vs. Koch
Koch+Guida Under 2.5 (+130) -2u
Koch KO/TKO (+390) -.5u

Hedge:
Guida (+260) +2.6u

Result: Clay Guida Unanimous Decision (30-26, 29-26, 29-28)
Fight: +.1u
Card: -6.55u

Main Card:

Fight #8: Siver vs. Penn
Siver -3.5 (+125) -1u
Siver Decision (+205) +1.025u

Result: Dennis Siver Majority Decision (29-27, 29-28, 28-28)
Fight: +.025u
Card: -6.525u

Fight #9: Means vs. Garcia
Means Round 2 (+325) -1u
Means Submission (+850) -.25u
Means Round 3 (+975) -.5u
Means+Garcia Goes Distance (+400) +3u

Hedge:
Garcia Decision (+1150) -.25u

Result: Tim Means Unanimous Decision (29-28 x3)
Fight: +1u
Card: -5.525u

Fight #10: Christensen vs. Reyes (DEBUT)
Reyes KO/TKO (+120) +1.2u

Result: Dominick Reyes Round 1 TKO (Punches)
Fight: +1.2u
Card: -4.325u

Fight #11: Herrig vs. Kish
Kish Decision (+165) -1u
Kish Round 3 (+1725) -.25u

Hedge:
Herrig ITD (+850) -.25u

Result: Felice Herrig Unanimous Decision (30-26 x2, 29-27)
Fight: -1.5u
Card: -5.825u

Fight #12: Hendricks vs. Boetsch
Hendricks -3.5 (+115) -2u

Hedge(s):
Boetsch KO/TKO (+590) +2.95u
Boetsch Round 3 (+1750) -.25u

Added:
Hendricks KO/TKO (+351) -.5u

Result: Tim Boetsch Round 2 TKO (Head Kick and Punches)
Fight: +.2u
Card: -5.625u

Fight #13: Chiesa vs. Lee
Chiesa+Lee Won’t Start Round 3 (+122) +1.22u
Lee Submission (+470) +4.7u
Lee Round 2 (+700) -.5u

Hedge:
Chiesa Round 2 (+650) -.5u

Result: Kevin Lee Round 1 Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
Fight: +4.92u
Card: -.705u

Straight Parlays:
Horcher/Means (-105) +1.95u
Martin/Siver (+145) +2.9u

Results: See Above
Fights: +4.85u
Card: +4.145u

Prop Parlays:
Horcher -3.5/Vettori -3.5 (+140) -2u
Reyes ITD/Horcher -3.5 (+156) -1u
Horcher -3.5/Esparza -3.5/Vettori -3.5 (+483) -.5u
Koch+Guida WGD/Siver/Reyes ITD (+517) -.5u
Kish/Hendricks -3.5/Lee (+669) -.5u
Stansbury/Martin Decision/Gordon (+675) -.25u

Results: See Above
Fights: -4.75u
Card: -.605u

Full Card Props:
Over 7.5 Fights Go Distance (+194) +2.425u
Over 8.5 Fights Go Distance (+493) -.5u
Over 9.5 Fights Go Distance (+1404) -.25u
Martin+Case FOTN (+1000) +0u

Results: 8 Decisions, No FOTN
Fights: +1.675u
Final Card Total = +1.07u

Multi-Event Parlays:
Davis+Bader Over 4.5/Horcher (+102) +1.02u

Result: Horcher Wins
Fight: +1.02u
Multi-Event Parlays = +1.02u

[Hugo de Naranja]

Grinded out a tiny profit of +2.09u between pre-bets and multi-event parlays. Glad to end up in the black after Horcher and Martin failed to cover the points spreads early. Would have been a much bigger night if Horcher had won the third round as I had Horcher -3.5 in multiple parlays where all other legs won.

[travis91]

Kevin Lee made that look easy, kid is electric, well rounded, and will be lightweight champ here soon. Look forward to following his career

[Demonata]

I just got out on bail after throwing the stool through the window friday night at the bar after losing on Michael chandler in bellator. Wasn't able to bet any of these fights. Just saw the chiesa replay. Worst ref ever. Chiesa was fine and wide awake. Was just letting lees arms burn out. Lee betters got licky and chiesa would have won the decision or choked him out.

[Thor4140]

Yeah, the girl got out. And she also wasn't waving her hands in a motion like she was finished.

Mike was ready to tap out or go unconscious. I've watched the replay 20 times and Chiesa was finished.

Phantom/Fake tap and then he complained about the stoppage. Lee was the clear winner.

i thought Chiesa was out. I thought it was a good call when i watched it but the mire fact the way he jumped up after the choke was released makes me think he might have been in a position where he could have lasted it out. All Chiesa needed to do was put a thumbs up so he should get a little blame here. If the refs waits and Chiesa passes out people would be giving this ref shit for letting his opponent hold on to the choke to long. It is what it is.

[Thor4140]

No every MMA guy didn't say it was invalid. Did you watch the post fight show?

He went from fighting the choke to giving up. If the stoppage was early, it was only by a couple a seconds.

i don't know Frog man. U get up like that after a choke like that, i don't think the choke was working to well. He got up like the choke wasn't even on him.

[yisman]

clearly an early stoppage there

and then Lee gets Performance of the Night? C'mon.

[Thor4140]

not gonna read all the threads here but will say this. Time for Dana to step in and demand BJ retire like he did with Liddel. He knocks Siver down. Does nothing on top but throw a few punches when Siver first fell, and he gassed himself out? I thought Siver looked pretty decent for being off the roids this fight but did he look good cause BJ was that bad? I thought BJ had money and his family was rich. Why would he possibly still want to fight? He has nothing left.

[travis91]

I just got out on bail after throwing the stool through the window friday night at the bar after losing on Michael chandler in bellator. Wasn't able to bet any of these fights. Just saw the chiesa replay. Worst ref ever. Chiesa was fine and wide awake. Was just letting lees arms burn out. Lee betters got licky and chiesa would have won the decision or choked him out.

are you blind? you've got to be a big chiesa fan.... 5 seconds longer and he's unconscious. When the ref stopped it you see chiesa hands just dangling, he's going to sleep.

[JIBBBY]

I just got out on bail after throwing the stool through the window friday night at the bar after losing on Michael chandler in bellator. Wasn't able to bet any of these fights. Just saw the chiesa replay. Worst ref ever. Chiesa was fine and wide awake. Was just letting lees arms burn out. Lee betters got licky and chiesa would have won the decision or choked him out.

That Chandler loss was a killer, can't blame ya for throwing chair thru the window, I loaded up on Chandler in that Bellator fight also.. That ankle was toast though. ..

You're wrong about Chiesa though.. Lee was destroying him and would have choked him into unconsciousness if the ref let it go.. He was done.. I don't care what he says either... He wasn't defending and was in the body triangle with alot time left on the clock.. He was going anywhere but to sleep..

[Demonata]

are you blind? you've got to be a big chiesa fan.... 5 seconds longer and he's unconscious. When the ref stopped it you see chiesa hands just dangling, he's going to sleep.

You obviously have never fought or trained in mma. I've even learned that while I've trained. First you fight the hands and if they adjust wirk on moving your body to make the choke a little lose then make his arms gas out.if they have to adjust then it usually means you can handle the choke so you ride it out. I'm not a big chiesa fan and was not even able to bet the fight since I was in jail. There's no rule that your hands are not allowed to dangle. Also its mma and chiesa has been in worse positions. Anyone that believes the refs stoppage was valid obviously don't know the rules of the referee.

[JIBBBY]

Well, lost $400 on Bellator the night before and won around $400 on this UFC event.. Funny how that worked out.. This weekend of MMA was pretty much a wash for me.. I'll take it after being down from the Bellator event.. I get thru this weekend untouched basically..

Was hit and miss all night with this event but closed out strong with the Boetsch KO prop and Kevin Lee straight wins.. Siver over BJ was big also..

Next.....

[Demonata]

That Chandler lose was a killer, can't blame ya for throwing chair thru the window, I loaded up on Chandler in that Bellator fight also... ..

You're wrong about Chiesa though.. Lee was destroying him and would have choked him into unconsciousness if the ref let it go.. He was done.. I don't care what he says either... He wasn't defending and was in the body triangle with alot time left on the clock.. He was going anywhere but to sleep..

Yeah I didnt bet chandler straight but had him in a parlay with mitrione. I would of been fine if he got upset in the fight and lost but for him to injure himself for me to lose after already losing phil davis and lorenz larkin it was the last straw. I worked it out with the owner and all I'm going to have to do is pay for damages. No prison time, thank god. Just drunk and pissed off and losing money bad combo for anger lol. In.my opinion kish was in a worse position than.chiesa on the choke and she got oit of it and I've seen tons of fighters get out of worse chokes so stopping that early was wrong.I didnt even get a chance to bet the fight and I'm still pissed off.

[JIBBBY]

You obviously have never fought or trained in mma. I've even learned that while I've trained. First you fight the hands and if they adjust wirk on moving your body to make the choke a little lose then make his arms gas out.if they have to adjust then it usually means you can handle the choke so you ride it out. I'm not a big chiesa fan and was not even able to bet the fight since I was in jail. There's no rule that your hands are not allowed to dangle. Also its mma and chiesa has been in worse positions. Anyone that believes the refs stoppage was valid obviously don't know the rules of the referee.

I've trained and I'll tell you when Lee adjusted the choke and finally clinched both hands together and really started to squeeze Cheisa was going out.. It was tightening up at the very end there, Cheisa hands were floating at that point and it even looked like he was tapping lightly as he was going out..

Ref could have let it go but the result would have been the same.. Look when Lee chinches the hands and then really begins to squeeze that choke right before the stoppage. That was tight and under the chin.. He wasn't getting out of that..

[Shagdogy]

Horcher -320, 4u
Horcher Dec -125, 1u
Koch -263, 3u
Kimball/Stansbury o1.5, 2u
Kimball +135, 1.5u
Penn +200, 1u
Case +120, 1u
Means KO/TKO or Garcia Dec -266, 2.66u (Total investment is 2.66u and either outcome nets 1u, so just counting it as one bet -266)

Got a lot going here. Been mucking around small wins/small losses for a while. Would like a decent night here. Should be a good card at least. Good luck everyone.

Card Total: 3-5, -5.59u

2017 YTD: 55-45, +10.10u

Running quite cold lately... Wanna turn it around for the next two. Gonna be out in Vegas for UFC 213 weekend. Pumped.

[JIBBBY]

not gonna read all the threads here but will say this. Time for Dana to step in and demand BJ retire like he did with Liddel. He knocks Siver down. Does nothing on top but throw a few punches when Siver first fell, and he gassed himself out? I thought Siver looked pretty decent for being off the roids this fight but did he look good cause BJ was that bad? I thought BJ had money and his family was rich. Why would he possibly still want to fight? He has nothing left.

BJ isn't fighting for the money, he's fighting because he wants to and has nothing else going on in life.. He was game in that second round and won it.. Round 3 he faded quickly and gassed out..

BJ should fight in Bellator as he may pick up a few wins if he still wants to fight. UFC is way talent rich for BJ now..

[Demonata]

I've trained and I'll tell you when Lee adjusted the choke and finally clinched both hands together and really started to squeeze Cheisa was going out.. It was tightening up at the very end there, Cheisa hands were floating at that point and it even looked like he was tapping lightly as he was going out..

Ref could have let it go but the result would have been the same.. Look when Lee chinches the hands and then really begins to squeeze that choke right before the stoppage. That was tight and under the chin.. He wasn't getting out of that..

what mma gym.you train at?I always learned at absolute mma there's always back up plans. You fight until you tap or pass out when getting choked. Anyonethat thinks what the ref did was fine or that chiesa hasn't been in worse positions and got out has not followed him. Nope if you really are getting choked out you can't stand up that fast. It's obvious that he was wide awake and letting his opponent burn his arms out.

[JIBBBY]

Here is how I'm playing the card..

1 - Kimball by KO/hedge Stansbury by sub
2- Case ITD, hedged Martin by sub
3 - Gordan straight
4- Horcher by dec/hedge Powell ITD
5- Esparza by dec/hedge Moroz by sub
6- Miranda KO/hedge Vettori by sub
7- Kock by sub and ITD/Small hedge for ins only Guida by dec
8 - Siver straight large
9- Means ITD/hedged ins only Garcia ITD
10- Reyes by KO
11- Kish by dec
12 - Hendricks straight and ITD/ big hedge with Boetsch by KO
13- Kevin Lee straight large..

Good luck fellas..

I had my share of losses on this event, but unlike the Bellator event where I lost my big bets, I hit the big ones in this UFC event.. I'm to lazy to post all my plays but these 4 highlighted above and posted below were some of my biggest plays and they all hit and saved me.. I did finish strong so I can't complain..

$290.00

$200.00

Win

6/25/17 9:00pm UFC Fighting 1502 Dennis Siver -145* vs BJ Penn

$102.00

$100.00

Win

6/25/17 10:00pm MMA Props Fighting 1333 Reyes wins by TKO/KO -102* vs Any other result

$100.00

$665.00

Win

6/25/17 11:00pm MMA Props Fighting 1129 Boetsch wins by TKO/KO +665* vs Any other result

$390.00

$300.00

Win

6/25/17 11:30pm UFC Fighting 1002 Kevin Lee -130* vs Mike Chiesa