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    FanDuel Grading Question

    Guys I need input. I placed a wager on the first half of the UAE Tajikistan match as Tajikistan -1 in a three way spread no push. It stated in prop “if match result is exactly the spread, ‘handicap tie’ will be settled as a winner”

    The score at halftime was Tajikistan 2 UAE 1. My wager was graded as a loss? Am I wrong to question the grading of this ticket?

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    did u bet when it was 0-0?

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    i think you needed tajik to win by 2. i think draw was the winner.
    was it huge odds?

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    Score was 2-1 when I bet Taj. Odds to bet Taj was +100 as it didn’t state current score line in the bet. Seems the bet is a gray area when ruling.

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    oh. Tajikstan -1 @ +100 is confusing... Are you sure it wasnt Taj +1?

    In any case, they went onto concede 2 more goals, without scoring, so i dont see how you win that.

    but somebody else should be able to help.

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    It was a first half spread bet. Not a full game bet. Confusing to say the least.

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    yeh sorry I misread that. but for +100 on tajik, im not sure what u needed to happen.
    Another tajik goal before ht would have been +500, UAE didnt score another to ruin you... so ive no idea,

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    Quote Originally Posted by cashin81 View Post
    yeh sorry I misread that. but for +100 on tajik, im not sure what u needed to happen.
    Another tajik goal before ht would have been +500, UAE didnt score another to ruin you... so ive no idea,
    Thanks cashin 👍🏻

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    Its Eurpean Handicap not Asain so if you are on -1 or +1 and its 1-0 its consdered a handicap draw. Not sure why a USA based compay does that as it is confusing but that result graded is correct

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlekona View Post
    Its Eurpean Handicap not Asain so if you are on -1 or +1 and its 1-0 its consdered a handicap draw. Not sure why a USA based compay does that as it is confusing but that result graded is correct
    Tajikstan were 11/1 dogs, the line wasnt for them to win by 2.

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    Right Taj was massive underdogs so at +100 seems like the wrong line if I was betting the current score at 2-1 when I placed it. One of the first issues I’ve had with legal betting in Tennessee so we will see what their response is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cashin81 View Post
    Tajikstan were 11/1 dogs, the line wasnt for them to win by 2.
    Not sure what deal was but looking at my FanDuel the bet was a European handicap and -1 or +1 with score of 1-0 in 3 way the draw wins...it explains it in the bet details

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volvader View Post
    Right Taj was massive underdogs so at +100 seems like the wrong line if I was betting the current score at 2-1 when I placed it. One of the first issues I’ve had with legal betting in Tennessee so we will see what their response is.
    I don't know about the odds, but what LittleKona said is correct about a -1 soccer line in a 3 way market.

    It's a European Handicap market and a margin of 1 to the faves means the Draw option wins.


    Maybe post your ticket and we will be able to work this out completely?

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    Tajikistan scored to go up by 1 goal 9 mins into the match.

    13 mins into the match Bet365 posted a handicap line of Tajikistan -1 +135 (can't tell if Asian or Euro line)

    http://data.nowgoal1.com/3in1odds/8_1949713.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    I don't know about the odds, but what LittleKona said is correct about a -1 soccer line in a 3 way market.

    It's a European Handicap market and a margin of 1 to the faves means the Draw option wins.


    Maybe post your ticket and we will be able to work this out completely?
    Tajikstan were never the favs, they were never -1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cashin81 View Post

    Tajikstan were never the favs, they were never -1.
    Are you sure?

    The OP posted that he bet Tajikistan -1

    I see B365 with a -1 handicap posted 13 mins into the match at the link I posted.


    Don't know WTF going on with odds here. Linked to soccer forum for extra input.

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    I can’t post a picture of my ticket.

    Was the 39th minute of the first half with Tajikistan leading 2-1.

    I bet the 1st half 3 way spread. Taj -1 on the odds was +100.

    Usually in theses bets it post the current score handicap but nothing is posted.

    As it read on the prop was

    “If match result is exactly the spread, ‘Handicap tie’ will be settled as a winner.

    I am reading that prop as Taj -1 or better to end the half as a win right?


    No where does it state that it is the current score and score would have to be 3-1 in order for it to be graded a winner?

    FanDuel support even seemed confused

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    so you needed something to happen in 6 mins for +100...
    if nothing happened in 6 mins you lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volvader View Post
    I can’t post a picture of my ticket.

    Was the 39th minute of the first half with Tajikistan leading 2-1.

    I bet the 1st half 3 way spread. Taj -1 on the odds was +100.

    Usually in theses bets it post the current score handicap but nothing is posted.

    As it read on the prop was

    “If match result is exactly the spread, ‘Handicap tie’ will be settled as a winner.

    I am reading that prop as Taj -1 or better to end the half as a win right?


    No where does it state that it is the current score and score would have to be 3-1 in order for it to be graded a winner?

    FanDuel support even seemed confused

    I know its confusing as this stung me once before but the handicap tie is -1 or +1 as its a euro handicap so only way your bet wins if it wins by two and the other side +1 if it is a draw or that team wins a 2-1 score mans that the DRAW wins. if it was asian it would be differnt it would push

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    Tajikistan to win by 2 or more, when they were 1-2 up would have been +800ish

    he also says he bet first half only, which makes it +20000

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    With this definition if match result is exactly the spread, ‘handicap tie’ will be settled as a winner” your 3-way -1 bet is basicaly a -0.5 asian handicap bet for the rest of the first half

    But +100 does not seem correct with only 6 minutes left in the first half
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    B365 odds from time Tajiks went ahead 2-1 until half time


    Last edited by Optional; 11-12-20 at 04:16 PM.

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    not sure what that is proving, yes with 6 mins to go they were 1.05 to lead half time.

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    It was confirming this claim was wrong... to rule out the confusion your claim created.


    Quote Originally Posted by cashin81 View Post

    Tajikstan were never the favs, they were never -1.

    And that +100 was similar to Bet365 at the 39th min mark

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    obviously they are favs with 6 mins to go in a HALF TIME market.

    I mean if you bet handicap, they were never MINUS. Takjikstan were never MINUS anything.

    but yes , optional, congrats with 5 mins to go in a half time market and 2-1 up they were favs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    It was confirming this claim was wrong... to rule out the confusion your claim created.





    And that +100 was similar to Bet365 at the 39th min mark
    what are you saying he needed to win then? Are you saying tajik to score inside 6 mins to win +100 bet?

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    I just checked similar bets (for the match since it is already the second half) on the Republic of Ireland vs England - score is 0-3 and the avilable bets are England -3, Handicap Draw -3, Republic of Ireland + 3, wih the same "“if match result is exactly the spread, ‘handicap tie’ will be settled as a winner”" statement.

    So your bet was a european handicap bet and you would have won only if Taj would have scored another goal before the end of the first half. But +100 odds were not correct for a huge dog basically to score a goal in 6 minutes; prob should have been +1000

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    Quote Originally Posted by horja1 View Post
    I just checked similar bets (for the match since it is already the second half) on the Republic of Ireland vs England - score is 0-3 and the avilable bets are England -3, Handicap Draw -3, Republic of Ireland + 3, wih the same "“if match result is exactly the spread, ‘handicap tie’ will be settled as a winner”" statement.

    So your bet was a european handicap bet and you would have won only if Taj would have scored another goal before the end of the first half. But +100 odds were not correct for a huge dog basically to score a goal in 6 minutes
    Notice how the dog was PLUS all the way through the match?

    TAJIK came into this as +1100 DOG

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    That’s my issue as I would’ve never bet Taj to score a goal with 6 minutes as they were a huge dog. I obviously wouldn’t even bet that knowing I’m taking a huge underdog to score a goal. I opened an incident with FanDuel for further answers as if what you guys are saying I needed was a goal from Taj then those are extremely bad odds. A bad line at minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cashin81 View Post
    what are you saying he needed to win then? Are you saying tajik to score inside 6 mins to win +100 bet?
    Yes I do understand how a Euro Handicap works.

    And I said already I don't understand the odds.

    Which is why I posted the log of Bet365 odds on the match and linked to the soccer forum. Trying to get some useful input on that now.

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    well the log is asian handicap, hence the split handicaps and its not for MINUS Turkmenistan (but UAE)

    bit confusing posting it, actually.

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    yeah I guess. Thought it was the best I could find.

    But here is a log of the Bet365 live HT markets too. In case it helps us.


    Note: it is Hong Kong odds. so add 1 to each price to make it decimal.

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    Optional,


    Do I have any case with FanDuel that this was a bad line? Was a $200 bet but I guess it’s the principle that’s why I’m pressing the issue.

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    It looks like those "live" 1H lines/odds are actually just up to kick off time. :\

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volvader View Post
    Optional,


    Do I have any case with FanDuel that this was a bad line? Was a $200 bet but I guess it’s the principle that’s why I’m pressing the issue.
    Not "really" as the bet you made did actually lose.

    But the small odds you got are a bit confusing.

    No reason you can't enquire with the state regulator though. I can find that email for you if you can't.

    I'd just email them and say you "think there was an error in the bet offering. As although you did not understand the way this Euro handicap worked at the time, you think the odds of +100 for your team to score within 6 mins to half time created the confusion and where obviously incorrect for that bet. Can they look into this for you."

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