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No. You can't do that. Ban someone after they finally tell the truth? It sucks that it took so long, and it sucks that he's made this process more difficult for himself and everyone supporting him. But banning him would send the exact wrong message.Originally Posted by littlekona
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This is amazing. Thanks for the good laugh.
for me it's pain, and pain and suffering is the best comedy i guess? sorry for lying, I was scared.
scared? scared of what?
not receiving what i sent the site back.
Another confession: I have mistaken the last deposits, I thought the last 3 BCH and 11 BCH were from cloudbet they were not but you can see here my last 4 deposits and they add to 84 BCH.On the last day within 2 hours I send three successive deposits of 60 BCH total (24, 20, 16)https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...4vxk7hewqvThis is the BCH wallet address. I added on with each of those BCH deposits to the balance with the previous day's BCH balance I believe, though I know for sure the 60BCH wasn't because I lost, those were all basically one deposit.
This is a bold strategy
Unless cloud said go post a confession and then we will pay
Cloud Bet Scum Vs OP big mouth lying Scum....OP is the type that makes books question legitimate players when issues come up. Zero chance for you now and VERY lucky you received your Deposits back.
Is this guy even real? I can't imagine what this guy looks like? Post a real picture of yourself and I will give you points. I have to see what corky looking guy this looks like.
Man, it's not about that... it's about this affecting my life in a negative way. I won't stop fighting for what is right, this isn't fair to take my deposits. I never received my deposits back, I sent them like $20,000 and got nothing back.
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Cloudbet claim your total account withdrawals are higher than you total account deposits.
Is that correct?
Yea i agree with everything cloudbet said except one thing. they keep saying im a big winner lifetime. since ive had other accts im actually down lifetime i believe, not sure on exact results but ive def lost on other accts too, i understand this is against terms of service too but lets be reasonable, they could look the other way and give me something for this, and make it clear that if i try to play there again from usa they will be allowed to confiscate everythingI've mostly deposited and almost never withdrawn in the entire lifetime of having the johncoltrane44@gmail.com account. I'm down so much bitcoin and if they want to post the deposits and withdrawals of my old account they can do that to give more perspective that Im really not down that much. Maybe they can just confiscate any deposits if I deposit in the future- in general at Cloudbet I was a long time loyal customer for 3 years now and have been making deposits and hardly withdrawing the entire time. I won some back but not even close to what I'm down on the site. I've given them a lot of BTC over the years and they want to paint me as a winner which I am not. I lose loads at sports, more than I can afford.
Optional: I had an old account as you can see here, johncoltrane44@gmail.com. If they can count up all the BTC that i'm down , it would total to be a huge losing account. All my uber driving money and poker winnings would go to cloudbet. I lost a lot there at the site and it was my mistake to make a new account, on the new account after a 2 year hiatus from cloudbet I won some back betting tennis. Overall I just lose loads and I am down a lot on the site in total.
johncoltrane44@gmail.com is my old email login, and you will see that i am down a lot. I can start counting up all the deposits and withdrawals in a spreadsheet myself from my emails now.
I am also stopping bashing cloudbet, this was a mistake. This is business and I can't keep doing that. I really hope they take into account how much money I have given the site lifetime, they want to paint me as a winner but I'm a big loser.
Be a bit sensible.
They are not going to refund you for losses on old multi accounts.
But I think I am done here anyway. Your exact words above were "I sent them like $20,000 and got nothing back". You make this too hard when we can't rely on anything you say. I can't help you anyway.
Dude - seriously - get some help. There are a lot of resources out there. It is way more important that you get help than you get 15k from cloudbet.
I wish you the best in life. But you have no hope in this cloudbet case. You are young and have a bright future. The past does not define your future.
Lol. This guy should be forced to pay cloudbet about $25,000 back for being the most annoying customer ever.
I'm tallying up all the deposits and withdrawals on my first and only *other account. I am including proof of transaction hashes. There was an 18 month gap in using cloudbet.
As I said from the point of confession forward, I'm being completely honest about everything. Understand any doubts though.
Last edited by DoubleRedDragon; 10-11-20 at 12:06 PM.
According to my tallies via my emails, screenshot posted a couple images down
you can look at full transaction histories and tallies here from johncoltrane44@gmail.com 18 months before i opened the efxes account about 3 months ago: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
In total I tallied that I made 198 deposits and 37 withdrawals and
Lost 2.6858 (negative -2.6858 BTC)
Cloudbet: please feel free to verify the transaction history on that account. Here's a screenshot of one of the emails i used to tally this up.
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Here's the tallies from the official spreadsheet of the efxes@producehits.com account, sent to me by head of customer service:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
Here's what 10.7 bch is worth in bitcoin:
So I am up 1.75 bitcoins total (that is including the value of the bch) in the Efxes@producehits.com account.
I am down -2.6858 according to cloudbet's calculations in the johncoltrane44@gmail.com account.
This puts me as a lifetime loser on cloudbet at
1.75 profit minus 2.6858 losses
I am adding the screenshots of each email to each line in the spreadsheet to verify that these emails are real. I am requesting that Cloudbet verify my lifetime losses on johncoltrane44@gmail.com over the 2-3 years I had the account. I made 198 deposits and 37 withdrawals and lost a total of 2.68 bitcoins there.
Again:
Unofficial johncoltrane44@gmail.com from 2017-2019 account deposits and withdrawals
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
All email screenshots are being included, all 198 deposit email screenshots and 37 withdrawal screenshots.
Official efxes@producehits.com from 6/22/20 to 9/22/20 here direct from Cloudbet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
CORRECTION: some people do not want to click google spreadsheet links, so I am posting all of this info in an imgur account for verification purposes.
Last edited by DoubleRedDragon; 10-11-20 at 01:42 PM.
Well...the OP shined a light on what a scam book Cloudbet is. And he displayed how NOT to dispute payment issues. So this thread wasn't a complete waste.
Even if he gets his deposits back, he will most certainly lose it back and then some.
The advice given to seek counseling is a good one. The brutal truth is, only a small minority can win long term in sports betting. The rest are outside looking in, their judgement crippled by survivorship bias.
If the OP, and anyone in a similar place, are able to spend their time, effort, and money on other endeavors, they can lead a happy and productive life.
ADDENDUM:
If you haven't already done so, lose the notion of driving for Uber, Lyft, etc. as a long-term job. Driverless cars are inevitable, and the "contractors" will find themselves made irrelevant. My guess is you have approximately 5-8 years, maybe less. Prepare for this. Save as much as you can, get off this self-destructive path, and invest in another career path.
Last edited by EVPlus; 10-11-20 at 05:28 PM.
Dude. I commend you for finally telling the truth. You should have done so from the very beginning.
Optional: I had an old account as you can see here, johncoltrane44@gmail.com. If they can count up all the BTC that i'm down , it would total to be a huge losing account. All my uber driving money and poker winnings would go to cloudbet. I lost a lot there at the site and it was my mistake to make a new account, on the new account after a 2 year hiatus from cloudbet I won some back betting tennis. Overall I just lose loads and I am down a lot on the site in total.
johncoltrane44@gmail.com is my old email login, and you will see that i am down a lot. I can start counting up all the deposits and withdrawals in a spreadsheet myself from my emails now.
I am also stopping bashing cloudbet, this was a mistake. This is business and I can't keep doing that. I really hope they take into account how much money I have given the site lifetime, they want to paint me as a winner but I'm a big loser.
But now that I understand your argument for why you deserve to be paid more, you are out of luck. Not only have you been VPN-ing in from the US, but you have MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS??? LOL This is the risk you take when you flaunt terms of service so egregiously. No sportsbook is going to give any argument the time of day if it involved multiple accounts. That's like the #1 no-no rule break in the industry. It's time to accept the consequences of this big risk which you knowingly took.
I didn't know Cloudbet allows a player to have more than one account
I hate to pile on, but please look in the mirror. It is nice that you apologized to everyone, but what does the apology mean if you don't truly take into consideration the amount of other peoples time that you wasted.
You had already been previously banned for using a VPN. Then you did it again. PokerStars as I showed you back when I got caught, made it very clear what would happen if I attempted to do it again.
This is going to be my last post on the topic because you aren't taking anything that is being said to heart. Not from the start did you, and not now. You are just using another angle to try to get paid. I am sure you can use the money, we can all use money. We all would also like to get paid if we were in your spot. But most of us aren't in these spots because we don't make these horrible decisions that have these consequences.
Take the advice and move on. You will save a lot of time and effort. As far as continue to post, you are hindering all chances of getting paid. The only way you have ANY chance is by going to arbitration and dealing with this privately. Stop posting on the topic. Believe me its great advice.
I hadn't been using a VPN on the first account, I stopped using it after they said no USA was allowed so they closed my account. I believe this is the case to the best of my recollection being truthful about everything.
[img][/img][size=24pt]So if this is the case, I was a long-time loyal customer 18 months before before I even thought to use a VPN in order to play on Cloudbet. They closed my account since I used it from USA. I shouldn't have, but I opened an account 18 months later in order to finally get back on Cloudbet. So yes, I had two accounts. But looking at my johncoltrane44@gmail.com account i had lost 2.7 bitcoins there anyways. So I'm down overall on the site so this means that I should be due my money back.[/size][img]
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here is the imgur post with 198 deposits and 37 withdrawals from 2017 to January of 2019[size=20pt]https://imgur.com/a/cKScZIG[/size]
As you can see above, I'm not. I'm down at least .9 bitcoin but I am adding it up now and I already found an extra .03 deposit so it's looking like I'm a losing customer on their site still after this second account I made after they closed my first account suddenly because they stopped accepting USA customers. I didn't try to circumvent that back then but now I did.
They are saying they won't give me back the money I deposited that's on the account because I'm profiting off of them. But I'm not, I was a loyal losing customer for many years before this. It was my mistake to make another account but I loved the Cloudbet software and I was a loyal customer, I chose them over all other sportsbooks I enjoyed my experience there.
But what Steve says is I am profiting but I'm not. I'm a losing customer I've donated plenty, my first account closed 18 months before I made this account was -2.7 bitcoins. I have no history of multi-accounting, only being a loyal cloudbet customer missing my experience there.
Last edited by DoubleRedDragon; 10-11-20 at 07:57 PM.
No book in the history of offshore betting has. The guy is a scammer and got caught. End of story. Because of people like this is why books make it so difficult sometimes to verify identity of honest players.I didn't know Cloudbet allows a player to have more than one account
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end of story. that sounds familiar... cloudbet? registered in 2013 just like your username. Yet another uncovered insider.
The truth of hte matter is Steve is saying I shouldn't be due what I sent the site that day because I'm a winning customer. In fact, I'm a long time loyal losing customer, my accounts were nearly 2 years apart from each other, and I only VPN'd in on the 2nd one. I'm no sharp, I blow all my money at sports, I'm also not a scammer. You can ask the bitcoin poker community if I pay my debts- they always are staking me and loaning me and stuff.
You can piss right off. These accusations you continue to make are so sad. I don't know themike78 personally, but the people on this board interact with each other enough that I'm fairly confident that neither he nor RedApples are associated with CloudBet. You really should stop making yourself look so foolish. But you've making bad decision after bad decision here from moment one. You obviously can't help yourself.
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And by the way, with the money stolen from the account, I would actually be down 2.3 bitcoins, not .9 bitcoisn to the site. I deserve the account balance back, and I am firm about that.
Now the ban would probably be appropriate.... this guy is a joke. I'm with the rest of them, piss off.
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here is the imgur post with 198 deposits and 37 withdrawals from 2017 to January of 2019[size=20pt]https://imgur.com/a/cKScZIG[/size]
As you can see above, I'm not. I'm down at least .9 bitcoin but I am adding it up now and I already found an extra .03 deposit so it's looking like I'm a losing customer on their site still after this second account I made after they closed my first account suddenly because they stopped accepting USA customers. I didn't try to circumvent that back then but now I did.
They are saying they won't give me back the money I deposited that's on the account because I'm profiting off of them. But I'm not, I was a loyal losing customer for many years before this. It was my mistake to make another account but I loved the Cloudbet software and I was a loyal customer, I chose them over all other sportsbooks I enjoyed my experience there.
But what Steve says is I am profiting but I'm not. I'm a losing customer I've donated plenty, my first account closed 18 months before I made this account was -2.7 bitcoins. I have no history of multi-accounting, only being a loyal cloudbet customer missing my experience there.
[size=24pt]So if this is the case, I was a long-time loyal customer 18 months before before I even thought to use a VPN in order to play on Cloudbet. They closed my account since I used it from USA. I shouldn't have, but I opened an account 18 months later in order to finally get back on Cloudbet. So yes, I had two accounts. But looking at my johncoltrane44@gmail.com account i had lost 2.7 bitcoins there anyways. So I'm down overall on the site so this means that I should be due my money back.[/size][img]
This argument just makes it look like YOU TRIED TO FREEROLL THEM. You thought you could win but could not lose as they would have to refund your deposit again if caught using them from USA a second time.
I'd guess you have probably got away with a lot more than that to make you end up so cavalier about breaking their rules?
It sounds like you also tried to stiff them for $3000 by leaving your Bitcoin balance negative 3000 and trying to keep playing using BitcoinCash.
And after doing those things, you thought it was safe to deposit $25,000 in a day!
Please tell us all what Cloudbet is offering that is so good it makes those risks worth it?
What's the angle you love there?
Optional: I don't angle at all, I'm just a degenerate losing gambler that loves action. I didn't even know there was a mis-grade. It was a 2nd set retire being pushed instead of lost. On top of that, I was betting in BCH the entire time. I made like 5 bets in BTC for some reason but I switched back to BCH and redeposited, then when I go to cash out I see the negative BTC balance so I figure they'll take it out of that.
I'm no angle shooter and I don't appreciate being called this. I come from a code of ethics in the poker world and I would think they would know what to do after THEIR mis-grade caused a BTC balance to go negatively. It's their sportsbook where they accept multiple cryptos.
Of course I should be due what I deposited back, especially given that Steve said the reason I'm not being paid is because of the deposits and withdrawals not adding up, yet I'm down 2.7 bitcoisn of my Uber money which was not easy to accumulate I deposited my net worth every single day as you can see from the transaction history in the spreadsheets.
What angles? C'mon man...
EDIT: Also, in reference to the USA second time stuff- again I never VPN'd in on the first account. The problem was that I signed up from the USA on the first account, used it from the USA, and then all of a sudden they stopped accepting USA customers? I'm just a recreational bettor I do other things because this isn't how i make money I don't make money.
Last edited by DoubleRedDragon; 10-12-20 at 02:59 AM.
You're not an angle shooter but you make angle shooter arguments that you should be paid?
You just happen to go negative $3000 in your account and switch to a different currency, but your not an angle shooter?
You came on here lying to smear Cloudbet as your strategy, but your not an angle shooter, you just took advice of angle shooter friends.
You claimed SBR is corrupt and paid off to help Cloudbet steal from you, and send emails to SBR admin saying we are paid by Cloudbet to penetrate you over...
BUT, you're not an angle shooter?
If you're not an angel shooter you must be a very very slow thinker to not realize you do these things. Or maybe so delusional you really think you are in the right.
Now, please go away. This thread is over and you will not be allowed to use SBR to unfairly smear your bookmaker. Go back to Bitcoi9ntalk with the rest of your morally bereft mates and do it over there where they don't care if you are honest or fair or not.
I wasn't negative in the account until after I deposited bitcoin cash and was betting the whole time, so that makes it ok to rob my entire account?
I also never tried to say that you are helping Cloudbet. What I have said, good sir, is that this site seems to be generally USA customers, and Cloudbet has like what, a B rating??? They take action from USA customers and get a lot of action from SBR users probably. Building their credibility only to rob people who are able to pull out a win. I know I was robbed, unfairly, no matter how you look at it.
Steve said I"m not being paid my deposits back because my account was in the black. This is not the case. I had an account 18 months prior that was closed when I wasn't even VPN'ing and ahd registered in the USA> I don't know any of the angles. I'm not very smart when it comes to these things.
My friend told me to bring up the old account balance, and I'm being truthful about everything at this piont anyways. He told me to bring this forward and said people might think it's an angle- but it's not. This is how they treat a losing customer. And they also freeroll USA bettors. I said SBR migth be complicit in this but I can take that back adn apologize about offending anyone.
Last edited by DoubleRedDragon; 10-12-20 at 03:12 AM.
Well that would make you innocent of the charge of knowingly swapping wallets to avoid that 3k.
But at this point, I really do not believe anything you say, so will have to take that claim of yours with a pinch of salt too.
Not that it changes anything either way.
Bottom line, this thread is over now. You clearly have no valid case for an official complaint. If you continue to use this thread to smear your bookmaker, you will have to be removed from our forum. You're choice.
Fine. No harm done. I apologize if any offense taken- this was a mess from start to finish. I just wanted what I deposited back, and I still think it's fair but I will not push any lines. I think in general people can agree that I should be given my deposits back.
Also it's not my bookmaker. My bookmaker wouldn't pull this one on me. I think you're going to see more problems with Cloudbet in the future.
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