[DoubleRedDragon]

I truly feel that but people have told me i'm paranoid.

No i'm truly not trying to manipulate. I just want to wipe this phase of my life clean and see if I can lead a productive life.

I want to make amends. Please don't tell me i'm trying to manipulate the situation when I truly do fear for my life and the people who do not want me to continue to cause problems. Please respect that. I want to be able to wake up tomorrow and have it be a new day and not even have to think about this. I made so many mistakes and was advised by so many of the wrong people along the way. Everything I've done has been a mistake up to this point.

Please just let me go on my way let's bury this. I'm done. I do fear for my life.


These are words the mob uses before they kill someone. Listen, I've hardly ever held $1,000 to my name let alone $15,000. I'm a starving musician, I've never had crap. I dont' need money to be happy, and I don't need to speak out against a company in order to feel whole.

I am not trying to manipulate anything. I truly don't want this for my life any more. I'm willing to move on and do what it takes to make amends to cloudbet, to redapples, and anyone else I"ve offended along the way. This was a mistake! I messed up. I don't need the money. I can survive. I will be fine. I appreciate all of you. But I do feel threatened and scared by the statement and the amount of backlash I've received from that particular account and a few others in general. It's scary. I don't want any of it. I'm done. I will never speak out against Cloudbet or any sportsbook again. I don't want to be a part of this world any more. I'm terrified.

I love sports but this has scared the living crap out of me. I'm serious.

I love you all, i appreciate you all, and i hold no hate in my heart for anyone or any company. I am done fighting. I am staying silent -- have to fix my life and shut up about the stuff that doesn't matter.


I will see you in the next life and please pray for me. If you have any issues, I am willing to do what it takes to clear them up so that this can have an amicable ending and I can go on with my life. I am sorry if i overstepped any bounds.

I broke TOS. I have to deal with the consequences. End of story. Please do not cause me any more problems than what I am dealing with. I truly do not want any beef, any problems. I want to be at peace with the world, not speak out against any company, not do anything bad. There are injustices, this might not be an injustice but if it were in my mind- it would be one that I'd be wise to just keep going with my life.

I broke TOS, I have to deal with it. It's the end of the story.

[jacksonstreet]

If you truly want to be done with it, why are you continuing to post and hit refresh on this thread every 3 minutes? Just wondering. I also saw you still have that scam website up. You have the power to walk away, but you just keep making it worse on yourself by coming back to check. Who knows, maybe you'll get an email from Cloudbet out of the blue where they've reversed their decision. If so, it can be a nice surprise for you. If not, well, that's the most likely thing anyway.

Why don't you get on taskrabbit and try to earn some cash. You're in San Fran -- there's a ton of things you can do for money.

You obviously know how to write, use computers, and you are extremely dedicated. Use those skills to your advantage.

[Optional]

Locking the thread for 48 hours.

Please all take a break.

[DoubleRedDragon]

thank you to optional for doing some hardy moderating and re-opening the thread. I don't plan to post much except that I am really hoping Cloudbet will come forward and re-look at this complicated case. I have presented new facts and still it has been 6 weeks now and no word. I don't want to get into a back and forth- I don't want to cause more problems, I just want to see what Cloudbet has to say, they have been silent and now that the election is over they should at least be able to look over the facts. I realize the mis-grade complicates thing- but it doesn't mean it's too much work to look over the facts and the precedent. I have been doing my part to focus my personal efforts elsewhere- now I am hoping Cloudbet can please re-look at the facts and decide whether a partial or full payment of the funds I deposited in good faith and trust that day will be returned to me. I made the bets, I went to withdraw the deposited funds within a 24 hour window, and I feel that the reasonings of me being a USA player is a new development that I was not clear on considering that I was closely following the 330btc and other cases where USA players were paid out and banned from the site.

Thank you.

[themike78]

Lol. This idiot is still going. Thanks for the laugh.

[jacksonstreet]

thank you to optional for doing some hardy moderating and re-opening the thread. I don't plan to post much except that I am really hoping Cloudbet will come forward and re-look at this complicated case. I have presented new facts and still it has been 6 weeks now and no word. I don't want to get into a back and forth- I don't want to cause more problems, I just want to see what Cloudbet has to say, they have been silent and now that the election is over they should at least be able to look over the facts. I realize the mis-grade complicates thing- but it doesn't mean it's too much work to look over the facts and the precedent. I have been doing my part to focus my personal efforts elsewhere- now I am hoping Cloudbet can please re-look at the facts and decide whether a partial or full payment of the funds I deposited in good faith and trust that day will be returned to me. I made the bets, I went to withdraw the deposited funds within a 24 hour window, and I feel that the reasonings of me being a USA player is a new development that I was not clear on considering that I was closely following the 330btc and other cases where USA players were paid out and banned from the site.

Thank you.

Dude, stop. I check your profile on bitcointalk every day to see if you really are "putting this behind you". Newsflash: you aren't. You check Bitcointalk every single day. I really feel for you, but Cloudbet has made their decision. They aren't going to randomly decide to take a look at your case again and change their stance. And with every day that goes by, that should become more and more clear to you.

[littlekona]

[QUOTE=DoubleRedDragon;I have been doing my part to focus my personal efforts elsewhere- now I am hoping Cloudbet can please re-look at the facts.[/QUOTE]
LOL why would Cloudbet give a hoot about you doing "your part" you act like this is some court where cloudbet is judge and you are begging for a second chance I have changed your Honor LOL
Dude you are lucky to of gotten your deposit back and odds are you didnt deserve that as you scammed them with Muti accounts too. Go Away

[jacksonstreet]

I mean the fact that you switched to playing in BCH because your BTC account was negative (and the fact that Cloudbet allows that??) speaks volumes. There's no reason for you to start playing in BCH there - it's not like you started buying it all of a sudden or came upon a bunch. The switch was intentional.

[Alfie White]

Wait, wait - I completely ignored this thread. OP got the deposit back and keeps complaining?

[themike78]

Wait, wait - I completely ignored this thread. OP got the deposit back and keeps complaining?

Yes. He played at a book that doesn't accept U.S customers won a bunch of money and also had multiple accounts. He claims the book stole from him though because they won't pay him even though they paid him more than what his deposit was before catching him. Guy is a greedy lowlife scammer. It's hilarious because he still thinks the book will pay him after they told him no and banned him. Lol.

[Alfie White]

Yes, I followed the story initially (VPN + Mexico + AirBNB, etc) and I thought I've seen he got the initial deposit back; I missed the multi-accounting stuff and followup.

This is why industry is going to shit with all KYC/AML stuff, this guy and other idiot asking if funds passing is legal - these kind of people are ruining the game for all of us. As we, normal punters, get repercussions for the things idiots like these do.

Screw them all.

[lonnie55]

Wait, wait - I completely ignored this thread. OP got the deposit back and keeps complaining?

Deposit + some winnings:

Here's the tallies from the official spreadsheet of the efxes@producehits.com account, sent to me by head of customer service:

[DoubleRedDragon]

According to my tallies via my emails, screenshot posted a couple images down



you can look at full transaction histories and tallies here from johncoltrane44@gmail.com 18 months before i opened the efxes account about 3 months ago: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

In total I tallied that I made 198 deposits and 37 withdrawals and

Lost 2.6858 (negative -2.6858 BTC)
Cloudbet: please feel free to verify the transaction history on that account. Here's a screenshot of one of the emails i used to tally this up.
[IMG][/IMG]


Here's the tallies from the official spreadsheet of the efxes@producehits.com account, sent to me by head of customer service:




https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing


Here's what 10.7 bch is worth in bitcoin:


So I am up 1.75 bitcoins total (that is including the value of the bch) in the Efxes@producehits.com account.

I am down -2.6858 according to cloudbet's calculations in the johncoltrane44@gmail.com account.

This puts me as a lifetime loser on cloudbet at

1.75 profit minus 2.6858 losses





I am adding the screenshots of each email to each line in the spreadsheet to verify that these emails are real. I am requesting that Cloudbet verify my lifetime losses on johncoltrane44@gmail.com over the 2-3 years I had the account. I made 198 deposits and 37 withdrawals and lost a total of 2.68 bitcoins there.

Again:
Unofficial johncoltrane44@gmail.com from 2017-2019 account deposits and withdrawals
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
All email screenshots are being included, all 198 deposit email screenshots and 37 withdrawal screenshots.

Official efxes@producehits.com from 6/22/20 to 9/22/20 here direct from Cloudbet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing


CORRECTION: some people do not want to click google spreadsheet links, so I am posting all of this info in an imgur account for verification purposes.

here is the full post that lonnie posted. those figures are incorrect because they are holding 67 bitcoin cash that i deposited less than 24 hours earlier, the account had been zero balanced before depositing that (i was unaware of any mis-grade and re-deposited BACK into bitcoin cash).

Gently asking cloudbet to please look back over this. It's been about six weeks.

Here are 200 provable deposits showing I'm actually down more than $30,000 on the site even if I was paid.
https://imgur.com/a/cKScZIG

I received no such deposits. My account was zero balanced, I deposited to the site and they are confiscating teh funds.

[RedApples]

Please ban this clown already. It's never going to end.

[Optional]

Please ban this clown already. It's never going to end.

Responding to him just contributes to the thread being bumped more.

All participants are part of keeping this thread going.

[jacksonstreet]

Responding to him just contributes to the thread being bumped more.

All participants are part of keeping this thread going.

Bump

[jacksonstreet]

DRD/Efxes; I know you are still actively checking your thread on bitcointalk, and I can only assume you are constantly refreshing this page as well. You clearly haven't put this behind you.

For your own good, please just walk away. You are wasting your time, your effort will not pay off, and your stress/anxiety will continue to grow.

I say this as:
-someone who has wasted many hours, days, and months stressing about my funds being 'stolen' from 2 different sportsbook and a bitcoin exchange (yet I still bet online and with bitcoin --- guess I'm looking to get fooled a 4th time).
-someone who has put together countless threads/posts on here, reddit, bitcointalk, x 10 others to 'get my case out there'.
-someone who let their life revolve around negative situations like yours.
-someone who never saw a penny from any of my efforts, despite numerous promises from site operators that my accounts would be paid.

For your own sake, you should get off Nitro (permanently), stay away from these boards, and don't even think about gambling. Easier said than done, but you can do it -- I know from your threads you have a music background (you used your personal website email as your cloudbet account lolololol)....use it! You're obviously a relatively sharp, well-spoken gentleman. You can do this.

[DoubleRedDragon]

this has nothing to do with whether or not gambling is good for me. don't be ridiculous. You obviously work for the site. I'm blocking you, I dont' want to hear anything more from you. You're a troll. And you almost definitely work for the site along with RedApples. You are both pitiful. Along with your shady dying business. Pay your customers.

[DoubleRedDragon]

By the way I'm not even thinking about the case. You're the one whose job it is to deal with cases like these and post in political threads and crap try and manipulate situations for your sites you work for. Enough. I'd appreciate not stalking me, but I guess it helps with algorithms and engagements so who cares, stalk all my profiles all you want bud. I'm just posting updates as they come in. No ill will- I just think your'e both pitiful along with all the other paid posters.

[DoubleRedDragon]

Responding to him just contributes to the thread being bumped more.

All participants are part of keeping this thread going.

It's his job to respond to me. Account join date, 10-19-20. redapples nominating all his posts, new designated poster. I'm sure you've seen all the tricks in the book.

Look i'm not trying to play sides here but the "trying to make me go away with anonymous posters shaming a victim into submission" is not how this should be going down.

This case has been going almost 2 months now. It's this guy JacksonStreet's job to come into the thread trying to gain my friendship then flip the switch to try and convince me to go away.

Look, I check on teh case a couple times a week. I put it out of my mind. I wouldn't keep checking on it if I didn't think I was due the funds, or that past precedent shows that cases like mine were always paid, and I repeat always paid in the exact words of cloudbet.

Let's get this resolved. It's nothing personal, it's strictly business. This is not how you treat customers, Cloudbet. Let's get it resolved, for the good of everyone!

[DoubleRedDragon]

Cloudbet in the past has said, I quote:

We always pay players when they cooperate and provide the correct documents.


I provided the correct documents. The reasoning of it being due to me being a USA player, they always return the "account balance". Do you need me to dig up the post for you or have you not educated yourself on the case?

Of course I'm not going to go away until this is resolved. Why would you think otherwise?

[DontTailMe]

It's his job to respond to me. Account join date, 10-19-20. redapples nominating all his posts, new designated poster. I'm sure you've seen all the tricks in the book.

You continue to make yourself look like a clown with these accusations. Everyone here knows it isn't true, so I have no idea why you would repeatedly damage your credibility like this. You've been warned countless times now.

this has nothing to do with whether or not gambling is good for me. don't be ridiculous. You obviously work for the site. I'm blocking you, I dont' want to hear anything more from you. You're a troll. And you almost definitely work for the site along with RedApples. You are both pitiful. Along with your shady dying business. Pay your customers.

Can you block other users on here? Please tell me how.

[ace7550]

The thread that wont die...

[jacksonstreet]

By the way I'm not even thinking about the case. You're the one whose job it is to deal with cases like these and post in political threads and crap try and manipulate situations for your sites you work for. Enough. I'd appreciate not stalking me, but I guess it helps with algorithms and engagements so who cares, stalk all my profiles all you want bud. I'm just posting updates as they come in. No ill will- I just think your'e both pitiful along with all the other paid posters.

You aren't posting updates, unless you consider "haven't heard a peep from Cloudbet - hope they pay me".

I don't work for the site. I'm a 34 year old degenerate gambler (although I have a good job!) who has interacted with you MANY TIMES on Nitro chat over the past 5 years. You'd be shocked if I told you my username (I'm not dpad, though).

[jacksonstreet]

Cloudbet in the past has said, I quote:

We always pay players when they cooperate and provide the correct documents.


I provided the correct documents. The reasoning of it being due to me being a USA player, they always return the "account balance". Do you need me to dig up the post for you or have you not educated yourself on the case?

Of course I'm not going to go away until this is resolved. Why would you think otherwise?

Because you've said many times that you wish to 'put this behind you' and 'never think about it again'. I know that's impossible, though. Over time you'll give it up. I finally did after a BTC exchange closed their doors with $23k of my funds. It took me almost 2 years to stop trying, though. What a waste of time. I hope Cloudbet pays you, but I just wouldn't count on it. The O N L Y way you're getting that money back is if someone from SBR or OSGA steps up and demands Cloudbet pay you. Have you even opened a complaint with SBR>??

[jacksonstreet]

I really hate sportsbooks and their operators. I hope they all go out of business. They provide destructive leisure and prey on people who have addictions.

That being said, I think Cloudbet isn't paying you because 1) you lied up front and probably cost them a bunch of resources to investigate, and 2) you were CLEARLY trying to circumvent your negative balance issue by moving from BTC to BCH. Look, I've been betting in BTC for 5 years. Probably similar to you. There is NO REASON that either of us would have BCH. That alone tells me that you saw an opportunity to deal with them in BCH since your BTC account was in the hole.

[jacksonstreet]

I remember the early Nitro days when you would come in posting your picks, fighting with dpad, chatting with jydfly and PW Sports and sexy and vgnhippie. I"m not some Cloudbet shill. I hate those fuckers. They cost me a lot of money with their rigged live betting software.

[DoubleRedDragon]

I jsut want to hear what cloudbet has to say, it's been two months. I'm done conversing with people until then. I will just await to see if cloudbet says anyhting. if not whatever, i'll move on. but I wish it would get resolved.

Look I don't want any more problems, I apologize for stating false facts in the beginning. I was scared I wouldn't get paid. My reality came true. I apologize about all of it... I think jackson knows my character, and is pushing me to walk away for own mental health and to live a fruitful life, it's definitely a tough situation.

To the people talking crap and talking down to me, I'm sure you've done a lot worse than lie about your location when gambling on the internet. Good luck.

[DoubleRedDragon]

Update: still no update from Cloudbet after the premature closing of the case months ago. They closed the case in my face and then continued to close the case multiple times in a few day period. Then after I presented the facts needed to fight the case, they stopped responding not only to me but to everyone and have been silent for two months. Definitely telling.

Can we get an official word from Cloudbet? The reasons for confiscating the balance don't line up with past precedent of returning account balances to players, especially since I was a multiple year loyal losing customer and their reasoning is that I was a winning account was wrong. I'd like to get an official word from Cloudbet before deciding whether to stop updating the community on the matter.