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    Lost $2,000 today in a couple hours at Bookmaker, betting between 15-50 (usually 25).. Must have lost 80%+ of hands .. Tried everything.. Single deck, multi deck, spanish BJ, double exposure.. Can't win on any of them period. I've never seen anything like these losing streaks in my 20 yrs of playing blackjack in the REAL world .. lose 12 times in a row, win 1, lose 12, repeat...Such BS! Burn in hell online casinos..
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    2015-05-19 BlackJack Multihand 84 460 14165.00 -1232.50 0.00
    2015-05-19 B.J.Double Exposure 17 74 1223.00 -198.00 0.00
    2015-05-19 Spanish Blackjack 80 372 10700.00 -820.00

    Looking back at some history..one stretch, I lost 11 times in a row,4 times I had 20 and dealer got 21. then I won 2 hands and then went on to lose 13 out of 14.. sickkk. guess they wanted their money back from them rockets vs clips.

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    Anything with vig is rigged. Play with your Betpoints. Stay out of online casinos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandito97 View Post
    Like I stated, I cannot argue back and forth anymore. I specifically stated in my last post that I get the history and go through it hand by hand and the results I always bring up are based on exactly that, the ACTUAL history in black and white. You keep wanting to defend that it is actually fair programming that is really random in what is generated. I don't believe it for one second as I believe it generates exactly the results it wants to even when it generates a winning hand for the player. All pre-determined. Another guy just came on and mentioned sample size. Like I stated, it is based on years and 1000's of hands, not my last 10 hand stretch. I cannot go through it anymore because like i said, it's pointless because nobody seems to read what was said and comes back with something i already covered. Everybody has an opinion and it is their right. Actually, I barely play it anymore, maybe once every few months if i'm bored and I make my next deposit as soon as i'm done. I just can't resist the urge when I see these threads to give MY opinion. I'm out on this one, good luck and enjoy.
    I read everyone of your comments and respect your opinion. Like I said before, I am not defending online casino software. My theory is set on a preexisting outcome formula...meaning, the combinations are random, but they narrow at some point to justify the win ratio to the house. I proved this to a friend by playing too many online casino hands of black jack to count. It seemed the longer I played, uncanny results and eventually outcomes would appear. I took that theory to the real tables stacked with cash. That's important, you can't judge on 10%, at least not in this theory because of time. I tried to replicate the same scenarios and while the uncanny results differed, on many occasions the house advantage would finally catch up to me. Does this mean the random generator is not truly random? Does this mean, no matter how lucky you get the house advantage will catch up to you? What if I stopped playing after I busted and started winning again (new clock, or the new start to to the same clock)? It appears to be the case and if you push me in a corner Id say that's manipulation in theory. However, we differ in the appearance of normal play less than 100 hands, which depending on the clock (in my theory) you might get lucky or not. Now, that's not a whole lot different that a real casino considering the house has nearly a 3/1 edge on the player. Best of luck to you and I appreciate your comments on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Dozer View Post
    Anything with vig is rigged. Play with your Betpoints. Stay out of online casinos.
    Casino games (outside of poker) have vig? That's news to me Bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FilletMaster View Post
    2015-05-19 BlackJack Multihand 84 460 14165.00 -1232.50 0.00
    2015-05-19 B.J.Double Exposure 17 74 1223.00 -198.00 0.00
    2015-05-19 Spanish Blackjack 80 372 10700.00 -820.00

    Looking back at some history..one stretch, I lost 11 times in a row,4 times I had 20 and dealer got 21. then I won 2 hands and then went on to lose 13 out of 14.. sickkk. guess they wanted their money back from them rockets vs clips.
    Yep, that's ugly FilletMaster.

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    Sorry but I just have to throw this in. Just won $150 at youwager blackjack. Still don't understand the problem with online casinos. Like I said if I lost everytime I would complain also. Don't get me wrong I have bad runs there but it is the same to me as it is at any land based casino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by themike78 View Post
    Sorry but I just have to throw this in. Just won $150 at youwager blackjack. Still don't understand the problem with online casinos. Like I said if I lost everytime I would complain also. Don't get me wrong I have bad runs there but it is the same to me as it is at any land based casino.
    prove your wins or shut the fuk up

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    Quote Originally Posted by STAX View Post
    prove your wins or shut the fuk up



    for real, congrats but get out now or it will all be gone and then some. i remember being up my first 1k too, thought it was cake... and then poof. had to disable casino there many yrs ago and the live casino. you will get raped. been warned

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Dozer View Post
    Anything with vig is rigged. Play with your Betpoints. Stay out of online casinos.

    Think the source of this post giving that advice is all you need to know.

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    Years ago, i posed as an online casino owner and approached Boss Media (then the provider for 5 Dimes) to ask if the "cards" in games like blackjack are truly random, or are they generated to create whatever house edge the casino wanted to make. I was very clear to say that I was not talking about changing rules of the game, but rather asking whether the hold pct. was adjustable by the owner and the card generator would be adjust accordingly. I was told in no uncertain terms that, yes, the casino operator can dial up whatever edge he wants and the software will ensure it is realized over a large enough sample.

    I have no idea about any other provider and any other time period (this was more than a decade ago), but suffice it to say, I have never played a single hand at an online casino since then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Microphone View Post
    Think the source of this post giving that advice is all you need to know.
    No such thing as vig in the casino, so either you're being sarcastic or gullible ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by InsiderHer View Post
    No such thing as vig in the casino, so either you're being sarcastic or gullible ....

    Neither. No casino game is EV. The house has a built in edge in every game, including blackjack, the game that that edge is probably the least if basic strategy is followed. The edge is vig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by themike78 View Post
    Like I said I have no reason to promote online blackjack. I just do not see how these places have some secret trick to make you lose on their site with the casino. If you feel that way than do not fukin play it. Fuk people claim the N.B.A is rigged which its not, only college is but they still bet on it.
    This dude must work for an online casino.. Trying to show guys here how great it is while making fun of everyone that disagrees

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    Quote Originally Posted by Microphone View Post
    Neither. No casino game is EV. The house has a built in edge in every game, including blackjack, the game that that edge is probably the least if basic strategy is followed. The edge is vig.
    Well, some casino game's are close to even (Baccarat/War), but what you're talking about are odds which provide the house with an edge. If you want to call it vig by all means, I guess I could call VAT, or anything with a price vig. To learn more about odds, I use The Wizard of Odds to calculate the house edge on optimal play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiktok View Post
    This dude must work for an online casino.. Trying to show guys here how great it is while making fun of everyone that disagrees
    Most likely...sounds like the old BFC Mike.

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    in 11th grade i was playing on bodog under my brothers name that opened an account for me...i was sitting in business ed class on the computer and had maybe $150 in the account. My best friend sitting right by me and I promise on anything it was as if I could not lose. Anything I did I won. BJ after BJ after BJ after BJ. Within 20 minutes I was at $23,000 in the account. I swear the program was messed up or something. I play from time to time at heritage and I know when it's coming. They may let you win up to 100$ if you're lucky but I'm to a point where I can see it coming and I just stop and leave.

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    DSi has absolutely destroyed me. Dont know why I kept going back, but it was never as bad as lately. I'd win here and there then blow it due to lack of discipline. But lately, from the get go, cant even be in the black at all completely wiped out . No matter what I do, I outsmart them and win a round playing unorthodox, right away opens up a 21 next hand to wipe out 3 hands, sometimes back to back. Its like they punish you next rounds for making the correct play. And doubles and splits are horrible. Cant get a 10 to save my life on 10 or 11, and never get 2 high cards, I mean ever, splitting aces. Its an auto draw for me with 2 aces, get a 4-6 usually. To anyone that thinks about playing there, its a limitless pit of losing hell. Save yourself money dont play there. It has literally ruined my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DISTROYA View Post
    DSi has absolutely destroyed me. . It has literally ruined my life.

    Because you figure you're due to win at some point because, as many, you believe a place like that to be a reputable site that offers fair games.

    They don't. Many of us are suckers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DISTROYA View Post
    DSi has absolutely destroyed me. Dont know why I kept going back, but it was never as bad as lately. I'd win here and there then blow it due to lack of discipline. But lately, from the get go, cant even be in the black at all completely wiped out . No matter what I do, I outsmart them and win a round playing unorthodox, right away opens up a 21 next hand to wipe out 3 hands, sometimes back to back. Its like they punish you next rounds for making the correct play. And doubles and splits are horrible. Cant get a 10 to save my life on 10 or 11, and never get 2 high cards, I mean ever, splitting aces. Its an auto draw for me with 2 aces, get a 4-6 usually. To anyone that thinks about playing there, its a limitless pit of losing hell. Save yourself money dont play there. It has literally ruined my life.
    I had a thread on here where i said i felt they had the worst rigged casino. I used to think it was Sportbet but after they got rid of the Live Casino it is insanely bad. They blatantly rip you of . I try not to go in there because it is really pointless. I even once wrote them telling them how bad it is there and how their casino was a joke. They sent me back an e-mail asking for my acct number. I went in there after that thinking they may have put some cash back or something. They didn't but what did happen was they must have turned off the cheat mode. For about a couple hours i had a fair game and actually won a bit. Then i guess they thought i had enough and it went right back to the insane hands. Other then that one time it has been a joke in there.

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    WOW the horror stories just keep coming.. I have another but not worth it..F'N CrOOKS.. Hey SBR.. get our money back from these blatant rigged sportsbooks / casinos that you promote!! There is no denying it and you guys will even admit it.. I have yet to hear someone win anything worth a crap .. what are they paying out 4%???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Microphone View Post
    Because you figure you're due to win at some point because, as many, you believe a place like that to be a reputable site that offers fair games.

    They don't. Many of us are suckers.
    yes. threw away great hard earned scalp and arbitrage winnings in a few horrific occasions.

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    No I do not work for an online casino. If it is so "rigged" then why the fuk you guys play it and continue to cry when you lose all your money?

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    Either learn how to play blackjack or don't fukin play. Very simple. And I just won another $75 today.

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    Never seen a bigger bunch of crybabies in my life. The dealer won 10 hands in a row its rigged. WTF then change your style of play or don't play stop coming up with god dam conspiracy theories that they are rigged. Chips jumping up and down, some guy has a switch to change the payouts. I have fukin heard it all. Why do you play then? Answer me that one question and I will shut up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by themike78 View Post
    Never seen a bigger bunch of crybabies in my life. The dealer won 10 hands in a row its rigged. WTF then change your style of play or don't play stop coming up with god dam conspiracy theories that they are rigged. Chips jumping up and down, some guy has a switch to change the payouts. I have fukin heard it all. Why do you play then? Answer me that one question and I will shut up.
    You need to shut the fuk up plain and simple. Never seen a bigger douchebag in my life. Just because people are on here sharing their experience doesn't mean they are still playing and it has nothing to do with knowing how to play it, you moron. Of course you just won again because according to your posts you always win everytime. The guy posted last time you were here, show the proof or shut the fuk up and of course, you disappeared. That's because you are a fukking liar and everyone here knows it. Let's all guess, you won in Youwager's casino again. 100 guys come on saying the same thing but we're all wrong and you're the bright shining star that ALWAYS wins. Don't even bother with the internet tough guy response.

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    wow mike $75 bucks. 'grats on grinding out $3 bets. been there, done that.. a hundred times. Bump that bet up to $25 and you are doomed. Why? because it's rigged. the cards magically change based upon your bet. You can bet a few bucks all day and have a fair shot & good run UNTIL they cut you off from even that.,which they will do if you don't up the ante as they EXPECT.. but when you bet $20-$50-$100+ there is no good run, just a beating. everything changes. Seen the same thing for 10 yrs at every online casino. It's a broken record of cheating. Can't beat the machine..
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    I could go to a real human casino, play 10 bucks, 25 bucks a hand, and play a weekend on a thousand bucks.. online I would be lucky to last an hour. FACT.

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    I don't need to prove anything. If I lost always and thought it was rigged I would agree with you 100%. My point is I do not lose all the time online and usually grind out a profit from it. No different to me than a land based casino blackjack. That is all. People just seem to go on bad runs which happens with any blackjack and then want to scream that it is rigged. Just do not see it. Why would these books want to jeopardize their business by running crooked games? They are already making a profit from it.

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    And I am not a douchebag. I am an A hole there is a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by themike78 View Post
    I don't need to prove anything. If I lost always and thought it was rigged I would agree with you 100%. My point is I do not lose all the time online and usually grind out a profit from it. No different to me than a land based casino blackjack. That is all. People just seem to go on bad runs which happens with any blackjack and then want to scream that it is rigged. Just do not see it. Why would these books want to jeopardize their business by running crooked games? They are already making a profit from it.
    I have posted a TON of hands on here showing the insanity . If you look at them (A lot from DSI and Sportbet) you can see there if something going on. If i ever had a streak like the hands the dealer gets i would be rich.

    I think the Fillet has it right regarding the size of the bets. If you bet $1 or $2 dollars you can probably eek out a bit. If you look at all the stuff i posted the insanity comes when you up your bets or start chasing.

    That is a fair question to ask why do people play if they know it is rigged. Years ago i got in a lot of trouble it was basically just an addiction that you cannot win at. So i blocked most casinos . Sometimes it is because someone wants to round something off . They got me several times like that. If you have $4980 you figure i only need $20 to get to $5000 that should be easy. In a real casino i would do it 99 out of 100 times. Online you will lose every hand until you start chasing and next thing you know it is all gone. I do not play anywhere as much as i used to though. Unless it is free bonus cash or something.

    I blocked Youwagers casino years ago it was so bad. But the Live is still there and i play there once in awhile. I have actually won there but those few times were early AM when there was noone there. If you play at peak hours you will see these LBC or whatever they are there. They are ALWAYS there except early AM hours. They go from table to table. There is no doubt in my mind they are plants. I do not know what they are doing but when they are there i will get 12-17 every hand. Dealer will pull 20-21 out their ass every other hand . If i bet heavier i can even call when it will happen it has happened so many times . Plus, when these LBC people are there you will also start to see betters that bet insane amounts. The last time i was flanked by 2 LBC people and this guy came in. He bet $20000 a hand . Who the hell bets that on a virtual casino? Of course he wins every hand with 20s and BJs and i will never see a decent hand the whole time. I am not the only one that has noticed this with the LBC people too.

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    I have a bunch of hand histories from 5dimes that I never got around to doing stats on.

    Anyone want it? I don't know how to sort out all the info myself.

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    just played on facebook believe it or not was worse than DSI....400k gone in 20 minutes. Good thing not real.

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    up $600 on heritage past 12 hours off $100, put it all on cavs series line before i go back in there and blow it lol. At least I got some action of the next 2 weeks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenyatta 19-1 View Post
    up $600 on heritage past 12 hours off $100, put it all on cavs series line before i go back in there and blow it lol. At least I got some action of the next 2 weeks
    nice! good call, those winnings surely would have got wiped out, sooner than later + deposit + re-deposit lol.

    i remember how bad i wished i had made some french open futures with what they stole from me. ahh well at least i don't have to watch tennis for weeks

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