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    Quote Originally Posted by themike78 View Post
    Oh my god I just lost 3 hands in a row. Rigggggedddddddddd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!
    Grow up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superhans View Post
    Why would they bother to fix something that they already have the edge on?

    Play 1000 £1 hands of perfect blackjack and you'll win close to 49% of your hands. Guaranteed
    Cause riggin would ensure that nobody beats them big, while they are trying to build their bank? it;s not like football where they have both sides, they only have one, so if some aggressive player gets hot, it can hurt a small book

    i dont think THEY rig anything, i think it's blackjack software, it's just different than the real flow of a game.


    Actually, if you double on soft hands and know how to handle soft hands, the odds go to a near 50/50 chance

    The main reason the casino wins is because they have more money than you do. You win a few thousand they announce it, crank open some champagne, trying to show the other patrons that SOMEBODY won, but when you lose a few thousand, your done, at least for the night. And of course, the fact that you must bust first, protecting them from busting.

    If you dont hit, you take that advantage away from them.



    But dont think for one minute that 1000 hands is enough for real odds to show. You could lose 40 hands in a row, i know I have, the dealer has gotten 5 blackjacks in a row, while I have never seen that in person, EVER.

    I also think alot of people hold on 17 too much. Your not going to beat a dealer in most cases unless you have 20, at least, i almost never win when holding on 17, it's hard to do, but i beliueve you have a better chance of winning not holding on 17 when dealer has 10

    but the house edge is not even 1% when all hands are played perfectly.

    but if so close, why ar eplayers down 200 300 400 in 10 minutes, almost everytime you play?

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    It's so rigged I don't even feel safe with anything lower than a 20.

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    Another way they get you online are with the face cards. If the dealer is going to have a 14 and one is a face card-you will almost always see that face card making the player think they may have a 20. So you end up hitting and going over. Then if you hold because you keep getting screwed over and over you will see that delay i talked about before and either almost always go over with a face card or get an exact 21 .

    Like someone said once in awhile if you play like a person with dementia you can maybe win a short time i think it throws off the program for some reason . It wont last though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doin The Hedges View Post
    Cause riggin would ensure that nobody beats them big, while they are trying to build their bank? it;s not like football where they have both sides, they only have one, so if some aggressive player gets hot, it can hurt a small book

    i dont think THEY rig anything, i think it's blackjack software, it's just different than the real flow of a game.


    Actually, if you double on soft hands and know how to handle soft hands, the odds go to a near 50/50 chance

    The main reason the casino wins is because they have more money than you do. You win a few thousand they announce it, crank open some champagne, trying to show the other patrons that SOMEBODY won, but when you lose a few thousand, your done, at least for the night. And of course, the fact that you must bust first, protecting them from busting.

    If you dont hit, you take that advantage away from them.



    But dont think for one minute that 1000 hands is enough for real odds to show. You could lose 40 hands in a row, i know I have, the dealer has gotten 5 blackjacks in a row, while I have never seen that in person, EVER.

    I also think alot of people hold on 17 too much. Your not going to beat a dealer in most cases unless you have 20, at least, i almost never win when holding on 17, it's hard to do, but i beliueve you have a better chance of winning not holding on 17 when dealer has 10

    but the house edge is not even 1% when all hands are played perfectly.

    but if so close, why ar eplayers down 200 300 400 in 10 minutes, almost everytime you play?
    They are mostly too i think 3rd party. So the SB i think has them take care of the casino end of it. I once in two totally different books not associated at all have the exact same casino stuff. Even the live dealers were exactly the same .

    I think and this is totally a guess- that the casino does not even charge the SB to do all this. I think they just want to split the losses with them and why would a book not jump at that. And if they are getting the losses that is why it would be so rigged. Just as they can make you lose though they can also make you win if they want. At DSI i wrote in to complain and sent them my history. A guy sent back an e-mail and asked for my account number. I thought maybe they were giving me some cash back or something. What they did is put the program on normal mode because the next time i went in there it was totally different. Lasted maybe an hour.

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    Bandito. Hey \*\*\*\*\*\* I didnt start the name calling. You are the fukin idiot thowing a tantrum. Grow the fuk up f\*g boy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ha ha ha ha ha

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    How am I throwing a temper tantrum. I was just stating that you are some kind of paranoid conspiracy theorist to think that it is rigged. Maybe borderline schizophrenic that is all. I am happy with it and love online blackjack. That is it that is all. I am done commenting on your childish name calling posts. Later douchebag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by themike78 View Post
    I am happy with it and love online blackjack.

    You love swallowing tool and are happy with that also, but that doesn't make it right. Let me guess, you just won another $500 again while typing that pathetic retort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandito97 View Post
    You love swallowing tool and are happy with that also, but that doesn't make it right. Let me guess, you just won another $500 again while typing that pathetic retort.
    I have to admit as soon as i read that i was in kind of shock. I do not think i have ever seen someone say they Love Online Blackjack. maybe he is talking about a casino online that does not have a Sportsbook? I was basically just talking about Sportbooks with casinos in them . I cannot see someone saying they love the BJ on a sportsbooks casino and i they did i would think they worked for a Sportsbook. Here in NJ you can go onto a casino without Sports maybe that is what he was talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by captrobey View Post
    I have to admit as soon as i read that i was in kind of shock. I do not think i have ever seen someone say they Love Online Blackjack. maybe he is talking about a casino online that does not have a Sportsbook? I was basically just talking about Sportbooks with casinos in them . I cannot see someone saying they love the BJ on a sportsbooks casino and i they did i would think they worked for a Sportsbook. Here in NJ you can go onto a casino without Sports maybe that is what he was talking about?
    No, he ALWAYS says it's the Youwager casino he's playing at and winning in. One of his first posts in this thread says Youwager again and he does it on every online casino bashing thread that comes along. Everybody has the same results except him and obviously he's a liar. I hate resorting to the last two replies to this guy but the way he was carrying on was a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandito97 View Post
    No, he ALWAYS says it's the Youwager casino he's playing at and winning in. One of his first posts in this thread says Youwager again and he does it on every online casino bashing thread that comes along. Everybody has the same results except him and obviously he's a liar. I hate resorting to the last two replies to this guy but the way he was carrying on was a joke.
    Youwager i had to shut down the virtual because it was so bad ways back . I still have the Live casino and i do not even trust that with some weird things that have happened in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captrobey View Post
    Youwager i had to shut down the virtual because it was so bad ways back . I still have the Live casino and i do not even trust that with some weird things that have happened in there.

    I received the usual blackjack beatdowns from them for a little while but stopped playing there about 3 or 4 years ago. I'm not saying it's impossible to get lucky and jump in for a few hands and win a couple, but if you sit down for any kind of session in any one of these books it's the same pattern of results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaabee View Post
    The jumping and pause are just how the graphics run. The RNG controls the cards. The graphics are just for show.
    23 replies for common sense. At least it eventually came, internet.

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    Do losers equate "rigged" with the posted, obvious, common knowledge, etc. fact the house has an advantage? Of course they'll win more than you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by reigle9 View Post
    Do losers equate "rigged" with the posted, obvious, common knowledge, etc. fact the house has an advantage? Of course they'll win more than you...
    You aren't comprehending what is being said. Nobody is expecting to sit down and kick the dealer's ass everytime they play. It's the ridiculous, unnatural process of results that occurs online as opposed to land casinos. I'm not sitting here talking about graphics, speed of cards or jumping chips or coins. We are talking about the actual results and how a player is continuously beaten the same way repeatedly.

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    From my own personal experience, EVERYTIME I'd accept an email offer for a free chip to try a casino, I'd always hit the jackpot. ALWAYS! By the same token, have never in my life hit a jackpot with my own money ... NEVER! If you don't think they're rigged, then get your head out. So, the max cashout on a free chip offer is typically $100 after meeting rollover and other cashout requirements. EVERYTIME I'd meet all requirements to cashout and request the $, not one ever paid. They always make up something to deny paying. ALWAYS! Usually it's them telling me that I already tried the offer like many years ago with one of their other affiliates, and though never cashed out anything then, they swindle out of paying claiming I was ineligible for the free chip I just used that won

    My first response to them naturally is, if I wasn't eligible, why then did you send me the offer that I was? I then get some retarded answer like they just send the offer via a mass email marketing campaign, and they have no way of scrubbing the email list from those who are no longer eligible. Their lame excuses are such unethical lies, there can be NO doubt they are rigged. If you know I'm not eligible upon requesting the cashout, how can you not know that you shouldn't have sent me the offer in the first place? If you're only eligible for the offer onetime, then once you get the offer, very easily and simply you should be taken off the list of getting the offer again, right? Unless, forgive me, but maybe I'm a moron. The truth is, they knowingly send the offer to folks they know are not eligible as a marketing ploy, and/or they know that they'll never honor a payout in any case.

    The irony is, if I got a free offer, actually won and got paid, I'd think the casino was a legit fun place to play and would redeposit with them and give them my business. Isn't that what the marketing campaign is about? Obviously not. What is for sure, is that if you send me an offer and do not honor it, I'd never deposit with you, trust you, nor have anything nice to say about you. For Pete's sake, if you're a financially strong casino and fail to honor an offer that enabled someone to enjoy winning a measly hundred bucks, you NO doubt are rigged! So either it's not rigged that I can always turn a free $25 chip into over $1,000 by hitting jackpots which the place knows it's NEVER going to payout, or it is rigged. YOU decide!

    Frankly, if you entrust your $ to online animated video games run by people you you don't know and you never will (call any one of them and ask them the name of the owner and see what they tell you), and who never will publicly disclose their financial records, then you are a natural born sucker. The remedy for me is I play online casinos with fun money, so I can enjoy watching the lights flash and bells ring, etc., without risking losing 1 penny. Sure, I can't win a penny either, but chances are with any casino is that you're going to lose. The chances of losing with fun money is 0%, and so if you don't risk it you can't lose it, and if you do risk it you're probably going to lose it. Tough enough to win at a legit brick 'n mortar casino. Trying to win at playing online animated video games, is like trying to push a snowball uphill during the summer in the desert. BEWARE of evaporation.
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    chips prob don't jump but common sense says its rigged anyway. Even the little 50 cent solitaire is rigged its impossible to win even with that.

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    I've won (and lost) a decent amount on this software, even recently got lucky at Northbet and won pretty big. Not saying the software isn't streaky, the RNG probably has bugs but it's NOT rigged to make you lose. At least not all the time, sometimes you're in god mode and can't lose a hand, others you can't win a hand. It is weird as it always seems to be constantly winning or losing, so maybe the RNG has a bug but it's not intentionally rigged so you can't win. And really we're all degens, not like they need to rig the casino to get our money when we're drunk.

    The software Bovada uses seems much more random like playing in a real casino. If you enjoy trying to break even after a bad night in sports with some degen drunk late night blackjack you should give Bovada a try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandito97 View Post
    You aren't comprehending what is being said. Nobody is expecting to sit down and kick the dealer's ass everytime they play. It's the ridiculous, unnatural process of results that occurs online as opposed to land casinos. I'm not sitting here talking about graphics, speed of cards or jumping chips or coins. We are talking about the actual results and how a player is continuously beaten the same way repeatedly.
    The post before was my reply to the thread. What you quoted was just a random thought. I don't need internet tards to explain shit to me, bro.

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    Money at an online casino, is like snow in the summertime, evaporates into thin air right before thine own eyes. Unless you like seeing your own money evaporate, I'd stay away from online animated video games if I were you.

    For me, if I know who the owner(s) of the casino is, along with the company publicly disclosing its financial records, and has a gaming license issued by a reputable gaming authority, then there can be trust. Otherwise, you're more likely to trust a nuclear deal with Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kindred View Post
    I've won (and lost) a decent amount on this software, even recently got lucky at Northbet and won pretty big. Not saying the software isn't streaky, the RNG probably has bugs but it's NOT rigged to make you lose. At least not all the time, sometimes you're in god mode and can't lose a hand, others you can't win a hand. It is weird as it always seems to be constantly winning or losing, so maybe the RNG has a bug but it's not intentionally rigged so you can't win. And really we're all degens, not like they need to rig the casino to get our money when we're drunk.

    The software Bovada uses seems much more random like playing in a real casino. If you enjoy trying to break even after a bad night in sports with some degen drunk late night blackjack you should give Bovada a try.
    What do you have to back up your opinion that they're not rigged, that you're in God mode and can't lose? What does that mean exactly? Please define that one to us if you can, as I have no clue. Let me guess, hmmm "in God mode and can't lose" so you played 18 hours straight, won 900 hands in a row, and had a cashier's check overnighted to you for over $100K?

    As far as pimpin Bovada, why have something to do with a place that involved the dirty rotten scoundrel bodog's Calvin Ayre who absconded from the authorities? That bodog.com web address still looks scary to this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reigle9 View Post
    The post before was my reply to the thread. What you quoted was just a random thought. I don't need internet tards to explain shit to me, bro.
    I don't really give a shit what was your reply or a random thought. My reply was to your rigged comment as you seem to be too tarded to put it together. Now climb off your boyfriend's dick, wipe the jizz off your face and go play internet tough guy with your chatroom buddies, bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandito97 View Post
    I don't really give a shit what was your reply or a random thought. My reply was to your rigged comment as you seem to be too tarded to put it together. Now climb off your boyfriend's dick, wipe the jizz off your face and go play internet tough guy with your chatroom buddies, bro.
    lol

    1. You should. Then you could understand simple things.
    2. Yes, the retarded one is the person with the easy life and not the one losing a buck at a time at online BJ while getting pissed off about it.
    3. Not sure how I was being tough, but if you'd like to jerk off to my pics I can post them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandito97 View Post
    No, he ALWAYS says it's the Youwager casino he's playing at and winning in. One of his first posts in this thread says Youwager again and he does it on every online casino bashing thread that comes along. Everybody has the same results except him and obviously he's a liar. I hate resorting to the last two replies to this guy but the way he was carrying on was a joke.
    Youwager casino is a joke. I just lost a crapload(My own fault) in the live casino. As always dealer either gets a face card or the rare times they do not they pull a 20 or 21 out of their ass. When they go into that mode those lbc or whatever they are come in there . They are plants because they are always in there going from table to table. I do not know what they are up to but it gets worse when they are there. On top of all this a guy named mickymarsenol or something like that goes in there and is betting $15000 a hand. WTF am i supposed to believe there is someone actually doing this legit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandito97 View Post
    You aren't comprehending what is being said. Nobody is expecting to sit down and kick the dealer's ass everytime they play. It's the ridiculous, unnatural process of results that occurs online as opposed to land casinos. I'm not sitting here talking about graphics, speed of cards or jumping chips or coins. We are talking about the actual results and how a player is continuously beaten the same way repeatedly.
    The very best way to understand the nuances of a specific RNG is to sit down for 1000 hands. No more, no less and actually analyze the results. You'd be amazed how fair and "un-fixed" the game is. Some software can alter decks mid game, but for the most part DGS does not operate that way. Meaning, its more difficult to manipulate the game during play. Another aspect people forget to mention is selective memory. Mainly, forgetting your blackjack's and remembering the dealers! There are hardcore casino players that have their own websites dedicated to understanding online casino physics and results. I have my own theory regarding the game that I brought up with an operator once. He told me I was nuts, but after playing the same software and getting a good handle of what's coming, how could you not feel a tad...deja vu? Remember, the software is not human, its generating scenarios that mimic real casino games and the house's edge. It's math, nothing sexy and rarely streaky for the player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InsiderHer View Post
    The very best way to understand the nuances of a specific RNG is to sit down for 1000 hands. No more, no less and actually analyze the results. You'd be amazed how fair and "un-fixed" the game is. Some software can alter decks mid game, but for the most part DGS does not operate that way. Meaning, its more difficult to manipulate the game during play. Another aspect people forget to mention is selective memory. Mainly, forgetting your blackjack's and remembering the dealers! There are hardcore casino players that have their own websites dedicated to understanding online casino physics and results. I have my own theory regarding the game that I brought up with an operator once. He told me I was nuts, but after playing the same software and getting a good handle of what's coming, how could you not feel a tad...deja vu? Remember, the software is not human, its generating scenarios that mimic real casino games and the house's edge. It's math, nothing sexy and rarely streaky for the player.

    I'm not going to argue with anyone anymore regarding this online blackjack, its pointless. I've been playing these online tables for the past 8 years and have played 1000 upon 1000's of hands at quite a few different books. I'm not quoting these results from my mind or what I think may be happening. I do actually analyze the results. I go to the history, scroll it or print it out and actually go through it hand by hand so i'm not assuming anything at all. I realize the software isn't human, its a PROGRAM that is designed to produce the results it is set up to create. It doesn't come remotely close to mimicking a land based casino and is hardly random generated. The actual results produced are what cause me to study the history and why I earlier posted on this thread the scenarios that ALWAYS occur online but have NEVER seen occur in a real live casino in all my time going to them. Random generated would mean exactly that. The dealer can win 19 hands in a row so should the player at least once in a blue moon. That's not the case. I have never won anywhere close to a streak like that but the dealer will do it consistently. I study the results and see the dealer say out of 25 times it took cards, it busted 3 times. I take cards 25 times, I bust 20 times. Over and over and over again. That NEVER happens in a real casino. I understand perfect strategy, basic strategy and flying by the seat of your pants. It doesn't matter when the dealer has a 20 at a 4:1 ratio to the player, there is no strategy for that. As captrobey mentioned before, the dealer without question, almost always has a face card being either a 10 or a picture card and that strongly dictates the results. Another person mentioned in this thread about not feeling safe holding a 20. I couldn't agree more because a good 8 out of 10 times the dealer will match it or beat it with a 21 whether the face card it has is a 10 or a 2. The conversion rate the online dealer has to make a shit hand a winner is astronomical compared to real casino. Again I will say, it is possible to pop in for only 5 hands and get lucky enough to win 2 or 3 at that time. But if you sit for an extended session such as you suggested say 1000 hands, 500 hands 300 give or take, the results are always the same. You will find yourself playing from behind the whole time, going back and forth and never quite getting back to where you started until it goes into let's zero this player's balance mode because that equals the book getting another deposit. The actual process of the results and HOW you are losing becomes more frustrating than actually losing the money itself. For every person that comes on trying to defend this scenario, there is 100 who deal with the same thing repeatedly. If you are lucky enough to somehow be the oddity that wins while playing, more power to you. But nobody will ever convince me it is random and legit, never.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandito97 View Post
    I'm not going to argue with anyone anymore regarding this online blackjack, its pointless. I've been playing these online tables for the past 8 years and have played 1000 upon 1000's of hands at quite a few different books. I'm not quoting these results from my mind or what I think may be happening. I do actually analyze the results. I go to the history, scroll it or print it out and actually go through it hand by hand so i'm not assuming anything at all. I realize the software isn't human, its a PROGRAM that is designed to produce the results it is set up to create. It doesn't come remotely close to mimicking a land based casino and is hardly random generated. The actual results produced are what cause me to study the history and why I earlier posted on this thread the scenarios that ALWAYS occur online but have NEVER seen occur in a real live casino in all my time going to them. Random generated would mean exactly that. The dealer can win 19 hands in a row so should the player at least once in a blue moon. That's not the case. I have never won anywhere close to a streak like that but the dealer will do it consistently. I study the results and see the dealer say out of 25 times it took cards, it busted 3 times. I take cards 25 times, I bust 20 times. Over and over and over again. That NEVER happens in a real casino. I understand perfect strategy, basic strategy and flying by the seat of your pants. It doesn't matter when the dealer has a 20 at a 4:1 ratio to the player, there is no strategy for that. As captrobey mentioned before, the dealer without question, almost always has a face card being either a 10 or a picture card and that strongly dictates the results. Another person mentioned in this thread about not feeling safe holding a 20. I couldn't agree more because a good 8 out of 10 times the dealer will match it or beat it with a 21 whether the face card it has is a 10 or a 2. The conversion rate the online dealer has to make a shit hand a winner is astronomical compared to real casino. Again I will say, it is possible to pop in for only 5 hands and get lucky enough to win 2 or 3 at that time. But if you sit for an extended session such as you suggested say 1000 hands, 500 hands 300 give or take, the results are always the same. You will find yourself playing from behind the whole time, going back and forth and never quite getting back to where you started until it goes into let's zero this player's balance mode because that equals the book getting another deposit. The actual process of the results and HOW you are losing becomes more frustrating than actually losing the money itself. For every person that comes on trying to defend this scenario, there is 100 who deal with the same thing repeatedly. If you are lucky enough to somehow be the oddity that wins while playing, more power to you. But nobody will ever convince me it is random and legit, never.
    Beautifully Said. I wish i could have video taped the session where i lost everything in the Live casino at Youwager. That one point where you said even when you get a 20 (Which is next to never when it gets weird) you are still expecting to lose because the dealer will pull a 20 or 21 out of their ass. I actually had a chance with a large bet to double down . I did and had a 20. Dealer had a 4. Sure enough-dealer gets 21 with like 6 cards. At this point dealer had pulled a 20 or 21 5 hands in a row . Out of like 25 hands i lost everything and i won 2 hands.

    I should have just left because all the signs were there. I was flanked by not one but two of those LBC guys or whatever they are . I know they are plants they are always there. The only time i win some is when they are not there and not too many players are there like maybe 1 or 2 AM . Then there was a guy betting $15000 a hand . That in itself was crazy he had to be another plant to make people think if they bet heavier they can win big amounts like him. Who the hell bets $15000 in a single hand of ONLINE BJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandito97 View Post
    I'm not going to argue with anyone anymore regarding this online blackjack, its pointless. I've been playing these online tables for the past 8 years and have played 1000 upon 1000's of hands at quite a few different books. I'm not quoting these results from my mind or what I think may be happening. I do actually analyze the results. I go to the history, scroll it or print it out and actually go through it hand by hand so i'm not assuming anything at all. I realize the software isn't human, its a PROGRAM that is designed to produce the results it is set up to create. It doesn't come remotely close to mimicking a land based casino and is hardly random generated. The actual results produced are what cause me to study the history and why I earlier posted on this thread the scenarios that ALWAYS occur online but have NEVER seen occur in a real live casino in all my time going to them. Random generated would mean exactly that. The dealer can win 19 hands in a row so should the player at least once in a blue moon. That's not the case. I have never won anywhere close to a streak like that but the dealer will do it consistently. I study the results and see the dealer say out of 25 times it took cards, it busted 3 times. I take cards 25 times, I bust 20 times. Over and over and over again. That NEVER happens in a real casino. I understand perfect strategy, basic strategy and flying by the seat of your pants. It doesn't matter when the dealer has a 20 at a 4:1 ratio to the player, there is no strategy for that. As captrobey mentioned before, the dealer without question, almost always has a face card being either a 10 or a picture card and that strongly dictates the results. Another person mentioned in this thread about not feeling safe holding a 20. I couldn't agree more because a good 8 out of 10 times the dealer will match it or beat it with a 21 whether the face card it has is a 10 or a 2. The conversion rate the online dealer has to make a shit hand a winner is astronomical compared to real casino. Again I will say, it is possible to pop in for only 5 hands and get lucky enough to win 2 or 3 at that time. But if you sit for an extended session such as you suggested say 1000 hands, 500 hands 300 give or take, the results are always the same. You will find yourself playing from behind the whole time, going back and forth and never quite getting back to where you started until it goes into let's zero this player's balance mode because that equals the book getting another deposit. The actual process of the results and HOW you are losing becomes more frustrating than actually losing the money itself. For every person that comes on trying to defend this scenario, there is 100 who deal with the same thing repeatedly. If you are lucky enough to somehow be the oddity that wins while playing, more power to you. But nobody will ever convince me it is random and legit, never.
    First, I am in no way defending online casino software nor the operators that use them. I also disagree that the outcome is always the same, that is simply not the case. Nearly impossible to replicate the exact same 1000 hand outcome. I agree short burst of play can help the player win money and its best to cash out right away. I also agree dealer combinations are often crazy, nuts even. What I'm saying, is that I have analyzed the data many times before and found it to be less toxic than I thought. If at anytime you feel something is amiss in terms of online casino play, request the play history. I'm not Mike the soapbox casino is not fixed you're all crazy guy, I'm speaking from first account experience. I can tell you that its random in a sense and not rigged in a sense. Its a non-human math driven probability program that has numbers plugged into to it. A guy alluded to LIVE PLAY being rigged, that's crazy. Considering everything is in front of you I know that its not. I once played Vegas and lost $5000 in about 30 minutes of play. I play black jack the correct way and the guy next to me had over 15 black jacks, how did I get so unlucky? I have seen disgusting combinations from the dealer to beat my 20 many times, so your argument that its does not happen in live casino's is not true. If you don't like mechanical casino software, don't play it! Bet sports, have fun! FYI, I have 19 years of casino experience both online and in real life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captrobey View Post
    Beautifully Said. I wish i could have video taped the session where i lost everything in the Live casino at Youwager. That one point where you said even when you get a 20 (Which is next to never when it gets weird) you are still expecting to lose because the dealer will pull a 20 or 21 out of their ass. I actually had a chance with a large bet to double down . I did and had a 20. Dealer had a 4. Sure enough-dealer gets 21 with like 6 cards. At this point dealer had pulled a 20 or 21 5 hands in a row . Out of like 25 hands i lost everything and i won 2 hands.

    I should have just left because all the signs were there. I was flanked by not one but two of those LBC guys or whatever they are . I know they are plants they are always there. The only time i win some is when they are not there and not too many players are there like maybe 1 or 2 AM . Then there was a guy betting $15000 a hand . That in itself was crazy he had to be another plant to make people think if they bet heavier they can win big amounts like him. Who the hell bets $15000 in a single hand of ONLINE BJ.
    Big time BJ players exist, its odd two of them would be with you at one sitting though... In terms of losing everything, how many hands did you play. I always bring a big stack to the table to stomach lean runs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InsiderHer View Post
    Big time BJ players exist, its odd two of them would be with you at one sitting though... In terms of losing everything, how many hands did you play. I always bring a big stack to the table to stomach lean runs.
    Yea but at an online game? Yes i agree i know they do exist but i have only seen them a real casinos not online. Plus the limit was supposed to be $5000 . True also that there were two of those lbc guys there oh but just so you know they were not the ones betting the $15000 it was another guy who did it over and over.

    I was in there awhile i lost a big amount winning only 2 hands . I started smaller then after losing god knows how many in a row(Which happens often here going dealers way) i started to chase. I have played in the live casino there a lot (Lesser now because i do not trust it) and i always see this stuff happen over and over even when you switch tables it still is happening.

    I have won a couple times in there but it was at hours that noone else was there (No Lbc guys) . But i am normally not up at the really early hours.

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    Without a large sample to actually analyze (player strategy on top of it), the it just turns into speculation (the poker thread is filled with these)

    "If the dealer shows this...almost always XYZ"

    When you can bang out multiple hands per minute (online), the possibility of streaks (some good, most horrifically bad) just increase.

    http://wizardofodds.com/ask-the-wiza...k/probability/

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    Quote Originally Posted by themike78 View Post
    ok to all the haters of me. Check this out. If I lost all the time and felt that it was rigged I would agree with you. But Ive play online for over 10 years with the dgs casino or whatever they call it and it seems fine to me. Yeah of course I do not win every hand but it has been the same to me as a land based casino. I just think people overreact. They will lose 5 or 10 hands in a row and claim its rigged. Same thing with online poker players. Oh he caught an ace on the river I work for the website they claim. Are you fukin serious its called a bad beat.
    Quote Originally Posted by themike78 View Post
    and all this b.s. stats you guys claim prove in fukin paper that you played 100 hands and won only 2 hands. Really? Its called exageration and frustration for going on a bad run.
    Quote Originally Posted by themike78 View Post
    Like I said I have no reason to promote online blackjack. I just do not see how these places have some secret trick to make you lose on their site with the casino. If you feel that way than do not fukin play it. Fuk people claim the N.B.A is rigged which its not, only college is but they still bet on it.
    Quote Originally Posted by themike78 View Post
    and yes while I am typing these responses I just made another 20 dollars on the youwager blackjack casino. But it might be rigggggged. Maybe its a conspiracy??? Maybe they are reading my posts and letting me win.
    Quote Originally Posted by themike78 View Post
    Oh dam I had a 10 and the dealer was showing a 6. I just doubled down and lost. Its fukin riggeddddd. Give me a fukin break.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InsiderHer View Post
    If at anytime you feel something is amiss in terms of online casino play, request the play history.
    Like I stated, I cannot argue back and forth anymore. I specifically stated in my last post that I get the history and go through it hand by hand and the results I always bring up are based on exactly that, the ACTUAL history in black and white. You keep wanting to defend that it is actually fair programming that is really random in what is generated. I don't believe it for one second as I believe it generates exactly the results it wants to even when it generates a winning hand for the player. All pre-determined. Another guy just came on and mentioned sample size. Like I stated, it is based on years and 1000's of hands, not my last 10 hand stretch. I cannot go through it anymore because like i said, it's pointless because nobody seems to read what was said and comes back with something i already covered. Everybody has an opinion and it is their right. Actually, I barely play it anymore, maybe once every few months if i'm bored and I make my next deposit as soon as i'm done. I just can't resist the urge when I see these threads to give MY opinion. I'm out on this one, good luck and enjoy.

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    Just dumped $2,432 on Northbet BJ, called and asked for a reload bonus and they had mercy on me telling me I qualified for $500 free but not until Saturday..yeah I'm drunk lol. But for them to give me free money, not want my deposit, and make me wait until Sat. says why the penetrate would they rig the game..I have my cc in my hand ready to go just give me some kinda bonus

    True story, now gotta find my drunk ass a casino so I can break even

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandito97 View Post
    Like I stated, I cannot argue back and forth anymore. I specifically stated in my last post that I get the history and go through it hand by hand.
    Link to a spreadsheet with a few thousands hands and allow for independent analysis

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