[dantheman81]

I live in USA.

I hear I can block my IP and open accounts with all the bookies.

IDK how to do this or how I would even send them them the money or get it sent back to me after I win.

I also could move to another country which I am willing to do but I am not college educated or have a trade so other than being accepted for a vacation most countries will not allow you to legally work even if they approve of you coming for a vacation.

I am looking for someone nice and cool who can help me and tell me what to do.

I am more than willing to move out of USA if that is what it takes.

Thanks,

Dan

[dantheman81]

Do not a single one of you have experience with this or even have a reference I can look at or talk to?

Do any of you even make money each month with arbitrage/surebets?

[shaunovery]

Pretty sure there's threads on arbing I don't arb but I trade on betfair

[dantheman81]

I want to talk to people who actually do it monthly and make most of their income from it and can help me to do it.

[shaunovery]

You ain't gonna make enough from arbing if you're from the states

[dantheman81]

I said I am willing to move to a new country.

[dealer wins]

Flipping burgers will pay you more

[bobtoma]

Ask Brock Landers...

[dantheman81]

Flipping burgers will pay you more

If you don't know anything about the subject do not reply.

I am willing to move to any country where I can do it if it comes down to it but I need help from someone who does it professionally.

[chachi]

UK or such probably best base in terms of country being viewed as bookie friendly, avoid E. Europe obviously

[dantheman81]

UK or such probably best base in terms of country being viewed as bookie friendly, avoid E. Europe obviously

E.Europe?

England is good only pinnacle sports will not accept them but I would have a few problems going there.

I assume the pinnacle thing is a temp problem.

#1. They would only give me a temp v i s a to visit.

I would not be able to legally work even though they have illegal workers in their country.An illegal American worker in England sounds funny to me but prob not the them.

#2.I don't know anyone there or have anywhere to live.

Minor problem?

#3.I will not have enough money to do it full time when I get there.

I will need to work 40-60 hours a week and do it slowly which is cool with me but in 6 months my v i s a will run out.

What do you think I should do?

[relaaxx]

before Neteller closing for US customers it was possible to arb and make a living doing it from the US. bonus money was everywhere and along with sites like pinnacle it would have been easy money. now in the US it's just not worth the small change. and i would guess that even if you are not in the US, the bonus money is not nearly as easy to get and rollover as it use to be. moving money is harder and expensive. new rules keep coming up making it less profitable for gamblers offshore. if you want to gamble that's one thing. pick a great book that has been around a long time and people here say how good they are, deposit and i hope you win big gambling..if you just want to make money easy. well i don't know what to tell you. maybe you can still arb from another country and make easy money. i doubt it. i don't think anyone is going to just try to explain arbing and how they do it today on a public forum. if i was able to do it and make easy money and plenty of it i would not be in a public forum bragging to everyone how. sorry i could not help you out more. good luck in whatever you decide.

[xtrader]

I can understand a pro arber wanted to move but you are just starting and without a good bankroll. I doubt it would be easy to find a place to live in the UK while " on vacation", unless it's a short let. Arbing it's gonna get tough once most books limit you, and they will.

[dantheman81]

before Neteller closing for US customers it was possible to arb and make a living doing it from the US. bonus money was everywhere and along with sites like pinnacle it would have been easy money. now in the US it's just not worth the small change. and i would guess that even if you are not in the US, the bonus money is not nearly as easy to get and rollover as it use to be. moving money is harder and expensive. new rules keep coming up making it less profitable for gamblers offshore. if you want to gamble that's one thing. pick a great book that has been around a long time and people here say how good they are, deposit and i hope you win big gambling..if you just want to make money easy. well i don't know what to tell you. maybe you can still arb from another country and make easy money. i doubt it. i don't think anyone is going to just try to explain arbing and how they do it today on a public forum. if i was able to do it and make easy money and plenty of it i would not be in a public forum bragging to everyone how. sorry i could not help you out more. good luck in whatever you decide.

I am willing to go to Canada or any country on the planet but I will have to be able to work.

They have a show called UK Border Force and it is interesting seeing a show about the UK kicking people out.I have yet to see an American get kicked out but I'm not saying they do not.

It seems if you marry someone from England either before you go there or you meet them in England and marry them either there or in another country and come back to England it is much easier to stay and work.

In England and Australia I believe sports arbitrage is tax free.I heard a guy from England say that.

[dantheman81]

I can understand a pro arber wanted to move but you are just starting and without a good bankroll. I doubt it would be easy to find a place to live in the UK while " on vacation", unless it's a short let. Arbing it's gonna get tough once most books limit you, and they will.

You understand what I am saying very good.

That is why I need help.

The difference between me and other people is I am single and I do not have children and I am willing to move anywhere if it means long term doing this will work out.

I just have to be able to work or make money where I move to.

[Stockdale]

Dude don't even bother, arbing is no lucrative opportunity that you can move country to try to do

[sheepgotwool]

Have you even played at a betting exchange before ? Played at a few from mansion to matchbook to betmaker and there were opportunities between 2006 and February of 2013 ! Had good times and made decent money. Things are heading south fast in the offshore business however these days !! Not enough people are posting up (for numerous reasons) and books are hurting. Only a few of the strong remain. Why in the heck would you think about arbing now ?? Even at betfair if you moved to England things are pretty bleak compared to a few years back plus you have no experience arbing. Pros just don't come on forums like this and give out solid advice. Funniest thread i have read on here in awhile.

[relaaxx]

Have you even played at a betting exchange before ? Played at a few from mansion to matchbook to betmaker and there were opportunities between 2006 and February of 2013 ! Had good times and made decent money. Things are heading south fast in the offshore business however these days !! Not enough people are posting up (for numerous reasons) and books are hurting. Only a few of the strong remain. Why in the heck would you think about arbing now ?? Even at betfair if you moved to England things are pretty bleak compared to a few years back plus you have no experience arbing. Pros just don't come on forums like this and give out solid advice. Funniest thread i have read on here in awhile.

for a 1st post this is impressive. hard to believe this is a 1st post guy. but i don't think it's so funny - just someone asking a question who hasn't been doing this years.

[sheepgotwool]

Been playing offshore from US from the late 90's until now. Just very upset how things have become. That is the only reason why i was talking about it being funny because what else can i do but laugh ???????? I would love to have more variations in betting and betting exchanges available for us US guys !!! I love betting and i love exchanges even more !!! It just amazes me how limited options have become so i am upset so when i'm upset i have to smile and laugh anywise i will lose it.

[relaaxx]

Been playing offshore from US from the late 90's until now. Just very upset how things have become. That is the only reason why i was talking about it being funny because what else can i do but laugh ???????? I would love to have more variations in betting and betting exchanges available for us US guys !!! I love betting and i love exchanges even more !!! It just amazes me how limited options have become so i am upset so when i'm upset i have to smile and laugh anywise i will lose it.

you are so right.

[Playon]

I don't do arb betting at all, because bookmarkers will recognize you. Then you'll get limits and finally they kick you out. Of course you could use Pinnacle, Asian bookmarkers and exchanges for surebetting, but there are thousands of hungry arbers who are betting on exactly the same odds that you. So there will be lot of mistakes when trying to get surebet situations >1%.

[bobtoma]

About 10 yrs ago was the Golden Goose era not anymore times done

[dantheman81]

The problem for many of you replying is you are not professional sports arbitrage betters/investors.

As one of you said to me "I don't think anyone is going to just try to explain arbing and how they do it today on a public forum."

That could be a serious problem for me as that is who I want to talk with the most.

If anyone was making thousands per month they would have no need to share the info with anyone or teach others how to.

As for being limited or having your account closed with a bookie that really wouldn't stop me or you either.You could simply have someone in the same city or a family member in an accepted country open an account for you with your money.

I would assume I would need to do this anyway as I could maximize my return as I highly assume they would limit the high roller but I really do not know.If they don't all the better for all of us.

If arbitrage actually works or not you could find out very cheaply.I could send say $25 to $50 to 30 different bookies and just see if I make money regardless of how small the amount.

I am willing to do this now but I live in USA and unless I hide my IP "which I have no idea how to" I need to move to another country.Canada,England and Australia seem like the 3 best so far but I choose those due to the amount of bookies that will accept them and the tax free thing in ENG and AUS.

I read in England and Australia that this is allegedly tax free income.Even a normal sports better online that profits it is tax free in both allegedly if done in a certain context.If this is not true or other countries not mentioned please let me know.I hope in Canada it is tax free but I have no idea.

I am not willing to give up on this until I see solid evidence that it will not work.

[Playon]

If arbitrage actually works or not you could find out very cheaply.I could send say $25 to $50 to 30 different bookies and just see if I make money regardless of how small the amount.

Definitely you can easily earn money by arbing with 10-100$, for exam betting on 50$ - 50$ situations where you earn maybe 2-5$ sure money. I doubt if that would be enough for living even if you'd find those situations a lot. And when trying to earn more...you will face limits, closed accounts, quickly dropping odds, wrong odds and all that shit. You can search arbs that oddscomparisons do not find, but you find them rarely. Also you should be able to find surebet situations Big bookmarker - Big bookmarker, but you mostly find Big bookmarker - Bet365 (0.2€ limits). You can try arbing by laying odds in exchange, but its very hard work, not easy money.

[dantheman81]

Definitely you can easily earn money by arbing with 10-100$, for exam betting on 50$ - 50$ situations where you earn maybe 2-5$ sure money. I doubt if that would be enough for living even if you'd find those situations a lot. And when trying to earn more...you will face limits, closed accounts, quickly dropping odds, wrong odds and all that shit. You can search arbs that oddscomparisons do not find, but you find them rarely. Also you should be able to find surebet situations Big bookmarker - Big bookmarker, but you mostly find Big bookmarker - Bet365 (0.2€ limits). You can try arbing by laying odds in exchange, but its very hard work, not easy money.

There is sites and software that claims will tell you what arbs to bet.I read this one guy learned how to find arbs on his own like a pro but he did arbs as his "job" in England.He claimed to do both.

Could someone explain to me the downside of us doing this with a bookie from their point of view?

I mean they put the odds not us.If they make a mistake that is on them not us.

If we lose say 50% of our bets with them why would they care.We could still end up being a losing player with them hypothetically.

I read pinnacle does not care if you arb and they always payout but I have no idea if either are true.

[Texans365]

There is sites and software that claims will tell you what arbs to bet.I read this one guy learned how to find arbs on his own like a pro but he did arbs as his "job" in England.He claimed to do both.

Could someone explain to me the downside of us doing this with a bookie from their point of view?

I mean they put the odds not us.If they make a mistake that is on them not us.

If we lose say 50% of our bets with them why would they care.We could still end up being a losing player with them hypothetically.

I read pinnacle does not care if you arb and they always payout but I have no idea if either are true.

These questions make me smile. To make long story short - DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME & MONEY. PRO-Arbing is very complicated and risky nowadays.

[dantheman81]

These questions make me smile. To make long story short - DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME & MONEY. PRO-Arbing is very complicated and risky nowadays.

It is not that complicated as some claim to do it professionally.

Risky in what way?

Your reply does not add to this at all.

[BAUS]

You're about 10 years too late.

You also don't seem to be in a position to properly "arb":

-live in the USA, Strike 1.
-have no bankroll, Strike 2.
-have little to no understanding of how online sports betting functions, Strike 3.

Everyone who has posted here advising you to not bother is correct. Save yourself the trouble and money and don't bother.

BAUS

[dantheman81]

You're about 10 years too late.

You also don't seem to be in a position to properly "arb":

-live in the USA, Strike 1.
-have no bankroll, Strike 2.
-have little to no understanding of how online sports betting functions, Strike 3.

Everyone who has posted here advising you to not bother is correct. Save yourself the trouble and money and don't bother.

BAUS

#1.Move to new country

#2.Work in new country

#3.Pay a company to tell me what arbs to bet on

[BAUS]

#1.Move to new country

#2.Work in new country

#3.Pay a company to tell me what arbs to bet on

If you have a 20k bankroll, you'll make about $15 per hour. Doesn't seem worth it but good luck.

BAUS

[relaaxx]

from the US - 15 an hour seems high, very high, it just keeps getting worse and worse. hope you are getting everyone's point. we are all just trying to help keep you from wasting a lot of your time for very little money.

[dantheman81]

from the US - 15 an hour seems high, very high, it just keeps getting worse and worse. hope you are getting everyone's point. we are all just trying to help keep you from wasting a lot of your time for very little money.

Where do you come up with these numbers?

How many arbitrage bets have you done before?

[sheepgotwool]

15 an hour may seem more realistic in Canada or vegas. That is what he must be referring to. Only other way to arb is if you have a local bookie with off lines. Anyone know how Silver state exchange is in Nevada ? The nitrogen sports bitcoin exchange was a total bust !!!

[relaaxx]

Where do you come up with these numbers?

How many arbitrage bets have you done before?

i'm done. good luck

[Sawyer]

Do not a single one of you have experience with this or even have a reference I can look at or talk to?
Do any of you even make money each month with arbitrage/surebets?

I'm making good money with arbitrage betting but I must admit Arbitrage business is getting more challenging everyday (but still a very profitable business). As long you have access to profitable softbooks and Pinnacle&asians, you can make arbitrage in any part of the world. Pregame arbing is not easy these days, most arbers switched to live arbing but there's a serious risk level involved in live arbing.