[HeeeHAWWWW]

He did the same thing when we mentioned his wife was friends with Cesar on facebook

Another giant coincidence, no doubt.

Same as all the payments being sent from the same area as otgs admin, bobby, and 3 other shills.

[Trident]

Let me see if I have this right. You troll this site for over 5 years. You can't afford the $100 to be pro & support SBR, let alone bet a faction of the money I have online.

TIA

Damn I wish I could afford the 100 to be just like you, except the stiff part.

[bobbywaves]

They have your facebook and name and address anyways. So they have the info.

But for some reason refuse to post it.

Reason being, they're not scared of you Sperm. But are petrified as a forest of me, & with good reason.

He did the same thing when we mentioned his wife was friends with Cesar on facebook

[bobbywaves]

Same as all the payments being sent from the same area as otgs admin, bobby, and 3 other shills.

Guess it's a small world after all, coincidence no doubt.

According to Donkey's logic...if your neighbor is a thief, that makes you one too.

Take my ban challenge & prove your claims, you're a non pro with absolutely nothing to lose chump.

[bobbywaves]

Damn I wish I could afford the 100

Keep rolling fags in the village, you'll earn that c-note in no time.

[downsouth]

Guess it's a small world after all, coincidence no doubt.

According to Donkey's logic...if your neighbor is a thief, that makes you one too.

Take my ban challenge & prove your claims, you're a non pro with absolutely nothing to lose chump.

The stupid take my ban challenge logic has no merit as this is a "court" of opinion. Of course no hard proof can be found but when enough circumstantial evidence is placed before the group they can and should form there own opinions. So several pieces of "circumstantial evidence exist"
First, you shilled relentlessly for this book before crap hit the fan and the many stiff jobs came out, and not just normal posts of this being a decent book but tons of post of how great they were.
Second, you previously quoted ratings from that known sham ratings site OTGS, you know the one that is owned by the same people pushing 18th/Snakeeyes.
Third, you just so happen to live right next to several of the players involved in the scam.
Fourth, your wife is actually friends with the face of the scam, Caser.
Fifth, everyone who has complained of being stiffed by 18th has there info posted on the OTGS list for all to see except for you, I know you claim its because they know what will happen if they mess with you but honestly Bobbo, I ve seen your info spread across everywhere on various forums by several people including your name, your wife, your kids, address of your shack, ex wives name, her phone number, etc and from my understanding nothing has happened to any of the people that posted your info so why is it different with the 18th/OTGS guys. Is it because you actually know where to find Mr. Burgess and you will kick his ass at next weeks poker game if he posts your info?

Individually, any of the above can be looked at as coincidences but when you put them together it tends to start and paint a picture. Maybe I'm wrong but unless YOU can prove otherwise I would assume most with a semi functioning brain would share a similar belief. While I dont necessarily believe you to be the owner I have a hard time believing you did not have a role great then player/victim.

[bobbywaves]

You're entitled to your opinion, regardless of how clueless it is. You're quoting hearsay as circumstantial evidence. Where's your proof? Your proof is other people posted it, so it must be true. Keep believing everything you read on a forum pal.

My ban challenge absolutely has merit. I'm willing to accept a ban with my 28k+ confiscated if SBR or anyone else can prove I'm the owner or had any business relationship with these sportsbooks, other than playing there & recommending them while I was receiving my winnings. Basically, I'm putting my money where my mouth is. In contrast you have these forum trolls libeling me without a shred of evidence & unwilling to risk a ban, while half of them are non pros & don't support this site as I do.

I filed an SBR complaint for this reason only, to clear my name. As I know SBR can't help retrieve my stolen funds, that was evident during my BetIslands claim. SBR has my sportsbook account #, names of the account manager & general manager I dealt with, & I assume a phone/computer to call/e-mail & confirm.

Once my claim is verified, you can all post your apologies here.

[Mikeyanks23]

Bobby you didn't accept my challenge. Nothing against SBR but you being banned from SBR doesn't get people their money back.

I'm not Sperm/Acl. Several dozen posters across many forums can verify that.

If you want just ask a mod to check ip addresses from myself and Sperm. I give them all the consent in the world to tell you where I'm from.

In fact I can take screen shots of my ip and Sperm/Acl's ip address from another forum and show them to Shari, Downsouth, or optional.

And we can put that Sperm is Mikeyanks thing to rest. That's where you guys screwed up.

How about we make that bet. I prove I'm not sperm and I'll go pro and you give me all your points for a year? If i can't prove it then I'll still go pro and give you all my points for a year.

How about it Bobby. This will put one of your and Cesars lies to rest. And then we can go from there.

[BigdaddyQH]

Are you guys serious? Do you know how easy it is to do most of the crap you guys are bragging about? Need a different ip address? Use a different computer. Duh, that was tough to figure out.

Now we come to the hundreds of you that cry about having your funds stolen. Welcome to the REAL WORLD people. I find it very difficult to see that so many people fall for the same basic scam. You use offshore books which means that it is basically impossible for you to do anything to ccollect monies owed to you. What are you going to do? Fly there? Raise hell about it? I know of two people who tried to do that. One died of a "heart attack" and it took weeks to get the body back to the U.S. The other was allegedly picked up by U.S. Agents for not paying income tax on his winnings. He was being sent back to the U.S. That was two years ago and he has never been heard from since.

I know that you guys have heard other stories about people who suddenly meet with untimely deaths. There are many that you guys know about. There is no point in bringing them up. The point is simple. If you play with off shore books, this is the risk you take. They can do just about anything they want, and there is nothing that you hotheads can do about it. If you make too much noise, then you start to get visits from the IRS because they turn you in. Your best bet is to wager with companies that have been around for a long time. Check out the SBR Ratings. Check out the companies pay policy. Check out how much it REALLY costs you. Are you really gullable to believe that these companies just GIVE their promotions away? Also check to see if these companies have been named in any identity theft scams. Look at the info they demand of you. 99% of it is unnecessary. Also check the posters who back these guys up. 50 posts is NOT going to cut it. Me? I play in Vegas. I know most of you cannot. Just be careful out there because these guys are scam artists.

[hurricane1091]

Are you guys serious? Do you know how easy it is to do most of the crap you guys are bragging about? Need a different ip address? Use a different computer. Duh, that was tough to figure out.

Using a different PC in the same house/on the same internet connection won't result in a different public IP address, just a heads up. Computers in the same house have different private IP addresses (think 192.168.1.x typically) but through something called NAT, they all use the same public IP address on the internet.

[Mikeyanks23]

Well after all these years you would think ACL and I would have slipped up and logged in under the wrong name.

Sorry I called you out on your bullshit Bobby. Your right. Your just a shill that knew you needed people to deposit to get paid. So you came to SBR and shilled the shit out of 18th hole. Got people to deposit so you could get paid. You then signed up to every forum there is to tell people how great 18th hole is. Then you blasted everyone who was getting stiffed and made up stories in your own head to justify it.

It's just a coincidence your wife was friends with Cesar on FB and the rest of the ring operated within a 15 mile radius from your house.

[Mikeyanks23]

Are you guys serious? Do you know how easy it is to do most of the crap you guys are bragging about? Need a different ip address? Use a different computer. Duh, that was tough to figure out.

Now we come to the hundreds of you that cry about having your funds stolen. Welcome to the REAL WORLD people. I find it very difficult to see that so many people fall for the same basic scam. You use offshore books which means that it is basically impossible for you to do anything to ccollect monies owed to you. What are you going to do? Fly there? Raise hell about it? I know of two people who tried to do that. One died of a "heart attack" and it took weeks to get the body back to the U.S. The other was allegedly picked up by U.S. Agents for not paying income tax on his winnings. He was being sent back to the U.S. That was two years ago and he has never been heard from since.

I know that you guys have heard other stories about people who suddenly meet with untimely deaths. There are many that you guys know about. There is no point in bringing them up. The point is simple. If you play with off shore books, this is the risk you take. They can do just about anything they want, and there is nothing that you hotheads can do about it. If you make too much noise, then you start to get visits from the IRS because they turn you in. Your best bet is to wager with companies that have been around for a long time. Check out the SBR Ratings. Check out the companies pay policy. Check out how much it REALLY costs you. Are you really gullable to believe that these companies just GIVE their promotions away? Also check to see if these companies have been named in any identity theft scams. Look at the info they demand of you. 99% of it is unnecessary. Also check the posters who back these guys up. 50 posts is NOT going to cut it. Me? I play in Vegas. I know most of you cannot. Just be careful out there because these guys are scam artists.

Ya I drive 6 hrs to Maryland to use a different comp to get a different ip addy. I do it daily to prove Bobby wrong.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Well after all these years you would think ACL and I would have slipped up and logged in under the wrong name.

Sorry I called you out on your bullshit Bobby. Your right. Your just a shill that knew you needed people to deposit to get paid. So you came to SBR and shilled the shit out of 18th hole. Got people to deposit so you could get paid. You then signed up to every forum there is to tell people how great 18th hole is. Then you blasted everyone who was getting stiffed and made up stories in your own head to justify it.

It's just a coincidence your wife was friends with Cesar on FB and the rest of the ring operated within a 15 mile radius from your house.

I love the smell of sarcasm in the morning.

[trytrytry]

SnakeEyes11 & 18th Hole have stolen $4,500 & $4,200 from me respectively. I received payouts from both books prior to theft. So just because you're getting paid now, doesn't mean you'll be paid in the future. These books are obviously one in the same, like DSI/Bookmaker. They operate on same IP/servers using the same software. I e-mailed a formal complaint to the OTGS forum trying to rectify the situation prior to posting about it, since they have these books so highly rated there. They were no help & now believe are in cahoots, since this same consequent thread was deleted in seconds there. So I'm left with no choice but to warn fellow gamblers on other forums, before falling victim to SnakeEyes11 as well.


Multiple thefts from 18th Hole have been well documented on other forums, so 18th closed their Twitter account & OTGS forum had to downgrade them to remain respectability. But all their respectability is lost having SnakeEyes rated A. Just a matter of time before SnakeEyes steals from others as well. They claim to cater to professionals, yet they can only afford to pay out a max of $750 every two weeks. That should have been a red flag to me right there. Get your money out now, or be sorry later.


I knew the risk/reward going in & still managed to profit more than the stolen amounts, with all the cash bonuses & arb opportunities. That's why they chose to steal from me, because I was destroying them with all their pathetic off lines.

why did you file a complaint or even make a post about it. your on record of saying this here in 2013 at SBR.

"Will 18th hole turn out to be another BetIslands? Maybe, maybe not. Would I give a flying fuk? No, "

so you joined the Flyin fuk club now?