[bobbywaves]

SnakeEyes11 & 18th Hole have stolen $4,500 & $4,200 from me respectively. I received payouts from both books prior to theft. So just because you're getting paid now, doesn't mean you'll be paid in the future. These books are obviously one in the same, like DSI/Bookmaker. They operate on same IP/servers using the same software. I e-mailed a formal complaint to the OTGS forum trying to rectify the situation prior to posting about it, since they have these books so highly rated there. They were no help & now believe are in cahoots, since this same consequent thread was deleted in seconds there. So I'm left with no choice but to warn fellow gamblers on other forums, before falling victim to SnakeEyes11 as well.


Multiple thefts from 18th Hole have been well documented on other forums, so 18th closed their Twitter account & OTGS forum had to downgrade them to remain respectability. But all their respectability is lost having SnakeEyes rated A. Just a matter of time before SnakeEyes steals from others as well. They claim to cater to professionals, yet they can only afford to pay out a max of $750 every two weeks. That should have been a red flag to me right there. Get your money out now, or be sorry later.


I knew the risk/reward going in & still managed to profit more than the stolen amounts, with all the cash bonuses & arb opportunities. That's why they chose to steal from me, because I was destroying them with all their pathetic off lines.

[Mikeyanks23]

18th snake eyes and OTGS are all owned by the same individual.

It's weird that everyone who went public on being stiffed had their personal info posted at OTGS.

Except you of course.

[Mikeyanks23]

Bobby are you going to apologize now?

[gauchojake]

Nice attempt at subterfuge

[bobbywaves]

Apologize for what? This is a public service announcement. I'm waiting for you to man up & apologize, as I'm obviously a victim as well. You claim I'm the "owner," so why would an "owner" slander their own book moron?

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Why would you complain to OTGS, when you well know that's a shill site set up by the owners of those books?

[darkhat]

This is how scam shops recycle if anyone is unaware

It is getting close to football, so scam shops kill off their older brands to start new ones. This piece of shit scam artist did nothing but promote this shit company for over a year. You can bet anything this guy will be back promoting another unnamed book for football instead of being a normal human being.

It's funny this guy doesn't praise heritage, bookmaker, youwager, and 5dimes for countless years of payouts. No, he wants to post 500 times a fukking day about shadow books who are so stupid they forget to privatize the whois info to their sportsbook. LMAO, everyone who calls out these books for scamming has their personal info posted on that gambling side joke of a website. Why doesn't bobby??

LMAO has a problem with a sportsbook and instead of asking SBR for help he goes to a website that barely exists and is obviously owned by the books. They literally have those scam shops the same ratings as heritage and 5dimes. Bobby may be the dumbest human being walking the face of the fukkin earth.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Yeah, and next time they'll be more careful, ie not have the snakeeyes dns hosted on the otgs server this time......

[timbaland99]

What da fuk are you complaining about bobby? You got paid or you were DUE to be paid handsomely for your scandalous behaviour. Meanwhile, a fairly large number of people got scammed due to your promotion of how awesome this book was. Fuk off you piece of shit

[stefan084]

how did they steal your money exactly?

[Courtesywipe]

Yeah, this guys just doesn't get the hint. What a wanker.

[bobbywaves]

how did they steal your money exactly?

18th hole placed a $4,200 bet on a +440 college hoop dog which I never bet on, just mysteriously appeared in my account. SnakeEyes changed my $500 Phillies bet at +170 odds to $5,000. Of course, both dogs lost.

Obviously I was supporting these books, as they were paying me & had tremendous options & line values. All books are good until they stop paying one day like BetIlands, where I lost some $ as well. It's not about me, as I understand the concept of risk/reward & fortunately profited more than all stolen amounts. Purpose of this thread was to warn any newbies about SnakeEyes, as most were already aware of 18th Hole.

As for the rest of you naysayers who think I'm somehow involved, simply take my ban challenge & prove it. I'm willing to risk my 27k. Some of you are non pro broke dikks with absolutely nothing to lose with a ban, as you don't support this site anyway.

[stefan084]

i only have about 2k in. should i get it out and do u think i'll get it? it's my first withdrawal.

[bobbywaves]

i only have about 2k in. should i get it out and do u think i'll get it? it's my first withdrawal.

I assume your 2k is in SnakeEyes. I received at least 10 max payouts from SE every two weeks for $750 each before they pulled this chit, so you may actually get paid. I always try to arb my SE balance out, but a win streak left me with a 4.5k balance. As soon as your rollover is met, I would request $750 every 2 weeks until your balance is 0. Even if you get paid, I wouldn't reload more than $300. You'll still get a 50% cash reload bonus & will have a 6x rollover instead of 9x, which is key in trying to maintain a low balance.

Only you know your risk/reward tolerance level, what you can comfortably afford to lose. But you can only lose what you have in account, so arb it out when good opportunities arise. Just be very careful & selective, as you obviously want your losses in SE & winnings in Pinnacle/5Dimes. The last thing you want is a win streak in SE.

Tread very lightly there. Also learn from my mistake & take screenshots of all your bets. It may be a pain in the ass but you'll be glad you have it, if they add a 0 to your losing bet like they did to me.

Good luck to you, hope you can either arb it out or get paid.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Just posted this on otgs forum, I wonder how long before it's deleted:

The otgs creator is the guy that lives a few miles from Bobby, and all the others that were relentlessly promoting the two books on multiple forums. Funnily enough, they all also referred to otgs for its "reviews"....


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18th hole and Snakeeyes are on the same server in Costa Rica. Both were instantly rated A here when they were created.



Snakeeyes nameserver was also orginally hosted by the same guy who "launched" On The Gamblers Side:


http://whois.gwebtools.com/snakeeyes11.info
Name Server:NS1.4TWELVE-HOSTING.COM
Name Server:NS2.4TWELVE-HOSTING.COM

Owner of twelve-hosting: Rob Burgess
"4Twelve-Solutions Co-Owner, 2011 - present"
https://plus.google.com/110032194446543708434/about

Rob Burgess google+ page:
http://www.googleplussuomi.com/timel...11003219444654 3708434&sort=comment
"I just helped launch a site today called onthegamblersside.com"

[bobbywaves]

Just posted this on otgs forum, I wonder how long before it's deleted:

The otgs creator is the guy that lives a few miles from Bobby, and all the others that were relentlessly promoting the two books on multiple forums. Funnily enough, they all also referred to otgs for its "reviews"....



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18th hole and Snakeeyes are on the same server in Costa Rica. Both were instantly rated A here when they were created.



Snakeeyes nameserver was also orginally hosted by the same guy who "launched" On The Gamblers Side:


http://whois.gwebtools.com/snakeeyes11.info
Name Server:NS1.4TWELVE-HOSTING.COM
Name Server:NS2.4TWELVE-HOSTING.COM

Owner of twelve-hosting: Rob Burgess
"4Twelve-Solutions Co-Owner, 2011 - present"
https://plus.google.com/110032194446543708434/about

Rob Burgess google+ page:
http://www.googleplussuomi.com/timel...11003219444654 3708434&sort=comment
"I just helped launch a site today called onthegamblersside.com"

You know what Donkey, I just filed a complaint on SBR as well. When Opti has time to look into my case confirming I'm not the owner & only gambled there, you & many other jackasses will owe me a big apology.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

So just to confirm, you've never met Rob Burgess, or had any contact with him?


Quite a mighty coincidence you should be promoting 18th so much, then when a fake review site is set up to promote 18th, you would reference it ...... and it turns out to be created by a guy a few miles from you, who is also hosting the nameserver for snakeeyes.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

...and my post on otgs has been deleted, what a surprise.

[Courtesywipe]

This is Bobby's ploy to move his shilling support from 18 to SE. This is the way he is going about it as people would not take him seriously if he came out from the start say SnakeEyes was legit so he is doing this in a round about way of coarse making mention to the cash bonus and how you will 6x rollover versus 9x. This guy is simply pathetic.

[Optional]

You know what Donkey, I just filed a complaint on SBR as well. When Opti has time to look into my case confirming I'm not the owner & only gambled there, you & many other jackasses will owe me a big apology.

I'm glad you did. This sounds like a story worth telling.

But I doubt it will be allocated to me. Someone with a bit more expertise in the CR scene will probably handle it.

[bobbywaves]

So just to confirm, you've never met Rob Burgess, or had any contact with him?

Correct.

Quite a mighty coincidence you should be promoting 18th so much, then when a fake review site is set up to promote 18th, you would reference it ...... and it turns out to be created by a guy a few miles from you, who is also hosting the nameserver for snakeeyes.

Sure I promoted 18th when I received my payouts & they offered great options/lines, so why wouldn't I? Just like many people promoted BetIslands, are they all co-owners now for doing so? You're quite delusional. How could I have forced anyone to play SE/18th? Everyone is responsible for doing their own research before signing up with a book, knowing their risk/reward tolerance level.

As far as the fake review site, I was banned there after receiving no help from my complaint & after my threads were deleted. Let's say a stranger living a couple miles away from you works at McDonalds, does that mean you work at McDonalds as well?......Probably, so that may be a bad example.

My point is you're libeling, you & your cronies should be banned for it. You have no proof I'm connected with these outfits, or surely you would have accepted my ban challenge & posted it by now. Fact of he matter is, you're a pussy.

[bobbywaves]

I'm glad you did. This sounds like a story worth telling.

But I doubt it will be allocated to me. Someone with a bit more expertise in the CR scene will probably handle it.

That's fine, thanks for looking into it.

[Trident]

As far as the fake review site, I was banned there after receiving no help from my complaint & after my threads were deleted.

Let me see if I have this right, first you you made some threads saying you were slow paying yourself, you later deleted your own threads then banned yourself to make the site look legit, is that about right?

TIA

[bobbywaves]

Let me see if I have this right, first you you made some threads saying you were slow paying yourself, you later deleted your own threads then banned yourself to make the site look legit, is that about right?

TIA

Let me see if I have this right. You troll this site for over 5 years. You can't afford the $100 to be pro & support SBR, let alone bet a faction of the money I have online.

TIA

[Mikeyanks23]

Can't figure out why Bobby isn't on the OTGS stiff list yet. Very strange that everyone else is that was actually stiffed by them.

[Mikeyanks23]

...and my post on otgs has been deleted, what a surprise.

I was banned yesterday and they callled me Darkhat

[bobbywaves]

Can't figure out why Bobby isn't on the OTGS stiff list yet. Very strange that everyone else is that was actually stiffed by them.

So Sperm is everyone else?

I never sent SE my license, as I utilized MP.

[Courtesywipe]

Funny how this guys still promotes 18th hole along with SnakeEyes on his Twitter account. In addition if you Google him you find how he was on multiple sportbook review sites promoting 18th and how he could get anyone in with a referral. So amusing and pathetic at the same time.

[bobbywaves]

Funny how this guys still promotes 18th hole along with SnakeEyes on his Twitter account.

What's pathetic is how full of chit you are, show proof of this.

[Courtesywipe]

No Way!! Unreal!! This guy was promoting 18th hole/SnakeEyes on his Twitter account and I mention it and now he immediately deletes his Twitter posts.

[bobbywaves]

No Way!! Unreal!! This guy was promoting 18th hole/SnakeEyes on his Twitter account and I mention it and now he immediately deletes his Twitter posts.

My tweets are all there, we're waiting for you to post your proof.

How's GT Bets working out for ya?

[Courtesywipe]

Better than any site that you run. You ever watch that show American Greed?

[bobbywaves]

Better than any site that you run.

Considering I don't run a site, that's not saying much.

[Mikeyanks23]

No Way!! Unreal!! This guy was promoting 18th hole/SnakeEyes on his Twitter account and I mention it and now he immediately deletes his Twitter posts.

He did the same thing when we mentioned his wife was friends with Cesar on facebook

[Mikeyanks23]

So Sperm is everyone else?

I never sent SE my license, as I utilized MP.

They have your facebook and name and address anyways. So they have the info.

But for some reason refuse to post it.