1. 02-26-14 05:02 PM #1
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    Player loses on Vegas MLB rain-out rule. Blames Heritage

    Hi all... I thought heritage had a good reputation.. seems I was wrong.. They just stole $200 from me...

    Today I place a wager on the DET TIGERS to win... fast forward.. Its 2 outs in bottom of the 9th.. The Tigers are up 6-5. Runner on 1st.. It rains... Game called.. I look into my heritage account.. JOY.... I was credited for the win.. I made a great pick!

    A few minutes later I go into my account and $200 is missing.. Heritage tells me since the game was called I lose my bet because the best is only graded for 8 innings... THIS IS THE BIGGEST BULLSHIT IVE EVER HEARD OF IN SPORTS GAMBLING IN MY LIFE!

    ITS THE BOTTOM OF THE 9TH... 2 OUT... MY TEAM IS UP... IT RAINS., GAME CALLED.. I penetrating LOSE? EVEN THO ON MLB.COM IS SAYS TIGERS WIN 6-5!?

    THIS IS penetrating HIGHWAY ROBBERY!

    THEY JUST penetrating STOLE MONEY RIGHT OUT OF MY ACCOUNT!

    YOU'D THINK ID ATLEAST GET A penetrating PUSH? THIS IS THE BIGGEST BULLSHIT IVE EVER HEARD IN MY LIFE! GUESS THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SPORTSBOOKS ARENT REGULATED.. YOU GET STOLEN FROM!
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  2. 02-26-14 05:11 PM #2
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    I just went through my account history.. Here is my ticket and the win credit.

    2/26/2014 10:01AM Money Line 108.00 102.86 Baseball - 905 Detroit Tigers -105 for Game

    The 102.86 is the $ I was credited
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  3. 02-26-14 05:13 PM #3
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    Most overrated book of all time. Don't buy into the hype about them.
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  4. 02-26-14 05:16 PM #4
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    Interesting escenario, accoding with source the game is awarded to Detroit so for records is a win for they, you should get paid.
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  5. 02-26-14 05:18 PM #5
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    This is the most ****** up rule in sports wagering history.. in up 6-5 with 2 outs in the penetrating bottom of the 9th... and it rains so i penetrating lose

    This is straight up thievery I dont care what their rules say
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  6. 02-26-14 05:18 PM #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidchong View Post
    Interesting escenario, accoding with source the game is awarded to Detroit so for records is a win for they, you should get paid.
    from sportsline.com

    During the regular season, the game would have been suspended and completed later. The Braves asked the Elias Sports Bureau for a ruling - with no resumption in sight, the Braves said Elias told them Detroit was declared the winner.
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  7. 02-26-14 05:19 PM #7
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    I was even CREDITED FOR THE WIN! at first!
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  8. 02-26-14 05:20 PM #8
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    Welcome to sports wagering in america folks... YOU PICK A penetrating WINNER AND YOU STILL LOSE haha
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  9. 02-26-14 05:24 PM #9
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    Here is the ruling. If the game is cancelled in the bottom of the 9th, then the score reverts back to what it was at the end of 8 innings. Detroit had scored two runs in the Top of the 9th inning, so at the end of 8, they wre down 5-4. You lose. What Heritage did was totally correct.
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  10. 02-26-14 05:25 PM #10
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    BetCris has same rule as well
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  11. 02-26-14 05:27 PM #11
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    bet365 refunded all bets on that game...
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  12. 02-26-14 05:27 PM #12
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    Its still the most ****** up rule there is in sports wagering.. YOU CAN BE DOWN.. AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PRAY TO THE GODS FOR RAIN.. EVEN IF YOU ARE DOWN.... if it rains you can win.. EVEN WITH 2 OUTS IN THE 9TH hahaha WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW


    this is AMAZING to me.... This just angers me.. Im gonna break heritage...
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  13. 02-26-14 05:28 PM #13
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    Yea.. us americans are stuck with these amature books with ****** up rules...
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  14. 02-26-14 05:31 PM #14
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    Sorry about your loss dude but if you can't handle the rules in baseball wagering than don't wager on it. Rain outs happen all the time in baseball and you need to be prepared according to your book's rules. Almost all sportsbooks have the exact same rule if a game is called during the 9th inning. I know it sucks but the reason why is because baseball has no clock so your team could be leading by 4 runs with two outs in the bottom of the 9th inning and still lose.

    The other team didnt get a chance to complete their at bat and who knows what could have happened. Maybe send 9 men to the plate and they win the game(happens all the time in baseball) This is why they have to revert back to the score after 8 innings.
    Last edited by MagicDiceFlow; 02-26-14 at 05:34 PM.
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  15. 02-26-14 05:35 PM #15
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    its a small bookie this is problem and you cant do anything if something what they do is wrong and a lie, the US market need to restart the online gambling so we never ever have problems like this.
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  16. 02-26-14 05:35 PM #16
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    Every major book graded the Detroit ml a loss.

    I hope you leave, so they can start accepting new customers, been trying to get my friend with this book for a while.

    Heritage is a top notch book IMO.
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  17. 02-26-14 05:38 PM #17
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    you would have got paid out on betfair that was a clear winner
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  18. 02-26-14 05:39 PM #18
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    Void at williamhill.
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  19. 02-26-14 05:39 PM #19
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    again, rule is o.k., but in this game the comissioner award the win for Detroit, this ruling make the difference between other cancellation.
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  20. 02-26-14 05:42 PM #20
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    This is the rule and has always been the baseball rule that if the home team doesn't get their at bat and are losing it reverts back... Sucks for you, but the book didn't make this rule up and for you to make a thread b itching about a common knowledge rule that you don't know about, its just sad... I am sorry for your luck, been there
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  21. 02-26-14 05:44 PM #21
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    They graded it correctly as I explained in the other thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by LT Profits View Post
    Game was called in the middle of the ninth inning after Detroit took the lead in the top half. So for BETTING purposes, score reverts back to the last completed inning, which was Braves 5-4.

    Had this been a regular season game, it would have been suspended and picked up in the bottom of the 9th at a future date. But the GRADING would be exactly the same, reverting back to last completed inning.
    Fact that the league gave the Tigers the win because it was only an exhibition game is irrelevant. The Braves never completed their last at-bat, so never got a full chance to come back, so regular season rule still applies.
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  22. 02-26-14 05:48 PM #22
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    This situation is different in my opinion. The books are taking rules into their own hands. MLB has declared Detroit the winner, they obviously felt the rule about reverting to the last full inning didn't apply here. Heritage and other books are essentially going over MLB's head and deciding on their own how to interpret MLB rules and rulings.

    You guys are forgetting this last full inning rule, is an MLB rule, not a las vegas rule. MLB decided it did not apply here.

    Detroit was credited with the win, the end.
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  23. 02-26-14 05:48 PM #23
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    Yes I know this is the rules, and I still think its the worst rules in sports wagering.. I will say that heritage knew I was upset and they made up for me being upset even tho the rules clearly state that DET should have been graded a loss... But I also CLEARLY believe that this is the WORST RULE in sports wagering PERIOD.
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  24. 02-26-14 05:50 PM #24
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    Europe rules has more sense than US book, "SENSE", if any team took the lead at the top of 9th inning, cant be grade as loser, his chance to win is better than home team., but home team cant be declared as loser, they have a chance to win too....,thats why they cancel the game and refund bets, they only grade if the game has gone over, if not, then they refund total too... ITS COMMON SENSE!. (just my opinion)
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  25. 02-26-14 05:53 PM #25
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    Heritage did make up for my frustration and I thank them, But yes david that rule is more logical. I dont know how I can bet baseball this year with these kind of rules.. it really is mindblowing to me.
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  26. 02-26-14 05:55 PM #26
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    maybe you should check the rules before starting a thread stating that Heritage STOLE from you
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  27. 02-26-14 05:57 PM #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrobs View Post
    This situation is different in my opinion. The books are taking rules into their own hands. MLB has declared Detroit the winner, they obviously felt the rule about reverting to the last full inning didn't apply here. Heritage and other books are essentially going over MLB's head and deciding on their own how to interpret MLB rules and rulings.

    You guys are forgetting this last full inning rule, is an MLB rule, not a las vegas rule. MLB decided it did not apply here.

    Detroit was credited with the win, the end.
    The last full inning rule is for BETTING purposes only, it is not an MLB rule. Books are applying the rule correctly. Again, if this happened during regular season, game would be suspended and picked up where it left off on future date, but books would revert to last full inning for payouts and whatever happens in the bottom of 9th on future date would be ignored for betting purposes.
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  28. 02-26-14 05:57 PM #28
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    heritage is in the right.....I got burned on this rule 3 or 4 years ago....standard rule it goes back to the score at the last completed inning....if you got a void or your money back and were on the tigers consider yourself lucky!
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  29. 02-26-14 05:57 PM #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by luckyjay View Post
    Heritage did make up for my frustration and I thank them, But yes david that rule is more logical. I dont know how I can bet baseball this year with these kind of rules.. it really is mindblowing to me.
    The rule has been always in that way... the exception today is, the MLB commisioner award the game to Detroit.
    BTW, i will recommend you to bet away teams with UK books and Home teams with USA BOOK, rules favors in that way when game is suspended.
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  30. 02-26-14 05:59 PM #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Profits View Post
    The last full inning rule is for BETTING purposes only, it is not an MLB rule. Books are applying the rule correctly. Again, if this happened during regular season, game would be suspended and picked up where it left off on future date, but books would revert to last full inning for payouts and whatever happens in the bottom of 9th on future date would be ignored for betting purposes.
    This rule is not applied with UK books, only America.
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  31. 02-26-14 06:02 PM #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidchong View Post
    This rule is not applied with UK books, only America.
    Right, euros do whatever they want basically. The rule I quoted is the Vegas standard that USA facing books adhere to.
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    Thats why i suggest, you like home team bet USA books, for away team bet with UK books...
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidchong View Post
    Thats why i suggest, you like home team bet USA books, for away team bet with UK books...
    But euros don't accept USA customers.
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  34. 02-26-14 06:08 PM #34
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    Heritage closed my account and credited me with a win.. Thats fine.. I am reporting them to the fbi..
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  35. 02-26-14 06:09 PM #35
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    Heritage sports are thieves!!!!!! They tried to bribe me with a $75 free play... to keep my account open....
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