[jjgold]

I have them 3rd

SBOBET
IBC
188bet
M88
12bet

[Hareeba!]

Decent odds, paid up, but gutless.
Slashed my limits time and time again until it got to the point that it wasn't worth continuing with them
M88 and 12bet in same boat. I've not been invited to join IBC.

[corporatecoward]

They're all just corporate cowards

[kkkkk]

recently limiting worser then most european bookmakers

[jjgold]

Tough to get into ibc

Must be credit and post up mix

[Digo]

I still think they are better than any european bookmaker (talking about 188bet).

[pellumb341]

nice odds , fast payouts , reliable, but have been limiting recently.

[jjgold]

I think the Asian books as long as you're verified don't play games like other foreign books as far as payouts

I think of course you're going to get limited at some of these places but there definitely strong payers

Some of these European books if you wanted decent amount it seems like they stall your pay out

Not the big boys but more of the second-tier European books

Whereas in Asia if you smack hard they might cut you down we could get paid fast

[Rangers901]

People need to stop referring to European shops as 'books', 'bookies', 'bookmakers', etc. They're a bunch of greedy, dirty savages.

The best example is Bet365. How they are rated so high is beyond me. If you show you have any clue regarding the industry, you're going to be shown the door regardless of your wager amounts. I've never seen a book limit $25-$100 bettors so quickly, just because they're able to beat a closing line, grab a +EV play, etc.

I wish I didn't have so much time, money, relationships, etc. invested in Canada, because to be quite honest, I'd move out to Costa Rica and open a book, one that understands the art of bookmaking.

Books have no excuses for limiting so many winners in this day and age largely due to one extremely key component, the Internet. Any book can manage/limit risk with the extremely high volumes of liquidity at Betfair.

Everyone thinks that it's just phenomenal that sports betting is legal in Europe, and that it's so much easier, but reality is, if you have a clue, it's the same old bullshit that North Americans have to go through because these savages will limit you faster than you can walk out the door.

All the serious punters in Europe use Betfair, Matchbook, Pinnacle, SBO, etc.

[jjgold]

Books are in business to make money period
They mastered it

Most CR books too limit but maybe not as harsh

[1bustard]

I recommend 188 alongside SBO. I haven't had any payout issues with these guys. Good luck.

[jjgold]

some say zero need for any other Asian book but SBO

Do you think that is true??

[bigboydan]

some say zero need for any other Asian book but SBO

Do you think that is true??

As most professional gamblers will tell you if their a good book then by all means you should spread your action accordingly in order to get your best odds/price. After I get back into the swing of things I'll look into more Asian books and see what the latest and greatest news is coach.

[faststeady]

no, theres is value in quite a few asians

188 is only good for football/soccer style , hence your mixed reponses. no aussies now so my comment is from last yr

[jjgold]

I hate 12bet software..they do not allow use of Asian format for European Players

[LEOLEO]

JJ dont defend these fu%$^ pigs bet365 are the greedy'st cun%$this side of the world,


http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/d...s-20m-dividend

Denise Coates, founder of Bet365, has paid herself a Ģ20m dividend from the onlinegambling group she launched in a betting-shop car park 12 years ago.
20 million gbp =33 million US, when 1500 employess make between 12-16 an hr, give just 10% of that to these employees,
earn 2200 more US A YEAR ,
AT 20% 5000 MORE A YEAR = 15% raise, shes a filthy greedy Pig, and they cancel winners like that guy said like clockwork, but feed on the weak, sick, and squares, honestly dont ever defend those pigs

THATS A DIVIDEND ON TOP OF HER SALARY !!!!
OF 10 MILLION + A YR

AND SHE LITERALLY DOES SH$#^

[bullock]

188bet has a total bet limit at least for some leagues, I think you can bet 2x or 3x the max bet at most. They have probably the broadest selection of Asian books. Payout times are decent, not much worse than of SBO.

[allin1]

JJ dont defend these fu%$^ pigs bet365 are the greedy'st cun%$this side of the world,


http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/d...s-20m-dividend

Denise Coates, founder of Bet365, has paid herself a Ģ20m dividend from the onlinegambling group she launched in a betting-shop car park 12 years ago.
20 million gbp =33 million US, when 1500 employess make between 12-16 an hr, give just 10% of that to these employees,
earn 2200 more US A YEAR ,
AT 20% 5000 MORE A YEAR = 15% raise, shes a filthy greedy Pig, and they cancel winners like that guy said like clockwork, but feed on the weak, sick, and squares, honestly dont ever defend those pigs

THATS A DIVIDEND ON TOP OF HER SALARY !!!!
OF 10 MILLION + A YR

AND SHE LITERALLY DOES SH$#^

nice bump to remind me of this post. Classic.

[Hareeba!]

JJ dont defend these fu%$^ pigs bet365 are the greedy'st cun%$this side of the world,


http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/d...s-20m-dividend

Denise Coates, founder of Bet365, has paid herself a Ģ20m dividend from the onlinegambling group she launched in a betting-shop car park 12 years ago.
20 million gbp =33 million US, when 1500 employess make between 12-16 an hr, give just 10% of that to these employees,
earn 2200 more US A YEAR ,
AT 20% 5000 MORE A YEAR = 15% raise, shes a filthy greedy Pig, and they cancel winners like that guy said like clockwork, but feed on the weak, sick, and squares, honestly dont ever defend those pigs

THATS A DIVIDEND ON TOP OF HER SALARY !!!!
OF 10 MILLION + A YR

AND SHE LITERALLY DOES SH$#^

I have no problem at all with successful business owners reaping the rewards of their legitimate endeavours.

BUT I can't accept that they should be able to discriminate against customers who may be half as good at their own trade.

Government licensing of bookmakers should bring with it a responsibility to treat customers with fairness.

These so called "bookmakers" don't do that.

[jjgold]

I always like the Asian software vs the classical software

It's probably a top-five Asian book

[allin1]

I have no problem at all with successful business owners reaping the rewards of their legitimate endeavours.

BUT I can't accept that they should be able to discriminate against customers who may be half as good at their own trade.

Government licensing of bookmakers should bring with it a responsibility to treat customers with fairness.

These so called "bookmakers" don't do that.

These bookmakers make huge profits. Even the lottery gives a lot back although some of them might be rigged, but I can see your point.

As I have told you in a different thread, it's basically just like a casino that can choose to kick out a customer, so I can't see any hope at the horizon regarding this issue. They offer entertainment, they call it recreational betting. The majority of their customers bet between 5 and 25 euros/pounds and most of the time on parlays/accumulators.

You will never get to make a casino accept winning gamblers with an edge (card counting for example) and it's the same with these recreational bookmakers.

The only thing they can do is make it completely illegal... but it would be nice if they could still allow exchanges to operate as long as winning players are not kicked out or penalized with a "premium charge".

[betting-analyst]

Who could suggest Betfair has being for serious players, never heard of the premium charge? upto 60% of your winnings taken,they have recently increased commissions for most other countries outside the UK+ IRE and a few more, to between 6.5 and 7% ! only way to beat their system is to go through a betfair agent and settle at fixed fees!

Dafabet wasnīt on the list but they too are a joke, they offer 3 cent lines for Asians but want 5 cent lines from Europeans, despite having the better line on the oddschecker!

We always bet through brokers but i must admit, when i look at my account i donīt really need them, has 50% of my bets are Pinn and 40% SBO , the other 10% is divided between 4-5 bookies!

Online European Bookies are a joke but you can catch them out in the retail space!

Anyone know the betting exchange Citibet ? (need to be logged in to see offer) i was looking for some outlets for horse racing and one broker offered me them......i just canīt imagine they have any real liquidity has the betting exchanges are struggling, betfairs has sunk big time and theirīs no early market available! i can use betfair for fixed fee 3.5% without the charge or any other restrictions (numbered account) but i see little point!