[stepanko86]

It sounded from the OP he took lower odds than market price ("All bets placed on your account had been significantly lower than on the market"); so he probably put offers out there that got matched by arbitrage bettors, bots, or similar.

Earlier I made a bets in bet365, but they lowered a limit from 4800 to 800 dollars.

[TennisProFrance]

I welcome betfair identifying and dealing with crooks. What gives fixers the right to scam normal people on betting exchanges? You are not scamming a book but other people.

Funny how most of these scams originate in East Euro land and then for users to moan about getting access to western books.

If this doesn't turn out to be a scam I'm father Christmas.

[TennisProFrance]

I knew only that that left team many players and they on the last match went by train. 16 people at least had to go and there went 11 people. They with difficulties collected a starting lineup. I wrote that I read about the Ukrainian soccer much and I am interested much
.

If that's the case why bet over 2.5 at half time when it was 0-0. Surely main line is better. I don't beleive one word you say.

[pringles]

were you transferring money to somebody?
how much did you bet on the ukrainian football games that usually have <1k available?

[stepanko86]

If that's the case why bet over 2.5 at half time when it was 0-0. Surely main line is better. I don't beleive one word you say.

You represent these swindlers which are told at every turn that by them the exchange of bets and simply sit and think as to take away money in players because nobody filed a lawsuit against them. Don't trust me. But I would like to look tomorrow when these swindlers at you as well as from me will take away money.

[stepanko86]

were you transferring money to somebody?
how much did you bet on the ukrainian football games that usually have <1k available?

They suspended the account and I on all matches can't tell how many I bet. They to that also close pages that players didn't make screenshots and then didn't go to file a lawsuit against their actions the claim. They if were honest that gave money and all. And so they even tell nothing. Shame of this company.

[stepanko86]

If that's the case why bet over 2.5 at half time when it was 0-0. Surely main line is better. I don't beleive one word you say.

Аnd and here main line? Coefficients were on Olipik's victory 1.18 after the first time.

[Santo]

They suspended the account and I on all matches can't tell how many I bet. They to that also close pages that players didn't make screenshots and then didn't go to file a lawsuit against their actions the claim. They if were honest that gave money and all. And so they even tell nothing. Shame of this company.

But, if you were to end up with US$112,000+, you must have been betting well over $1k, right?

[stepanko86]

But, if you were to end up with US$112,000+, you must have been betting well over $1k, right?

I in one bookmaker company make a bet 150 dollars and won from their 5000 US dollars. Then I these brought 5000 US dollars on betfair and untwisted less than in 2 months prior to 112000 US dollars. At the exchange I made a bets somewhere 10 matches.

I am the specialist in the Ukrainian soccer and for me is offensive that swindlers with betfair took away my money. That words not to transfer this such beastliness. I in January will file a lawsuit against their claim. I don't doubt that I will carry the case. I have video where I come on the account and all my money there. Now they closed the account.

[pellumb341]

I in one bookmaker company make a bet 150 dollars and won from their 5000 US dollars. Then I these brought 5000 US dollars on betfair and untwisted less than in 2 months prior to 112000 US dollars. At the exchange I made a bets somewhere 10 matches.

I am the specialist in the Ukrainian soccer and for me is offensive that swindlers with betfair took away my money. That words not to transfer this such beastliness. I in January will file a lawsuit against their claim. I don't doubt that I will carry the case. I have video where I come on the account and all my money there. Now they closed the account.

I am from Albania and i am specialist in the Albanian League,but i never hit my predictions. And you know why ? Albanian league ,like Ukrainian league , is one of the most corrupted leagues in the world.If you don't have inside information,you will hit below 20%

[sharlataans]

This will be a tough lawsuit, you will have to answer a lot of uncomfortable questions. Good luck man, you will need it.

[stepanko86]

I am from Albania and i am specialist in the Albanian League,but i never hit my predictions. And you know why ? Albanian league ,like Ukrainian league , is one of the most corrupted leagues in the world.If you don't have inside information,you will hit below 20%

From where you such took? Look at ratings of the corrupted leagues. Albanian the most corrupted and Ukrainian even doesn't enter into ten.

[stepanko86]

I am from Albania and i am specialist in the Albanian League,but i never hit my predictions. And you know why ? Albanian league ,like Ukrainian league , is one of the most corrupted leagues in the world.If you don't have inside information,you will hit below 20%

http://cripo.com.ua/?sect_id=10&aid=146653

It to you link. You will translate into English.

Рейтинг коррумпированности Sportradar:
1. Албания, 97 матчей
2. Италия, 70 матчей
3. Молдавия, 66 матчей
4. Эстония, 46 матчей
5. Греция, 45 матчей
6. Россия, 42 матча
7. Македония, 37 матчей
8. Болгария, 35 матчей
9. Латвия, 31 матч
10. Литва, 31 матч

[stepanko86]

This will be a tough lawsuit, you will have to answer a lot of uncomfortable questions. Good luck man, you will need it.

Thanks for support. In total that I knew, I and told them. They will prove now that they aren't swindlers. I have nothing to justify. I from anybody didn't steal money as betfair.

[Taka]

I never understood the commission that Betfair charges of winning players, first 20% and then (if you keep winning), the rate reaches 60% of your earnings... Looks like that Betfair is "fair", just in the name.

20% - 60%? Isnt it 1% - 5%, depending on your turnover?

[kkkkk]

20% - 60%? Isnt it 1% - 5%, depending on your turnover?

When you made at least 250 bets, you win and last you have paid 1000 eur comissions to them - that should mean you are on 10k eur plus, so you start to pay 20%. In other words if you bet for living and you make 10k that is normaly done in 2-3 months they start to charge you 20%. And after 1-2 years when you make 300k eur they start charging 60% from that. And if you are good enough they can do that after 2-3 months.

[Taka]

When you made at least 250 bets, you win and last you have paid 1000 eur comissions to them - that should mean you are on 10k eur plus, so you start to pay 20%. In other words if you bet for living and you make 10k that is normaly done in 2-3 months they start to charge you 20%. And after 1-2 years when you make 300k eur they start charging 60% from that. And if you are good enough they can do that after 2-3 months.

Thank you, I was not aware of that. Sounds pretty bad!

[allin1]

When you made at least 250 bets, you win and last you have paid 1000 eur comissions to them - that should mean you are on 10k eur plus, so you start to pay 20%. In other words if you bet for living and you make 10k that is normaly done in 2-3 months they start to charge you 20%. And after 1-2 years when you make 300k eur they start charging 60% from that. And if you are good enough they can do that after 2-3 months.

amazing stuff. never went through all the numbers to figure it out

[Taka]

Does "250 different markets" as they refer to it actually mean 250 different games you bet on? Why call a single game a market?

[stepanko86]

I apologize. but here the subject not about a premium charge and about that that betfair doesn't return money.

[Taka]

I thought the subject was about the consequences of you betting on a fixed match?

[allin1]

I thought the subject was about the consequences of you betting on a fixed match?

this seems to be the case but I don't know if the op understands the situation. And I also don't know how much he can achieve even with a complaint with sbr against betfair because his English is poor and he might not be understood.

[zizoudane10]

this seems to be the case but I don't know if the op understands the situation. And I also don't know how much he can achieve even with a complaint with sbr against betfair because his English is poor and he might not be understood.

No, of course he didn't know anything about these matches being fixed

[allin1]

No, of course he didn't know anything about these matches being fixed

yeah, hard to be innocent when betting 4k on a match, amount that equals to a whole years salary in his country

I was just saying that he probably didn't knew how serious it is and that you can get caught and it gets ugly. I suspect most big guys that are involved in match fixing are much better at trying to look innocent otherwise they wouldn't just get away with it so many times.

[zizoudane10]

No, of course he didn't know anything about these matches being fixed

And just btw: YES Betfair does pay their players, they are one if not the richest book these days. They are even paying german bettors who choose to switch their adress from Germany to Austria even though they were not living there to use the exchange markets again. Betfair closed their accounts until they can prove (they can't prove of course because they are not living in Austria..) their adress in Austria, BUT they are allowed to withdraw every single cent from their account.
So basically, your story is a blatant lie, have fun telling it.

[allin1]

And just btw: YES Betfair does pay their players, they are one if not the richest book these days. They are even paying german bettors who choose to switch their adress from Germany to Austria even though they were not living there to use the exchange markets again. Betfair closed their accounts until they can prove (they can't prove of course because they are not living in Austria..) their adress in Austria, BUT they are allowed to withdraw every single cent from their account.
So basically, your story is a blatant lie, have fun telling it.

there are a considerable amount of complaints against betfair. there is even a big one of 3.5 million that is actually going to court. very serious stuff. Justin7 that handled all complaints and rates betfair at a C.

[zizoudane10]

there are a considerable amount of complaints against betfair. there is even a big one of 3.5 million that is actually going in court. very serious stuff. Justin7 that handled all complaints rates betfair at a C.

First of all, this is true.
But on the other hand, there are 5 million bets made on betfair every single day. These are more transactions than the amount of transactions made per day on ALL european stock markets TOGETHER. Every minute players are depositing ~3000£ (around 4880$), every single minute. Seeing the big picture here, it is normal that there are indeed a considerable amount of complaints. I am not a big defender of any bookie. Not at all. And I do/did trut Justin7, I think that he is a guy that understands more than 99.99% of the guys around here and that he is the most honest person of all from the sbr people. But keep in mind, that sbr rated BetIsland a B....

[stepanko86]

envy silently the loser

[stepanko86]

yeah, hard to be innocent when betting 4k on a match, amount that equals to a whole years salary in his country

I was just saying that he probably didn't knew how serious it is and that you can get caught and it gets ugly. I suspect most big guys that are involved in match fixing are much better at trying to look innocent otherwise they wouldn't just get away with it so many times.

Nonsense it everything. You at first prove and tell it to your colleagues with betfair. Also don't touch my country. We have rich people and much.

[stepanko86]

You proved that it there was a fixed match?

[stepanko86]

I thought the subject was about the consequences of you betting on a fixed match?

You proved that it there was a fixed match?

[stepanko86]

First of all, this is true.
But on the other hand, there are 5 million bets made on betfair every single day. These are more transactions than the amount of transactions made per day on ALL european stock markets TOGETHER. Every minute players are depositing ~3000£ (around 4880$), every single minute. Seeing the big picture here, it is normal that there are indeed a considerable amount of complaints. I am not a big defender of any bookie. Not at all. And I do/did trut Justin7, I think that he is a guy that understands more than 99.99% of the guys around here and that he is the most honest person of all from the sbr people. But keep in mind, that sbr rated BetIsland a B....

envy silently the loser

[zizoudane10]

Nonsense it everything. You at first prove and tell it to your colleagues with betfair. Also don't touch my country. We have rich people and much.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Ukraine

That's the one and only reason some of your guys are rich.
Or you wanna talk about rich guys like Rinat Leonidowytsch Achmetow? Yeah, they all are really good people who deserved what they have now

[zizoudane10]

Your country is one of the most corrupt countries in the whole wide world, get over it. And your football is even worse

[stepanko86]

Your country is one of the most corrupt countries in the whole wide world, get over it. And your football is even worse

Where it is written? You from a ceiling took it or this your sick imagination?