[AL1322]

thing is such a joke....played the free $300 casino chip i got with my deposit...ive never seen something like it,lol....dealer has a 6..boom 5,10 21..dealer has a 10 showing 80% of the time anyways....i actually had a run where i doubled 6 times...and i got a 2 every time..go figure....and then i raise my bet and boom dealer blackjack...no one on their right mind can rollover 12,000 on a 300 deposit..ive been playing and getting killed for awhile now...ill win 3 hands in arow and then dealer 20 or 21 like 10 hands in a row...obviously its not random like they say..at least these casinos could admit they r stealing players money by making sure they dont win alot...how a dealer would get 19-21 like 10 hands in a row is mind boggling..and how i always get a 2 on a double down is even worse,lol...it cracks me up playing this thing when u have no chance

[AL1322]

yup just played out my last 4 hands on the bonus...dealer 20,21,20,19..go figure..thx dsi for nothing.with your rigged bs bonus

[AL1322]

please sbr's..dont ever play in this casino...its beyond rigged! learn from me

[5mike5]

yeah any1 wasting money (not a bonus) in an online casino is mind boggling to me...

at least it was just a bonus that was wasted

[AL1322]

ya it was crazy,lol..i knew i wasnt going to hit the 12k rollover..but wow..im glad it wasnt my actual deposit thats for sure

[BigBlueNYG]

I don't understand why it isn't looked into as far as the "fairness" of the software. There is absolutely no way that there is a RNG, or if there is the RNG holds a 98% house edge.

[Mikail]

yeah I just got the same treatment at Bookmaker's online casino. It's robbery. That's what it is.

[Mikail]

100% Guarantee it is not a RNG in effect.

[tommygun]

people are idiots for playing at an online casino, absolute idiots

[LordVodka]

I got 300 from bookmaker and met the 24,000 rollover.

[Mikail]

people are idiots for playing at an online casino, absolute idiots

Absolutely. For the record I would like to clarify that I only test run them at Sbr's A Books. Minimal wagers. I get a decent sample size and try and validate if the casino is truly random or cheating. FYI they all cheat. I have made it my personal mission to expose these scams. Warning people who aren't aware that they should stay away unless they want their money stolen.

[BetDSI Relations]

Absolutely. For the record I would like to clarify that I only test run them at Sbr's A Books. Minimal wagers. I get a decent sample size and try and validate if the casino is truly random or cheating. FYI they all cheat. I have made it my personal mission to expose these scams. Warning people who aren't aware that they should stay away unless they want their money stolen.

Mikail,

With regards to the DSI casino software, it has been audited and certified by third party sources for fairness and RNG efficacy. The casino software has passed RNG tests that allow it to be employed in licensed jurisdictions. In Jan 2012 SBR reported one such audit:

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/News...-fairness.aspx

In every case DSI as a company takes every measure to ensure fair play. Our reputation is built on that fairness and paying members without the red tape and low weekly limit treatment.

Cordially,

DSI Relations

[AL1322]

i have no doubt that dsi is one of the best books out there..thats not at all what i was insinuating as i wouldnt have been depositing if i felt otherwise..i just find it hard to believe after playing all the hands that i did..that the dealer would have huge runs of 19-21 and everytime i doubled i seemed to get a 2..and when i raised my bet i got murdered..i just sat here and shook my head at some of the beats i had..from my experience playing at a brick and mortar when a dealer has a 5 or 6 showing they bust alot more than they make a hand..but it seemed like the dealer made a hand every single time..just didnt add up for me

[BetDSI Relations]

Al1322,

I understand that frustration completely. Online casino hands move very fast, and the streak dynamics move just as fast. If you play basic strategy the house holds close to .5 over time as the math dictates.

FWIW, Thank you for taking the time to respond and interact openly here. If I can be of further help related to information surrounding the casino or any other of our softwares, let me know.

Cordially,

DSI Relations

[Mikail]

Mikail,

With regards to the DSI casino software, it has been audited and certified by third party sources for fairness and RNG efficacy. The casino software has passed RNG tests that allow it to be employed in licensed jurisdictions. In Jan 2012 SBR reported one such audit:

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/News...-fairness.aspx

In every case DSI as a company takes every measure to ensure fair play. Our reputation is built on that fairness and paying members without the red tape and low weekly limit treatment.

Cordially,

DSI Relations

With all due respect being audited and certified by a third party means little. I've played enough to see there is nothing random about it. I do appreciate your response and I respect DSI and by no means am I picking DSI out. I've found most online casinos to be cheats. No problem for me as I will stick to wagering sports.

[Mikail]

Al1322,

I understand that frustration completely. Online casino hands move very fast, and the streak dynamics move just as fast. If you play basic strategy the house holds close to .5 over time as the math dictates.

DSI Relations

Official response when called out for running an unfair casino. Think I've heard this statement before.

[5mike5]

totally agree Mikail

[Hurls]

same as 5dimes complete scam to the fullest

[tommygun]

good posts Mikail, totally agree

[michael777]

Mikail,

With regards to the DSI casino software, it has been audited and certified by third party sources for fairness and RNG efficacy. The casino software has passed RNG tests that allow it to be employed in licensed jurisdictions. In Jan 2012 SBR reported one such audit:

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/News...-fairness.aspx

In every case DSI as a company takes every measure to ensure fair play. Our reputation is built on that fairness and paying members without the red tape and low weekly limit treatment.

Cordially,

DSI Relations

[boston7781]

Do not listen to dsi representative....Ive been playing blackjack for many years and what happened to me DOES NOT HAPPEN! Literally word for word of this post. 14/15 hands dealer had 20 or 21 face card up just about every hand. Had 11
3 times (In the span of like 5 hands) all 3 times got a 2(and I didnt want to double they make u! They give u no button to hit! U have to double or stand(this is in their VERY shady "live casino) i havent played bj online ever since the first couple times prob 10 yrs ago once I realized they were all rigged...this live casino is convincing LOOKING but it is a scam for a fact! Please trust me if u dont want to be pissed of... If u call dsi they tell u the live casino is through a 3rd party and I would have to find a way to get in touch with them! HAHA its so sickening all I can do is laugh... cause I should know better...the difference between this online bj and most is they dont even try to be sneaky about it...they just do it blatantly...in other words most sites will let u win a couple hands to make u feel comfortable and bet more $(they always know youll give it back anyway esp if theres a rollover obv) this one MIGHT let u win 10% of ur hands and if u raise ur bet u will lose 99%

[tto827]

You guys are stating 15 hand sample sizes and saying "this doesn't happen" sure have a lot of mathematical credibility. Over 15 hands ANYTHING could happen, dealer could get 12 blackjacks, and it still could be variance.

[Majman]

If you notice, there are a lot more 2's, 3's, 4's & 5's drawn when you hit than there should be. This favors the dealer and they almost never bust. Absolutely no way that it is legitimate. Any bj players knows that faces & aces favor the player and low cards favor the dealer. Stay away.

[roanildinho]

Dont fukkkkin play casino.

[pologq]

ive learned the hard way you cant win in the casino. the fact they say its legit is an insult to us. i played at betonline today with some money left in there and had the same experience. computer drew 21 thru 5 hands when i was wagering $50/hand. no matter what their first 2 cards were they drew 21 - and yes i busted everytime and was following the normal rules. this didnt happen when i was wagering 10/hand though.

[5mike5]

everybody knows thet are ALL rigged...never understood why people cant just say no, much less complain about them after getting raped by them

[Bandito97]

ive learned the hard way you cant win in the casino. the fact they say its legit is an insult to us. i played at betonline today with some money left in there and had the same experience. computer drew 21 thru 5 hands when i was wagering $50/hand. no matter what their first 2 cards were they drew 21 - and yes i busted everytime and was following the normal rules. this didnt happen when i was wagering 10/hand though.

Just closed my acct with them two days ago. The blackjack results are sickening. Everytime I had a 12 i pulled a 10 card to bust but if i had a 20 and the dealer had a 16, it would pull 5 aces to get a 21. Dealer just does not naturally bust in the situations it should be. I mean EVERY hard 12 i had pulled a 10 but go to double on an 11 and i would draw an ace or a 2. But the dealer could convert every 12-16 into a winner. Usually the losses are all by one. Any hand held with 16 or less loses to a 17. 17 loses to 18, 18 to 19 etc... Dealer pushed more than half my 20's regardless of what two cards it started with. You get a few wins here and there to make it seem like you have a chance but then the brutal beatdown comes EVERY time. Dealer always has the run of Ace cards face up to nail you in the insurance money. I found myself surrendering more and more hands knowing the dealer constantly had 20. I noticed the magic number everytime i looked at last 30 hands history was 24. About 20-21 losses with 3 or 4 pushes. I could go on and on all day about it but everyone is right. Only an idiot would keep playing these. I mean I thought about it. I'm trying to beat a software program that is designed SPECIFICALLY, to beat you. There is no chance at all. This is the same EXACT result with any of the online casinos I have tried regardless of if its an A+ book or a C+ book.

[Triumph]

I don't use the casino much, but I love the live betting and payout record at DSI.

[whyteowl]

I lost 2K over the course of 11 bets in roulette online yesterday. I don't think it was rigged, just bad luck. I've lost way more in brick and mortar casinos much faster. Don't think they were rigged either (but maybe though, who knows what those Atlantic City dealers are up to?). I've played thousands of hands of roulette online and several hundred of blackjack, nothing seemed out of the ordinary to me. I've won a lot, and lost a lot. Same as in a live casino.

[Hankwins]

I got a few grand playing my own cash at bet DSI casino, betting $200/hand not a great story becuase lost it all just as fast as I made it. The free chip is a joke to complete the 12K RO however I got the balance upto $1500 before losing. If someone has the discipline to be satisfied with reasonable gains, you can be a winner at online casino.

[Honeybadger]

It's definitely not fair to the player. I've been playing for quite sometime and it seems that no matter what casino it is, once I request a payout, I feel like I lose my ass until they recoup my payout. For instance, been playing 2 deck/single deck with Bovada. Had several 11's that I doubled down on and couldn't win a hand for anything. Called them out on it and here's the response:

Dear XXXXX,

Thanks for contacting Bovada Casino Customer Service.


We absolutely understand your frustrations regarding your most recent play as nobody enjoys losing money no matter how much it is. Due to the virtual aspect, many players develop theories about what is happening and question the site's integrity. The fact is that setting up hands or fixing our site in any way would not serve any purpose. Moreover, win or lose, one outcome has absolutely no bearing on another when you’re playing in the Casino. Each result in the Casino is based on a number that is spit out by a Random Number Generator. The RNG generates 100s of number per second, and when you select an action, it takes the next number to settle your game. If you were to wait a split second before selecting your action, it could make all the difference in the result as so many numbers would have been missed.

As a valued customer, we acknowledge your feedback. Our number one goal is to give you hours of entertainment when playing in our Casino. By fixing any games it would be counter productive for both parties. To further enhance your experience we wish to recommend a great site for you that will help you when gaming.

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We have been in the business for more than 15 years now and we have earned our reputation in a solid rock that was validated by other institutions and popular print magazines. Rest assured that we will not exchange our hard earned reputation in fixing our table. Also, there is no reason for us to fix the table as this will only lead us in losing our clients and without them Bovada will surely not stay long in the business.


If there is anything else we can help you with please contact us.


Casino Customer Service
casino@bovada.lv




My response to them is how do you maintain your integrity of single deck/double deck if RNG is picking a number out of "100's of numbers per second" when you are playing single deck BJ?

Maybe someone on the forum can enlighten me?

[Honeybadger]

They had no answer to my question of "100's of numbers per second". Online BJ is a joke. You'd be better off handing your money over to a panhandler.

[LordVodka]

Is it possible to get the software used and have someone decode it? We will be able to figure out if it's rigged or not. I know there is no way in a hell the dealer's down card has an assigned value until you make your move. Then the card turns into whatever he needs to win.

[timbaland99]

Are online casinos aware of WHEN third party audits occur? It wouldn't take a genius to set things up in a fair manner IF online casinos were aware of when the audits were taking place. Not calling out a specific online casino. It is more of a general question of awareness of when audits occur

[Hankwins]

I have pulled off some outrageous scores at bovada casino, late night drunk deposits of $50-100 betting super agressive BJ and got my balance to a few grand on multiple times. Logged off with a few K come back in the am betting $100 and hand and lost it all in seconds. Moral of the story if you do hit cashout or bet sports with it becuase you were damn lucky.