[big joe 1212]

Can someone (besides a Shill) post on this site who has got paid, and OR can someone post who has NOT got paid. Thanks

I have paid and gotten paid.
Dont listen to idiots on here. They are mostly just stiffs.
I am in no way a shill, as you can tell by me previous posts!
I could care less if you play there or not, I'm just sharing info with you.

[Peep]

They never do. CW threads are always filled with suspected or known shills and people who have just read, heard, and seen too many negative things. I am the latter.

Simple minds think, simple conclusions reached.

I have paid and been paid by this book. Customer service has been excellent.

Just because they don't pay SBR a commission does not make them a bad book.

[THEGREAT30]

Simple minds think, simple conclusions reached.

I have paid and been paid by this book. Customer service has been excellent.

Just because they don't pay SBR a commission does not make them a bad book.

Your rumbling and mumbling like a retard. Or your refering to yourself. Simple minded to think that your situation is the only one. As I told the guy look at more than one post or poster. I will say that about this book Phoenix, BoDog, Sportsbook.com or any other that has a recent history of complaints or funny doings.

[Peep]

Great 30.

I have played at this book.

They have treated me fine.

For me to state that and for you to say I am "rambling on like a retard" for so doing...... is silly. This is a place for exchanging of book opinions, HOPEFULLY by people that have actually played at the book in question.

I rarely offer opinions on books that I have not personally played at, although I may offer opinions on their behavior towards customers. As far as I can tell, everyone who has played at Creditwagering and paid when they owed and been paid when were owned is perfectly happy with this book.

Why the personal attacks by you? Does it make you feel like a big man to attack someone on the internet?

[gamble4heisman]

Can someone (besides a Shill) post on this site who has got paid, and OR can someone post who has NOT got paid. Thanks

Peep, Joe, and I all gave you good info. They are a great book they'll pay you and you should pay them if you lose, pretty simple, why are you calling us shills, as previously stated we don't care if you play there or not, but dont ask for feedback and then waste my ****ing time. good luck to youl

[THEGREAT30]

Great 30.

I have played at this book.

They have treated me fine.

For me to state that and for you to say I am "rambling on like a retard" for so doing...... is silly. This is a place for exchanging of book opinions, HOPEFULLY by people that have actually played at the book in question.

I rarely offer opinions on books that I have not personally played at, although I may offer opinions on their behavior towards customers. As far as I can tell, everyone who has played at Creditwagering and paid when they owed and been paid when were owned is perfectly happy with this book.

Why the personal attacks by you? Does it make you feel like a big man to attack someone on the internet?

I would spit in your face in person if u insulted me with the simple mind talk. Just like you internet chumps to throw the first stone then act like u didnt.

[Peep]

Nice post Great 30. Nothing about creditwagering (which you obviously know nothing about, since you haven't played there).

But throw in a personal threat, just to show what a toughie you really are. All class.

If a person hasn't tried something, but is against it, I would call that a simple mind at work. Knowing all there is to know without experiencing anything.

[THEGREAT30]

Nice post Great 30. Nothing about creditwagering (which you obviously know nothing about, since you haven't played there).

But throw in a personal threat, just to show what a toughie you really are. All class.

If a person hasn't tried something, but is against it, I would call that a simple mind at work. Knowing all there is to know without experiencing anything.

You dont have to try crack to see the affects of it. What a ignorant simple-minded being you are. This should not be an issue at all but you guys act like you are the only people on earth. My point remains the same to the guy look at more than one post or person do your research.

[MJT1212]

Peep, Joe, and I all gave you good info. They are a great book they'll pay you and you should pay them if you lose, pretty simple, why are you calling us shills, as previously stated we don't care if you play there or not, but dont ask for feedback and then waste my ****ing time. good luck to youl

I NEVER said someone was a shill AFTER I posted or was in inquiring that one may possibly previously to my post. So, point being 1 of 2 things: num 1 if your trying to be a dick, **** U I WAN'T sayinG u were A gD shill or anyone else just tryin to route them out from replying, and number2 if u weren't then calm the **** down and read the post, ASS

[ijustwant2bpaid]

what docs do u have to give em, what happens if u stiff them, and if you owe less than 400 do they not come after u.

[big joe 1212]

what docs do u have to give em, what happens if u stiff them, and if you owe less than 400 do they not come after u.

read their rules and you can answer your own questions!

[Peep]

what docs do u have to give em, what happens if u stiff them, and if you owe less than 400 do they not come after u.

Stiffing them is like stiffing anyone else in your life. Just depends on whether you think a man's word to pay is worth anything or not.

I once made a forum bet with a nice old fellow (in his '80's lol) for $200. When he paid me, I thanked him. He said "of course I paid you, ultimately all a man has is his word."

Made an impact on me.

[gamble4heisman]

what docs do u have to give em, what happens if u stiff them, and if you owe less than 400 do they not come after u.

Drivers license, if you owe less than 400$ it carries over to the next week. if you stay out of action for 1 month then you owe the money. However it sounds like you think you have a freeroll to $399, it seems like people really lack self and mutual respect these days, if you have a debt, you pay it, period.

[Peep]

Agree with Hiesman. If you don't plan on paying if you lose, don't play there.

From my point of view, really nice that a book doesn't insist I pay them BEFORE I lose. But it is a two way street. If you plan on not paying, please go somewhere else, it screws it up for those of who like the creditwager system.

[scott366870]

Agree with Hiesman. If you don't plan on paying if you lose, don't play there.

From my point of view, really nice that a book doesn't insist I pay them BEFORE I lose. But it is a two way street. If you plan on not paying, please go somewhere else, it screws it up for those of who like the creditwager system.

yep but when a book is set up to stiff people eventually (and it has to because the business model is not feasable). Hit them before they hit you.

I got stiffed by BOS so I say get them before they get you!

[Peep]

I don't think creditwagering is set up to stiff anyone scott. Why would they be? They have a nice business model going, are developing a clientele, and have a ridiculously low cost per player gained. They don't have to advertise, which saves big dollars.

Every book is as good as their last payout, credit wagering is no exception.

[scott366870]

I don't think creditwagering is set up to stiff anyone scott. Why would they be? They have a nice business model going, are developing a clientele, and have a ridiculously low cost per player gained. They don't have to advertise, which saves big dollars.

Every book is as good as their last payout, credit wagering is no exception.

if you have ever heard the saying "if it seems too good to be true, it probably is" take it to heart on this..

this book CANNOT be making a profit with it's current set up.

do you think they will bankroll this forever?

nope

[Peep]

I think they are making money.

Have you ever played there scott?

[bmw530i]

Peep has been around for a very long time in this industry.
And seems to be very solid.

[scott366870]

I think they are making money.

Have you ever played there scott?

Yes I have (proud super stiff)

no way they can make money when they have that many super stiffs and stiffs. The number of people that are paying them when they lose is very very low (even by "Ben"'s admission)(Ben says hes a top guy there)

will you please understand a company that doesnt have any contact info that you can trace is very very shady

but hey Bernie Madoff had his fans also

[big joe 1212]

funny how the only ones to talk sHit are the stiffs!
they just want more people to stiff so they can have company!
they also hope CW goes out of business so they will no longer be a stiff page!
I hope when they go out of business, they have a suprise for all the stiffs...I'm sure they do
!

[scott366870]

funny how the only ones to talk sHit are the stiffs!
they just want more people to stiff so they can have company!
they also hope CW goes out of business so they will no longer be a stiff page!
I hope when they go out of business, they have a suprise for all the stiffs...I'm sure they do
!

I have no problem being on that so called stiff page (if a tree falls in a forest and nobody is there does it make a noise?).

I hope people play there win alot of money and get paid for as long as possible.. I just hope people dont send these guys money when they lose.

[betpartners]

I have no problem being on that so called stiff page (if a tree falls in a forest and nobody is there does it make a noise?).

I hope people play there win alot of money and get paid for as long as possible.. I just hope people dont send these guys money when they lose.

Your comments say a lot about you

How anyone can have any honour when they publicly admit being a stiff and proud of it is beyond me

[Peep]

Yeah, I have noticed that too, it is only the stiffs that flame this book.

And now they want us to become stiffs too?

hope people play there win alot of money and get paid for as long as possible.. I just hope people dont send these guys money when they lose.

Sorry to disappoint you scott, but I am going to continue to pay my debts. If you don't want to, well, not only is karma a bitch, they way you conduct yourself here says a lot about the way you are going to live the rest of your life.

[Peep]

Just further on the creditwagering model. Not only is their cost of aqquiring customers dirt cheap (they put it at $26 per, as opposed to over $600 now for a "normal" postup book), but the cost of a stiff is close to zero. No money out of pocket for them at all. So if they have say 500 people stiff them for a $1000 apiece, that $500,000 is not out of pocket, it is just money that they don't have.

Big difference.

In the meantime, they have the belief that most people still pay their bills when their bills are due. So far creditwagering has paid me everytime on time when their bill was due, as have I.

And creditwagering, like every other book, is as good as their last payment. Only difference is, IF they don't make their last payment to me, I won't be out of pocket either, as I haven't sent them a postup. If Laspalmas goes under, and I sent them a $1000, I am a $1000 out of pocket PLUS whatever I won. Again, a big difference.

As a player I like the creditwagering model MUCH better than me having to send my money in in advance. Safer for me.

[gamble4heisman]

Just further on the creditwagering model. Not only is their cost of aqquiring customers dirt cheap (they put it at $26 per, as opposed to over $600 now for a "normal" postup book), but the cost of a stiff is close to zero. No money out of pocket for them at all. So if they have say 500 people stiff them for a $1000 apiece, that $500,000 is not out of pocket, it is just money that they don't have.

Big difference.

In the meantime, they have the belief that most people still pay their bills when their bills are due. So far creditwagering has paid me everytime on time when their bill was due, as have I.

And creditwagering, like every other book, is as good as their last payment. Only difference is, IF they don't make their last payment to me, I won't be out of pocket either, as I haven't sent them a postup. If Laspalmas goes under, and I sent them a $1000, I am a $1000 out of pocket PLUS whatever I won. Again, a big difference.

As a player I like the creditwagering model MUCH better than me having to send my money in in advance. Safer for me.

exactly

[scott366870]

Just further on the creditwagering model. Not only is their cost of aqquiring customers dirt cheap (they put it at $26 per, as opposed to over $600 now for a "normal" postup book), but the cost of a stiff is close to zero. No money out of pocket for them at all. So if they have say 500 people stiff them for a $1000 apiece, that $500,000 is not out of pocket, it is just money that they don't have.

Big difference.

In the meantime, they have the belief that most people still pay their bills when their bills are due. So far creditwagering has paid me everytime on time when their bill was due, as have I.

And creditwagering, like every other book, is as good as their last payment. Only difference is, IF they don't make their last payment to me, I won't be out of pocket either, as I haven't sent them a postup. If Laspalmas goes under, and I sent them a $1000, I am a $1000 out of pocket PLUS whatever I won. Again, a big difference.

As a player I like the creditwagering model MUCH better than me having to send my money in in advance. Safer for me.

Frist of all your #'s are incorrect. Second of all lets say only 20 of the super stiff did what I did to them and win 2700 then collect the money and then "stiff" them. Let's say there are those that are owed money presently and will collect and then stiff.

Why do you think they changed the rules once they got people in the door? 3x's rollover, and low limits. They cannot continue to survive the way they are presently doing business. But hey science can prove a elephant can dangle over a cliff holding on to a danilion stem also.

Good luck, just dont be the last person looking for a chair when the music stops!

[Peep]

I am not worried, the worst that could happen is l lose some winnings. Part of the risk you take when you trust someone to honor their word. Same as with a postup book, except here I am not risking any of my own money.

So far they have honored their word. All books are as good as their last payout, whether you send in money in advance or not.

What books are you currently playing at scott?

[scott366870]

I am not worried, the worst that could happen is l lose some winnings. Part of the risk you take when you trust someone to honor their word. Same as with a postup book, except here I am not risking any of my own money.

So far they have honored their word. All books are as good as their last payout, whether you send in money in advance or not.

What books are you currently playing at scott?

After getting burned by BOS and Beverlyhillsbookie(I know bad move) I will only use Spiro. I also live close enough to Windsor where they have a legal sportsbook that I have moved most of my business there.

I lost a substancial amount of money to BOS and I have since learned that offshore sportsbooks on a whole are a bunch of crooks and liars that won't clean themselves up until they are forced to.

[Iwinyourmoney]

Since March of 08, CW has paid me out $10,000 with no problems!

[Peep]

I like Thegreek too, no problems ever for me there. Great book IMO.

Windsor just sells three team parlays on Proline no? I don't know, that is just what someone told me.

[ijustwant2bpaid]

I am not a stiff yet,(because im sure many of you have the same thoughts)I have not even lost nor won there. That story about the 200 bucks was moving, but seems like I would rather get myelf another new H&K, then what happens? Good luck getting within 100 yards. I think I have one thing to say
F-R-E-E that spells FREE-E creditwagering-dotcom baby! No im kidding but if i am ever in a bad situation this is a possible out for sure, if they are still around. But if u pay em and they go belly up because of scumbags like myself, then who is the sucker...

[ijustwant2bpaid]

Frist of all your #'s are incorrect. Second of all lets say only 20 of the super stiff did what I did to them and win 2700 then collect the money and then "stiff" them. Let's say there are those that are owed money presently and will collect and then stiff.

Why do you think they changed the rules once they got people in the door? 3x's rollover, and low limits. They cannot continue to survive the way they are presently doing business. But hey science can prove a elephant can dangle over a cliff holding on to a danilion stem also.

Good luck, just dont be the last person looking for a chair when the music stops!

u can use the rollover calculator ganch postd to get an estimate on how much they are actually losing, But I think that less than 50% actually pay these guys a grand if they lose their line of credit. No idea what their requirements are though.

[Peep]

But if u pay em and they go belly up because of scumbags like myself, then who is the sucker...

Certainly not me. I made a bet, lost a bet, paid for the loss. Nothing about that is being a sucker for me, it is just being a man about handling my finances and gambling responsibly.

If you think this is enough money to sell your personal integrity for, I feel sorry for you. I don't mind paying them if I lose at all, why would I? I made a bet, lost a bet, feel I should pay the bet.

Crazy morality being shown here. Like it is OK to screw someone if you can? Guess it is a way to live, but it is not the way I want to live. I would rather look for win/wins for both parties. Don't worry, as you get older you will have plenty of more opportunties to screw people over is that is what you want to do.

[Peep]

I would bet that way more than 50% pay their debts when they lose.

However this forum seems to be contaminated with a bunch of losers who couldn't pay their debts even if they wanted to.

I don't think this bunch should even be gambling. Their may or may not be honor amongst theives, but there has been honor amongst gamblers I have met over the years. We trusted each other, loaned money back and forth, and paid our debts.

Too old school for you to understand?