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    turning into the vaccine forum

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    They're not even looking out for number 1. They are just paranoid and can't sort facts from fake news.
    It seems like your the one brainwashed about fake news with all your liberal rhetoric

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    https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2021...rnia-counties/

    Oops

    California facts proving vaccine worthless

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    Quote Originally Posted by blankoblanco View Post
    Cancer isn't contagious, you absolute fcking idiot

    See the difference now? Goddamn moron
    You are too stupid to get the point. Definitely a liberal who voted for biden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by masr View Post
    It seems like your the one brainwashed about fake news with all your liberal rhetoric
    Exactly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kermit View Post
    How many people that had covid got covid again and died?
    An 18-year-old died of COVID-19. It was the second time he contracted the disease, relatives say.

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    • Wilber Portillo, from Denver, Colorado, died November 19, and days later his COVID-19 test came back positive.
    • The 18-year-old tested positive for COVID-19 during the first week of October, but he quarantined for a month then recovered and tested negative, Fox reported.
    • He fell ill in November, went to the doctor for a COVID-19 test, and died in his sleep that night, according to his family's GoFundMe.
    • Visit Insider's homepage for more stories.


    Wilber Portillo was feeling fine a month after testing positive for COVID-19. The 18-year-old from Denver had quarantined for a month after testing positive for the virus in the first week of October, Fox Denver 31 reported.
    Andrea Ferrel, Portillo's girlfriend, told Fox Denver 31 he thought he had developed immunity after he recovered, but within the second week of November Portillo fell ill again.
    His condition worsened, and Portillo went to the doctor on November 18 where he was diagnosed with a severe respiratory infection and tested for COVID-19.
    Portillo died in his sleep that night. Two days later, his COVID-19 test came back positive, the family said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac4Lyfe View Post
    An 18-year-old died of COVID-19. It was the second time he contracted the disease, relatives say.

    Canela López
    Jan 19, 2021, 12:16 PM










    GoFundMe
    • Wilber Portillo, from Denver, Colorado, died November 19, and days later his COVID-19 test came back positive.
    • The 18-year-old tested positive for COVID-19 during the first week of October, but he quarantined for a month then recovered and tested negative, Fox reported.
    • He fell ill in November, went to the doctor for a COVID-19 test, and died in his sleep that night, according to his family's GoFundMe.
    • Visit Insider's homepage for more stories.


    Wilber Portillo was feeling fine a month after testing positive for COVID-19. The 18-year-old from Denver had quarantined for a month after testing positive for the virus in the first week of October, Fox Denver 31 reported.
    Andrea Ferrel, Portillo's girlfriend, told Fox Denver 31 he thought he had developed immunity after he recovered, but within the second week of November Portillo fell ill again.
    His condition worsened, and Portillo went to the doctor on November 18 where he was diagnosed with a severe respiratory infection and tested for COVID-19.
    Portillo died in his sleep that night. Two days later, his COVID-19 test came back positive, the family said.
    So pretty much better chance at getting struck by lightning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnesotaFats View Post
    https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2021...rnia-counties/

    Oops

    California facts proving vaccine worthless
    Come on Minny. Did you even read the article or watch the video? It disputes your claim that vaccines are worthless. JFC

    I could give a $#it if anyone supports getting the vaccine or they are against it. I see valid arguments on both sides. But, regardless of the side of the fence you are on, at least fuk'n post data or articles that support your argument instead of posting BS that just makes you look uninformed or stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnesotaFats View Post
    https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2021...rnia-counties/
    Oops
    California facts proving vaccine worthless
    They've known about the Delta variant for a long time now. Did you read the rest of the article?

    DID YOU EVEN OPOEN THE ARTICLE?????????????

    It's not oops, it's why there is no cure for the common cold.

    If you had some sort of accurate frame of reference, you might understand.

    It's a corona virus and there's no reason to belive any antibodies will last more than 6 months to 2 years. SARS, MERS, none of them have a lasting immunity.

    This isn't really a surprise Minny, it's a coronavirus, they made a jab but they always knew it would mutate, amd just when they thought they were ahead, Delta got a ahead of them, it was and will always be possible. But it's not a surprise, it's only a suprise in as much as they had an mRNA jab to the virus so fast.

    Minny you do far too much editorializing when you don't understand the subject.

    "oops" LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    This isn't even about COVID or the vaccine at this point, it's about you just not knowing what you're posting about.

    Common man.

    "worthless" you don't even know the purpose of the vaccine, yet you judge it's worth. I'm not saying whethewr you're right either way, I'm not here to get into your vaxx deebate, but it's clear you don't know what you're talking about.

    Common man.

    Seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanko View Post
    Come on Minny. Did you even read the article or watch the video? It disputes your claim that vaccines are worthless. JFC

    I could give a $#it if anyone supports getting the vaccine or they are against it. I see valid arguments on both sides. But, regardless of the side of the fence you are on, at least fuk'n post data or articles that support your argument instead of posting BS that just makes you look uninformed or stupid.
    It's horrible Tanko.

    MinnyFatty is acting like one of the dumbest posters I've seen in a long time.

    A pure idiot. Is he one? Yeah probably at this point, but I don't really care. But SBR doesn't deserve this kind of bullshit.

    I'm sorry I have to say it. Nothing personal Minny, but as a poster, you are just plain not very bright.

    It isn't even about the topic, it's just a general trend. Turrible.

    Hope all is well Tanko.


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    I'm sorry

    Does the article not specifically cited multiple Counties in CA with above average vaccination rates that also are leading the State in reinfection rate while simultaneously citing several Counties with lower vaccination rates that are well below Statewide infection levels?

    Against all common sense and facts presented, why would anyone continue to push for mandated vaccination here when the jabs do not work, the data shows in California, Isreal, UK, India, Germany that the reinfection rate is already over 40%.

    It does not work to cure, prevent, stop transmission or kill the virus and even those vaxxed are spreaders. They are being asked to wear masks indoors, at schools, on planes & busses & and at work.

    The vaxxed are no different in terms of contageousness than the unvaxxed...yet there is a liberal agenda here to force upon free and healthy individuals, a non FDA approved drug.

    The article is clear in the facts. Forget what the talking heads try to spin in the later paragraphs, look at the facts.

    The vaccination effort is worthless

    You gonna get a booster every 6 months for the rest of your life and still wear a mask because you believe this liberal shit, or are you going to live your life on your terms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KVB View Post
    It's horrible Tanko.

    MinnyFatty is acting like one of the dumbest posters I've seen in a long time.

    A pure idiot. Is he one? Yeah probably at this point, but I don't really care. But SBR doesn't deserve this kind of bullshit.

    I'm sorry I have to say it. Nothing personal Minny, but as a poster, you are just plain not very bright.

    It isn't even about the topic, it's just a general trend. Turrible.

    Hope all is well Tanko.

    Im not even a liberal but I've never been more proud to be called one than in these times

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnesotaFats View Post
    I'm sorry

    Does the article not specifically cited multiple Counties in CA with above average vaccination rates that also are leading the State in reinfection rate while simultaneously citing several Counties with lower vaccination rates that are well below Statewide infection levels?

    Against all common sense and facts presented, why would anyone continue to push for mandated vaccination here when the jabs do not work, the data shows in California, Isreal, UK, India, Germany that the reinfection rate is already over 40%.

    It does not work to cure, prevent, stop transmission or kill the virus and even those vaxxed are spreaders. They are being asked to wear masks indoors, at schools, on planes & busses & and at work.

    The vaxxed are no different in terms of contageousness than the unvaxxed...yet there is a liberal agenda here to force upon free and healthy individuals, a non FDA approved drug.

    The article is clear in the facts. Forget what the talking heads try to spin in the later paragraphs, look at the facts.

    The vaccination effort is worthless

    You gonna get a booster every 6 months for the rest of your life and still wear a mask because you believe this liberal shit, or are you going to live your life on your terms?
    Thank god you're an incel and cant pass along your genes

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    God bless the trump vaccine

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnesotaFats View Post
    I'm sorry

    Does the article not specifically cited multiple Counties in CA with above average vaccination rates that also are leading the State in reinfection rate while simultaneously citing several Counties with lower vaccination rates that are well below Statewide infection levels?

    Against all common sense and facts presented, why would anyone continue to push for mandated vaccination here when the jabs do not work, the data shows in California, Isreal, UK, India, Germany that the reinfection rate is already over 40%.

    It does not work to cure, prevent, stop transmission or kill the virus and even those vaxxed are spreaders. They are being asked to wear masks indoors, at schools, on planes & busses & and at work.

    The vaxxed are no different in terms of contageousness than the unvaxxed...yet there is a liberal agenda here to force upon free and healthy individuals, a non FDA approved drug.

    The article is clear in the facts. Forget what the talking heads try to spin in the later paragraphs, look at the facts.

    The vaccination effort is worthless

    You gonna get a booster every 6 months for the rest of your life and still wear a mask because you believe this liberal shit, or are you going to live your life on your terms?
    There is nothing about re-infection in what you posted. Re-infection isn't mentioned at all. The video/article not about getting covid19 for a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th time.

    This is about the lesser effectiveness of vaccines against the more contagious Delta variant. Essentially if X number of un-vaccinated people are put in a scenario and 100 of them become infected whereas if X number of vaccinated people are put in the same scenario 40 will become infected.

    I'd rather be in the group where 40 get sick rather than the group where 100 get sick. Heck, i'd rather be in a group where 90 get sick rather than a group where 100 get sick.

    I'd rather get a booster every 6 months than get infected every 6 months. The question is whether the vaccine poses enough danger through other possible effects to outweigh the value of the protection it provides. For most people it should be pretty clear cut. Where it's marginal people it's a difficult choice. Everyone should have the right to NOT get it. However, whilst it might be marginal on an individual personal level it's clearly a benefit for the rest of society if those individuals do get it, so if they don't they should expect to have some unsympathetic restrictions placed upon them.

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    Dems and fake news ramping up the pressure to get the jab now! Better do it or else.

    If the Dems and the fake news media really cared about the spread of COVID they would shut down the Southern Border with millions of illegals coming in and bused and or flown all over the Country with Covid.

    Most don't even get tested and many don't want the vax shot either when first entering the US.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/imm...id-19-vaccines

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac4Lyfe View Post
    An 18-year-old died of COVID-19. It was the second time he contracted the disease, relatives say.

    Canela López
    Jan 19, 2021, 12:16 PM










    GoFundMe
    • Wilber Portillo, from Denver, Colorado, died November 19, and days later his COVID-19 test came back positive.
    • The 18-year-old tested positive for COVID-19 during the first week of October, but he quarantined for a month then recovered and tested negative, Fox reported.
    • He fell ill in November, went to the doctor for a COVID-19 test, and died in his sleep that night, according to his family's GoFundMe.
    • Visit Insider's homepage for more stories.


    Wilber Portillo was feeling fine a month after testing positive for COVID-19. The 18-year-old from Denver had quarantined for a month after testing positive for the virus in the first week of October, Fox Denver 31 reported.
    Andrea Ferrel, Portillo's girlfriend, told Fox Denver 31 he thought he had developed immunity after he recovered, but within the second week of November Portillo fell ill again.
    His condition worsened, and Portillo went to the doctor on November 18 where he was diagnosed with a severe respiratory infection and tested for COVID-19.
    Portillo died in his sleep that night. Two days later, his COVID-19 test came back positive, the family said.

    LOL they have no idea what he died of. Was 99.9% an overdose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac4Lyfe View Post
    An 18-year-old died of COVID-19. It was the second time he contracted the disease, relatives say.

    Canela López
    Jan 19, 2021, 12:16 PM










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    • Wilber Portillo, from Denver, Colorado, died November 19, and days later his COVID-19 test came back positive.
    • The 18-year-old tested positive for COVID-19 during the first week of October, but he quarantined for a month then recovered and tested negative, Fox reported.
    • He fell ill in November, went to the doctor for a COVID-19 test, and died in his sleep that night, according to his family's GoFundMe.
    • Visit Insider's homepage for more stories.


    Wilber Portillo was feeling fine a month after testing positive for COVID-19. The 18-year-old from Denver had quarantined for a month after testing positive for the virus in the first week of October, Fox Denver 31 reported.
    Andrea Ferrel, Portillo's girlfriend, told Fox Denver 31 he thought he had developed immunity after he recovered, but within the second week of November Portillo fell ill again.
    His condition worsened, and Portillo went to the doctor on November 18 where he was diagnosed with a severe respiratory infection and tested for COVID-19.
    Portillo died in his sleep that night. Two days later, his COVID-19 test came back positive, the family said.
    Ok, that's 1, and it looks like you had to dig deep to find it. And with all of the false-positive tests that were taking place last year, who knows if he even had covid the first time?

    My mother was forced to get her 1st shot last Friday(she is required to be fully vaccinated in order to see a ear specialist in Pittsburgh for a loss of hearing in one of her ears)

    She got sick Saturday night and then started running a 103 degree fever yesterday and my dad just took her to the hospital. She already had covid back in November and didn't want to get the vaccine, but had no choice. She is scheduled to get the 2nd shot August 20th.

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    Iceland, where nearly the ENTIRE adult population is fully vaccinated, is setting daily records for new infections, mostly among the vaccinated.
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    I'd say more then half the deaths reported from Covid from the start were from other underlying conditions in people and not Covid itself..

    You die in the hospital so they just check it off to Covid if they aren't sure just because you tested positive.. Rack up those numbers and fear..
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    Quote Originally Posted by coop-dog View Post
    Iceland, where nearly the ENTIRE adult population is fully vaccinated, is setting daily records for new infections, mostly among the vaccinated.
    Not even a surprise at this point.

    The Jab works only for a few days

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    Quote Originally Posted by JIBBBY View Post
    I'd say more then half the deaths reported from Covid from the start were from other underlying conditions in people and not Covid itself..

    You die in the hospital so they just check it off to Covid if they aren't sure just because you tested positive.. Rack up those numbers and fear..
    ...........of course, then throw in the 70+ year olds.

    Seriously, what is the true DEATH COUNT from covid-19 for healthy people 40 and under in the USA..................a couple hundred??
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    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/whi...rates-n1275012

    Vaxxed carry just as much viral load as unvaxxed....

    Spread just as much and still get reinfected...

    And yet Biden & the lefties push this fake narrative further & further

    The science is here people
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    Quote Originally Posted by JIBBBY View Post
    Dems and fake news ramping up the pressure to get the jab now! Better do it or else.

    If the Dems and the fake news media really cared about the spread of COVID they would shut down the Southern Border with millions of illegals coming in and bused and or flown all over the Country with Covid.

    Most don't even get tested and many don't want the vax shot either when first entering the US.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/imm...id-19-vaccines

    Been taking some of this ammo apart, man this lead doesn't taste so good. Let's just say I will die like a warrior before bowing down at the altar of jabbo. That's right. That's my line in the sand. I'm willing to die for it too. This is it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishhead View Post
    Not even a surprise at this point.

    The Jab works only for a few days
    What's your job title and job description over there at the CDC?

    Thought so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    What's your job title and job description over there at the CDC?

    Thought so.
    No way in hell is the cdc completely honest. Dr fauci even has been proven a liar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demonata View Post
    No way in hell is the cdc completely honest. Dr fauci even has been proven a liar.
    But you guys all know so much more on topics like science and medicine and such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    But you guys all know so much more on topics like science and medicine and such.
    I go by who I talk to live in person than the biased news. I have lots of connections in the medical field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demonata View Post
    I go by who I talk to live in person than the biased news. I have lots of connections in the medical field.
    Name three.

    I can name three.
    My hip surgeon for one disagrees with your point of view for insance.
    So does my GP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hehfest View Post
    Been taking some of this ammo apart, man this lead doesn't taste so good. Let's just say I will die like a warrior before bowing down at the altar of jabbo. That's right. That's my line in the sand. I'm willing to die for it too. This is it.
    The vax probably works and all that but I just hate being forced to anything when it comes to BIG Government.

    If I want to die from Covid then let me die from Covid damn it!! If you got the jab then you should be protected like big daddy Gov says.

    It's the mixed messages that really irritates me now..

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Name three.

    I can name three.
    My hip surgeon for one disagrees with your point of view for insance.
    So does my GP.
    I can name probably near 100. I have been to 9 hospitals around the country. Since I travel alot for protests and political debates. I really wanted to talk to them in person since it's obvious the news is biased so only the democrats will believe it since it supports there political party. I admit some of them did not agree but around 80% of them agreed with what I'm saying and believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demonata View Post
    I can name probably near 100. I have been to 9 hospitals around the country. Since I travel alot for protests and political debates. I really wanted to talk to them in person since it's obvious the news is biased so only the democrats will believe it since it supports there political party. I admit some of them did not agree but around 80% of them agreed with what I'm saying and believe.
    Listen.
    Like I said in another post, your posts have been solid and I'm not looking to go to war with you.
    Peace.
    We have to agree to disagree at this point, I make it a point to speak about COVID to all medical professionals (if I/we get the chance)

    I see two specialists, both for sports related injuries suffered in the past, and one regular GP.
    All their opinions are the vaccine is 99 percent safe.

    I'm not a paid medical professional, I trust the ones I (or my insurance) pays for.
    I'm just an IT Geek that knows maybe, just maybe a little more than the common man when it comes to all things medical.

    I trust the medical professionals I deal with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Listen.
    Like I said in another post, your posts have been solid and I'm not looking to go to war with you.
    Peace.
    We have to agree to disagree at this point, I make it a point to speak about COVID to all medical professionals (if I/we get the chance)

    I see two specialists, both for sports related injuries suffered in the past, and one regular GP.
    All their opinions are the vaccine is 99 percent safe.

    I'm not a paid medical professional, I trust the ones I (or my insurance) pays for.
    I'm just an IT Geek that knows maybe, just maybe a little more than the common man when it comes to all things medical.

    I trust the medical professionals I deal with.
    I also spoke to one person that was even making the vaccine that wont get it. He said their are things in that vaccine you don't want in your body. I trust my immune system more but I am healthy with no underlying conditions and had covid already so I have the antibodies. We all will believe what we choose to. At least we can probably agree you should be free to get it or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demonata View Post
    I also spoke to one person that was even making the vaccine that wont get it. He said their are things in that vaccine you don't want in your body. I trust my immune system more but I am healthy with no underlying conditions and had covid already so I have the antibodies. We all will believe what we choose to. At least we can probably agree you should be free to get it or not.
    In regards to your last sentence.
    100 percent agree.

    At this point, I feel (my personal opinion), remember I am a highly opinionated person that does rub some the wrong way, to which it doesn't really bother me, is that the vaccines should not be forced on every person.

    I like what the police union is saying, "get vaccinated, but if you don't you will be tested once a week, every week, but your job will not be in jeopardy if you don't get vaccinated. (or something close to that extent)
    That's very, very reasonable.

    Me, personally?
    I got the original vaccine this past spring, have yet to get a second.
    I may or may not based on what two of my doctors advise later in August when I see them both again.

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    Speaking of nurses and medical professionals, an estimated 30% are still not vaccinated. That's makes you scratch your head.

    I saw on the news just last night 30% still weren't vaxxed working in hospitals in America with the polling.

    This link touches on that. https://www.modernhealthcare.com/lab...covid-vaccines

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