[muldoon]

There is overwhelming scientific evidence that humans, in our current state, simply appeared out of thin air.

Your turn. Provide this overwhelming evidence that we appeared out of thin air.

[Footy4Jesus]

Here this creep implies that if you are not a religious nut like him, you are suffering, having doubt and turmoil in your soul, etc.

He also does not explain how becoming a religious creep like him actually would erase those problems, because they dont, but make them worse. Ignoring thing's does not make them go away and that is the foundation for the followers of the foul program.

You need Jesus.

[lucullus]

You need Jesus.

[SBR_John]

Your turn. Provide this overwhelming evidence that we appeared out of thin air.

The evidence is a lack of evidence that Man existed prior to 200,000 years ago. Are you going to pick and chose facts or select only the ones that fit your narrative?

If man did evolve he did not do it on earth.

[SamDiamond]

The evidence is a lack of evidence that Man existed prior to 200,000 years ago. Are you going to pick and chose facts or select only the ones that fit your narrative?

If man did evolve he did not do it on earth.

Really John.

There is no proof of any kind that man existed more than 200,000 years ago?

None? Have you really thought this one through?

Does research from Harvard count, or were are they part of the liberal beast?



http://www.pnas.org/content/early/20...b-0324280b7af4

[muldoon]

The evidence is a lack of evidence

Interesting.

So you're using essentially similar logic that (some) atheists use to explain their lack of belief in a God.

Talk about picking and choosing to fit a narrative.

[Footy4Jesus]

You can roll around on the floor all you want. This life is but a blink of an eye compared to your eternity and nobody who denies God will be laughing then.

You have made it your mission to personally attack me throughout this thread because I speak something that makes you uncomfortable. Go ahead and continue to mock me, but I honestly feel sorry for you. Your life must be miserable. We don't even know each other but you just cant help yourself to try destroying me. Its not going to happen though because my God is more powerful than yours. Its unbelievable how talking to you is like speaking to the devil himself: mocking me any chance you can get, twisting my words, misquoting scripture, the Jew-bashing, all of the vile hatred that comes out of your mouth. You literally have nothing good to say. Your soul is so corrupt my brother I fear for you. Flee from your wickedness and walk towards the light before your final opportunity passes you by.

[SamDiamond]

You can roll around on the floor all you want. This life is but a blink of an eye compared to your eternity and nobody who denies God will be laughing then.

You have made it your mission to personally attack me throughout this thread because I speak something that makes you uncomfortable. Go ahead and continue to mock me, but I honestly feel sorry for you. Your life must be miserable. We don't even know each other but you just cant help yourself to try destroying me. Its not going to happen though because my God is more powerful than yours. Its unbelievable how talking to you is like speaking to the devil himself: mocking me any chance you can get, twisting my words, misquoting scripture, the Jew-bashing, all of the vile hatred that comes out of your mouth. You literally have nothing good to say. Your soul is so corrupt my brother I fear for you. Flee from your wickedness and walk towards the light before your final opportunity passes you by.

Footy-- I am not making fun of you, or your faith.

But when you talk about "God", which "God" is that exactly?

Is it the god that Christians have faith in? The Buddhists? The Mulisms?

There are roughly-- 4000 recognized groups of faith in this world-- which one is right?

[muldoon]

You can roll around on the floor all you want. This life is but a blink of an eye compared to your eternity and nobody who denies God will be laughing then.

The age old canard of the offended believer. Get offended or off put, resort to ye ol "you'll burn for this!"

You admit to having lived the life of a scammer/cheat. Now because you (conveniently found) Jesus, you've obviously made amends for all that wrongdoing and now feel comfortable to sit in judgement of others.

"My God is stronger than yours"
"Your soul is so corrupt"
"talking to you is like speaking to the devil"
"Flee from your wickedness and walk towards the light"

Luke 4:23 dude.

[Footy4Jesus]

Footy-- I am not making fun of you, or your faith.

But when you talk about "God", which "God" is that exactly?

Is it the god that Christians have faith in? The Buddhists? The Mulisms?

There are roughly-- 4000 recognized groups of faith in this world-- which one is right?

Great question. Jesus tells us that if you knock on that door, it will be opened to you. Seek, and you will find. Luke 11:9-10

[zizoudane10]

John
Dont tell your coccyx or your appendix that
They won't understand

Sharps on Evolution.
Squares on Creationism.

Fixed. /Thread

So without anyone being able to go back possibly billions of years to explain the origins of abiogenesis, you refute everything else posted?

You ask for answers from science, yet show your hand with comments like "the so called scientists".

Because science can't answer (to your satisfaction) all your questions, you decide that the teachings of a Rome based pedo-protecting collection of celibates is your own best bet for eternal salvation?

Science can only postulate theories as to how the initial cell walls were formed along with the origins of life
http://www.space.com/3511-enduring-m...fe-origin.html

Your hope is that people will throw up their hands and accept that the idea of a master creator is viable because of things like pretty sunsets or the smiles of a baby (or just that concepts like time and life are still in flux)

For folks like yourself, no answer but the one you already believe will be good enough.

[Footy4Jesus]

The age old canard of the offended believer. Get offended or off put, resort to ye ol "you'll burn for this!"

You admit to having lived the life of a scammer/cheat. Now because you (conveniently found) Jesus, you've obviously made amends for all that wrongdoing and now feel comfortable to sit in judgement of others.

"My God is stronger than yours"
"Your soul is so corrupt"
"talking to you is like speaking to the devil"
"Flee from your wickedness and walk towards the light"

Luke 4:23 dude.

Im not offended at all and note I never said that he or you, me, or anyone else for that matter will burn for it. I am not to judge who gets into heaven or not. That is for God to do and we all will be put to the fire on the day of judgement including myself.

Because i have admitted that i am a sinner you want to use that against me. We all are sinners. none of us are blameless.

John 8:5-12
In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
11 “No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”


Yes, I have found Jesus and repented for the scammer/cheat/sinful life I once had and you can too, Muldoon. You seem to think that because of someones past they are held to that label and cant change. Jesus gave us that hope and saving grace to make it possible for us all to become new creatures in the hand of Christ and delivered from evil.


And as for the scripture you quote: Luke 4:20-25


Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”
22 All spoke well of him and were amazed at the gracious words that came from his lips. “Isn’t this Joseph’s son?” they asked.
23 Jesus said to them, “Surely you will quote this proverb to me: ‘Physician, heal yourself!’ And you will tell me, ‘Do here in your hometown what we have heard that you did in Capernaum.’”

24 “Truly I tell you,” he continued, “no prophet is accepted in his hometown.

Im not sure what point you are trying to make, but great scripture.

[muldoon]

Im not offended at all and note I never said that he or you, me, or anyone else for that matter will burn for it.

This life is but a blink of an eye compared to your eternity and nobody who denies God will be laughing then

Sounds like you have a pretty good idea what you think/believe will happen and are trying to use that to convince someone to suddenly believe.

In previous posts, you talked about being a thief, banging married women (no doubt helping break up a few marriages) and then the usual stuff you consider sins. Have you honestly made amends for all this?

For a person with a solid moral compass, that's a lot of burden to carry around.

If you've actually paid back everyone you've stolen from, and apologized to the husbands and kids (assuming some were mothers) etc, then I apologize and congratulate you. If not, is trying to convince a jew-hater or non believer how you feel bad for them, or pray for them the same to you?

There's a reason why so many incarcerated people find solace in religion. Making amends face to face is logistically impossible, but, just as religion offers one the ability to externalize blame, many religions offer the ability to externalize true penance and forgiveness too. Religion/Belief is a lot of things, and convenience is just one aspect that makes it appealing.

[zizoudane10]

Great question. Jesus tells us that if you knock on that door, it will be opened to you. Seek, and you will find. Luke 11:9-10

I am all for Wôðanaz. He sacrificed himself, hanging himself from Yggdrasil for 9 days and nights, only to come back stronger.
His wolves Freki and Geri are pretty badass, too.
And his horse Sleipnir, hell yeah, 4 goddamn legs. Would love to bet on him in a race.
(Shit was written, so it's true)

Min in Egypt was pretty cool as well, all about Sex this dude.
But they didn't like him anymore, so they combined him with two others, being Min-Chenticheti-Sokar, and WOW, that was sick!
(It's true btw, all written down)

Marduk and Mušḫuššu, supercool. Marduk had 50 Names, yeah. And we should be oh so thankful that Marduk and his Dad finally made us from the Blood of Kingu and brick clay.
(guess that has to be true as well, because hey: it's written down)

So basically: Fukk god. And mother Mary (ah forget it, God already did). And the Zombie-dude. Heard it all before. Try something new.





And lol lol and triple-lol to the guys wanting "evidence" for evolution of men. It's all there. What do you idiots expect? A skull of a human man with a body of an ape with a tail? lmao.

You guys are really not able to understand that the evidence is all there. And it isn't just one line. Many lines of men. Strongest living today. From monkey, to ape, to ape, to bipedal hominids to other bipedal hominids, to one line of humans, spreading in 2 (3,4,5 etc) lines and so on. 200.000 years? lol gtfo. You didn't understand it obv. What was before those 200.000 years? No bipedal hominids right? Lol yeah ok.... DNA in Spain was found, 400.000 years btw. And yes, it's a perfect bipedal hominid. And there are older ones. No DNA though, but plenty of bones. But whatever, just see what you wanna see. In the Name of Zombieboy Jesus please. Coccyx and Appendix? Oh sorry, seems to be wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy over your heads


There's a reason "Jesus loves you" has a whole different meaning in Mexico
I think Jesus was supergay and his disciples were male escorts.
Philly seems to be pretty gay for Jesus, too.
Well, only reason Mary got pregnant was because God was gay and needed a surrogate....
Satan is a lesbian though.
I'm cool with both, let'em be.

[PhillyFlyers]

So without anyone being able to go back possibly billions of years to explain the origins of abiogenesis, you refute everything else posted?

You ask for answers from science, yet show your hand with comments like "the so called scientists".

Because science can't answer (to your satisfaction) all your questions, you decide that the teachings of a Rome based pedo-protecting collection of celibates is your own best bet for eternal salvation?

Science can only postulate theories as to how the initial cell walls were formed along with the origins of life
http://www.space.com/3511-enduring-m...fe-origin.html

Your hope is that people will throw up their hands and accept that the idea of a master creator is viable because of things like pretty sunsets or the smiles of a baby (or just that concepts like time and life are still in flux)

For folks like yourself, no answer but the one you already believe will be good enough.

The fact is, you nor any evolutionist on earth can't answer my simple question.

It's just a simple question.

Shouldn't a viable, working theory be able to answer at least a basic question in relation to it's field?

Here is another HUGE problem. It's not just one question that evolution can't answer. It's very many pertinent questions that it simply has no answer for.

[zizoudane10]

The fact is, you nor any evolutionist on earth can't answer my simple question.

It's just a simple question.

Shouldn't a viable, working theory be able to answer at least a basic question in relation to it's field?

Here is another HUGE problem. It's not just one question that evolution can't answer. It's very many pertinent questions that it simply has no answer for.

Like your "god" right?
L'chaim double standard

[PhillyFlyers]

Like your "god" right?
L'chaim double standard

You can come to God and creation through simple logic.

Likewise, you can refute evolution with the same.

[PhillyFlyers]

CAN ANYONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION?!

How did a mixture of lifeless chemicals spontaneously organize themselves into the first living cell?

[zizoudane10]

I think we can start measuring our roosters now, thread is basically dead.

I'll start:



Thing is massive (compare it to the chicken!!!) and the main reason why I walk into the club saying "Whatupp I got a big C.OCK"

[PhillyFlyers]

I think we can start measuring our roosters now, thread is basically dead.

I'll start:



Thing is massive (compare it to the chicken!!!) and the main reason why I walk into the club saying "Whatupp I got a big C.OCK"

How is the thread dead when no one has yet answered my question? And if it is dead, does this mean the evolutionists waive the white flag?

[SamDiamond]

CAN ANYONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION?!

How did a mixture of lifeless chemicals spontaneously organize themselves into the first living cell?

The Oparin-Haldane Principle

In the early decades of the 20th century, Aleksandr Oparin (in 1924), and John Haldane (in 1929, before Oparin's first book was translated into English), independently suggested that if the primitive atmosphere was reducing (as opposed to oxygen-rich), and if there was an appropriate supply of energy, such as lightning or ultraviolet light, then a wide range of organic compounds might be synthesised.

Oparin suggested that the organic compounds could have undergone a series of reactions leading to more and more complex molecules. He proposed that the molecules formed colloid aggregates, or 'coacervates', in an aqueous environment. The coacervates were able to absorb and assimilate organic compounds from the environment in a way reminiscent of metabolism. They would have taken part in evolutionary processes, eventually leading to the first lifeforms.
Haldane's ideas about the origin of life were very similar to Oparin's. Haldane proposed that the primordial sea served as a vast chemical laboratory powered by solar energy. The atmosphere was oxygen free, and the combination of carbon dioxide, ammonia and ultraviolet radiation gave rise to a host of organic compounds. The sea became a 'hot dilute soup' containing large populations of organic monomers and polymers. Haldane envisaged that groups of monomers and polymers aquired lipid membranes, and that further developments eventually led to the first living cells.


Haldane coined the term 'prebiotic soup', and this became a powerful symbol of the Oparin-Haldane view of the origin of life.




Now here's the part where Philly claims to know more than Organic Chemists, with PhDs.

[zizoudane10]

How is the thread dead when no one has yet answered my question? And if it is dead, does this mean the evolutionists waive the white flag?

You already waved it since you chose to ignore the facts. Plus my initial post. Done deal here. Again, like another guy mentioned: We as the SBR community are proud that you think so high of us, that you want an answer rather from us than from science.


P.S.: You didn't post a pic of your rooster. You are out.

[PhillyFlyers]

The Oparin-Haldane Principle

In the early decades of the 20th century, Aleksandr Oparin (in 1924), and John Haldane (in 1929, before Oparin's first book was translated into English), independently suggested that if the primitive atmosphere was reducing (as opposed to oxygen-rich), and if there was an appropriate supply of energy, such as lightning or ultraviolet light, then a wide range of organic compounds might be synthesised.

Oparin suggested that the organic compounds could have undergone a series of reactions leading to more and more complex molecules. He proposed that the molecules formed colloid aggregates, or 'coacervates', in an aqueous environment. The coacervates were able to absorb and assimilate organic compounds from the environment in a way reminiscent of metabolism. They would have taken part in evolutionary processes, eventually leading to the first lifeforms.
Haldane's ideas about the origin of life were very similar to Oparin's. Haldane proposed that the primordial sea served as a vast chemical laboratory powered by solar energy. The atmosphere was oxygen free, and the combination of carbon dioxide, ammonia and ultraviolet radiation gave rise to a host of organic compounds. The sea became a 'hot dilute soup' containing large populations of organic monomers and polymers. Haldane envisaged that groups of monomers and polymers aquired lipid membranes, and that further developments eventually led to the first living cells.


Haldane coined the term 'prebiotic soup', and this became a powerful symbol of the Oparin-Haldane view of the origin of life.




Now here's the part where Philly clams to know more than Organic Chemists, with PhDs.

Still doesn't answer the question though.

Very many "if's" and "coulds" for it to be credible.

"If" my aunt had balls she would be my uncle.

[PhillyFlyers]

You already waved it since you chose to ignore the facts. Plus my initial post. Done deal here. Again, like another guy mentioned: We as the SBR community are proud that you think so high of us, that you want an answer rather from us than from science.


P.S.: You didn't post a pic of your rooster. You are out.

I ignored facts?

What "facts"?

I am the only one here who's answered every point ut to me and yet no one has answered my one simple question.

[SamDiamond]

CAN ANYONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION?!

How did a mixture of lifeless chemicals spontaneously organize themselves into the first living cell?

You need more? Fine.

The Miller-Urey Experiments proved amino acids-- the building blocks of humans cells could be created from just the earth's atmosphere.

The Miller-Urey Experiment

In 1952, Harold Urey tried to calculate the chemical constituents of the atmosphere of the early Earth. He based his calculations on the (then) widely held view that the early atmosphere was reducing, and concluded that the main constituents were methane (CH₄), ammonia (NH₃), hydrogen (H₂), and water (H₂O). He suggested that his student, Stanley Miller, should do an experiment attempting to synthesise organic compounds in such an atmosphere.Miller carried out an experiment in 1953 in which he passed a continuous spark discharge at 60,000 Volts through a flask containing the gases identified by Urey, along with water. Miller found that after a week, most of the ammonia and much of the methane had been consumed. The main gaseous products were carbon monoxide (CO) and nitrogen (N₂). In addition, there was an accumulation of dark material in the water. Few of the specific constituents of this could not be identified, but it was clear that the material included a large range of organic polymers.
Analysis of the aqueous solution showed that the following had also been synthesised:-

• 25 amino acids (the main ones being glycine, alanine and aspartic acid)
• Several fatty acids
• Hydroxy acids
• Amide products

The Miller-Urey experiment was immediately recognised as an important breakthrough in the study of the origin of life. It was received as confirmation that several of the key molecules of life could have been synthesised on the primitive Earth in the kind of conditions envisaged by Oparin and Haldane. These molecules would then have been able to take part in 'prebiotic' chemical processes, leading to the origin of life.

[SamDiamond]

Still doesn't answer the question though.

Very many "if's" and "coulds" for it to be credible.

"If" my aunt had balls she would be my uncle.

But a book written 400 years after Jesus died-- is more accurate?

No "ifs" in that one?

[PhillyFlyers]

But a book written 400 years after Jesus died-- is more accurate?

No "ifs" in that one?

No Sam. No "ifs" in the Bible. The Bible is perfectly clear as to how man got here. No guessing. No "Ifs" or "Could haves" or "Would haves" involved.

[zizoudane10]

No ifs in Odins world too.

He was there first. He wins. All written down. Bible is done.

[PhillyFlyers]

No ifs in Odins world too.

He was there first. He wins. All written down. Bible is done.

Nowhere does it say Odin was the creator of the first man and woman and named them Adam and Eve.

[SamDiamond]

No Sam. No "ifs" in the Bible. The Bible is perfectly clear as to how man got here. No guessing. No "Ifs" or "Could haves" or "Would haves" involved.

Philly--- You asked a question. I answered. No dickish comments from me--

Now, I'd like to ask you a question.

And it is not me trying to be a dick.

This "bible" of yours.

Adam and Eve. Two kids. Cain an Abel.

Okay-- for the next generation to be born-- one of those two kids-- Cain or Abel had to have sex with their own mother-- and then for the next 3-4 generations after that-- incest ---sex between parents, kids, siblings-- all needed to happen to keep the population going.

Is that really what your god would have allowed to happen?

Is that really the best a christian god could come up with?

You talk about logic-- okay, fine. Adam/Eve had 2 kids--if incest didn't occur-- who were the other humans-- they sure as hell were never mentioned in your bible.

[zizoudane10]

Nowhere does it say Odin was the creator of the first man and woman and named them Adam and Eve.

No sweetheart: In fact they are not named Adam and Eve BUT Ask and Embla
Ǫnd þau né átto, óð þau né hǫfðo,
lá né læti né lito góða.
Ǫnd gaf Óðinn, óð gaf Hœnir,
lá gaf Lóðurr ok lito góða

Well, that's not the original, but from the 13th century. It's beginnings are way older than the Bible though.

[PhillyFlyers]

Philly--- You asked a question. I answered. No dickish comments from me--

Now, I'd like to ask you a question.

And it is not me trying to be a dick.

This "bible" of yours.

Adam and Eve. Two kids. Cain an Abel.

Okay-- for the next generation to be born-- one of those two kids-- Cain or Abel had to have sex with their own mother-- and then for the next 3-4 generations after that-- incest ---sex between parents, kids, siblings-- all needed to happen to keep the population going.

Is that really what your god would have allowed to happen?

Is that really the best a christian god could come up with?

You talk about logic-- okay, fine. Adam/Eve had 2 kids--if incest didn't occur-- who were the other humans-- they sure as hell were never mentioned in your bible.

The answer you seek is that , yes, the human race was originally propagated through incest.

Remember though, before you criticize, that this was the way God chose to populate the earth. As such, it was divinely ordained.

[PhillyFlyers]

No sweetheart: In fact they are not named Adam and Eve BUT Ask and Embla
Ǫnd þau né átto, óð þau né hǫfðo,
lá né læti né lito góða.
Ǫnd gaf Óðinn, óð gaf Hœnir,
lá gaf Lóðurr ok lito góða

Well, that's not the original, but from the 13th century. It's beginnings are way older than the Bible though.

Oh really, does that epic poem also say how sin and death came into the world? Does it tell us how different languages and civilizations originally formed? Does it tell us Odin promised to send a redeemer, his son?

It's just a poem. Spiritually, it's worth nothing.

[zizoudane10]

The answer you seek is that , yes, the human race was originally propagated through incest.

Remember though, before you criticize, that this was the way God chose to populate the earth. As such, it was divinely ordained.

HELL NO!

At first, there was Allfather. He was living in "nothing", everything was "empty" (Ginnungagap). Out of nothing Yggdrasil the Esche came.
Ginnungagap was melting (well, why not, Allfather wanted it) and a cow was there (Audhumla). Ymir, an ice giant, was drinking her milk. While Audhumla was licking on salty ice, suddenly, on the first day the hair of something was seen in the eyes where she licked it away. On the third day, she licked it all away and out came Buri, Father of all gods (not to be mistaken for Allfather!). While the cow was licking the salty ice, uncovering Buri, Ymir the ice giant was sleeping. And while he was sleeping oh so sweet he was heavily sweating (because the cow was warm). And oh wonder, out of his sweat the first man and the first woman were created.

(that's another version from the same story, that - again - goes faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar back and is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay older than the first bible. In fact it is damn fukkin much older. I thinks someone cheated and knew some books and decided to create another story, Adam and Eve because it had to be a bit more modern.... No cows and ice giants and shit, that's childish ^^

[zizoudane10]

Oh really, does that epic poem also say how sin and death came into the world? Does it tell us how different languages and civilizations originally formed? Does it tell us Odin promised to send a redeemer, his son?

It's just a poem. Spiritually, it's worth nothing.

Odin was the redeemer himself (just like god, who is the redeemer himself because he is as well Jesus and the wholy spirit), he sacrificed himself on Yggdrasil for the well being of us all. And yes, he came back. (9 days later, but who cares).
And hell yeah, you better believe that the story says a damn lot about sin and evil. And how it came into the world. And oh yeah, it does speak about different races and languages. And tbh, it's way mored detailed then some tower of bable shit ^^