[Wiggums5]

Completely false. The wargame simulation of hijacked commercial planes didn't take place until June 2002. June 2001 had a cruise missile from a rogue nation as its simulation.

If you really want the truth, I suggest you read this whole page (and site if you have time), so you can see how Alex Jones and others manipulated facts and quotes to spew their conspiracy garbage. This goes in detail about the war games, and other aspects of 9/11 on their other pages.

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/War_Games

I didn't read the whole site because I really don't care to, but you can believe the websites you want and I will do the same. Just type in 9/11 war games into google and you will get a million websites contradicting each other, so why should I believe the link you posted?

[pronk]

No proof no care

Mr. Sheep, Pieczenik said that he was perfectly willing to reveal the name of the general who told him 9/11 was an inside job in a federal court, "so that we can unravel this thing legally, not with the stupid 9/11 Commission that was absurd."
During his interview with the Alex Jones Show, Pieczenik also asserted he was directly told by a prominent general that 9/11 was a stand down and a false flag operation, and that he is prepared to go to a grand jury to reveal the general's name.

"They ran the attacks," said Pieczenik, naming Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Stephen Hadley, Elliott Abrams, and Condoleezza Rice among others as having been directly involved.

"It was called a stand down, a false flag operation in order to mobilize the American public under false pretenses….

it was told to me even by the general on the staff of Wolfowitz – I will go in front of a federal committee and swear on perjury who the name was of the individual so that we can break it open," said Pieczenik, adding that he was "furious" and "knew it had happened."

Im an American. The one thing you dont do as an American is you dont play and mess with my constitutional freedom.
I dont care who you are, what your name is, what you think you are. When you mess with that, you are going to see me retaliate. And I warned the White House. I warned them, quite frankly. Some of the people who are involved because they know me well.
I said if I can help you up there and I helped both Bushes to get elected. Trust me, Im going to help bring you down because you dont play with the American public and their freedom.
And you dont play with lives, American soldiers lives that I value, because not only am I a physician but having been in wars, seeing these boys die for who, for whom, and the answer is no - as long as I live and I have a breath, I will still fight for that constitution.

The constitution was based, created by men who understood what it meant not to centralize power, to make sure that we had the freedom of the individual and that the individual was more important than the State.

[rsnnh12]

I didn't read the whole site because I really don't care to, but you can believe the websites you want and I will do the same. Just type in 9/11 war games into google and you will get a million websites contradicting each other, so why should I believe the link you posted?

Because its straight from the source, and includes the real quotes from the people, not the edited ones that CT websites spew?

Every single war game said to have gone on that day are mentioned and explained... you should want the truth, right?

[rsnnh12]

Mr. Sheep, Pieczenik said that he was perfectly willing to reveal the name of the general who told him 9/11 was an inside job in a federal court, "so that we can unravel this thing legally, not with the stupid 9/11 Commission that was absurd."
During his interview with the Alex Jones Show, Pieczenik also asserted he was directly told by a prominent general that 9/11 was a stand down and a false flag operation, and that he is prepared to go to a grand jury to reveal the general's name.

"They ran the attacks," said Pieczenik, naming Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Stephen Hadley, Elliott Abrams, and Condoleezza Rice among others as having been directly involved.

"It was called a stand down, a false flag operation in order to mobilize the American public under false pretenses….

it was told to me even by the general on the staff of Wolfowitz – I will go in front of a federal committee and swear on perjury who the name was of the individual so that we can break it open," said Pieczenik, adding that he was "furious" and "knew it had happened."

Im an American. The one thing you dont do as an American is you dont play and mess with my constitutional freedom.
I dont care who you are, what your name is, what you think you are. When you mess with that, you are going to see me retaliate. And I warned the White House. I warned them, quite frankly. Some of the people who are involved because they know me well.
I said if I can help you up there and I helped both Bushes to get elected. Trust me, Im going to help bring you down because you dont play with the American public and their freedom.
And you dont play with lives, American soldiers lives that I value, because not only am I a physician but having been in wars, seeing these boys die for who, for whom, and the answer is no - as long as I live and I have a breath, I will still fight for that constitution.

The constitution was based, created by men who understood what it meant not to centralize power, to make sure that we had the freedom of the individual and that the individual was more important than the State.

"I warned the White House. I warned them, quite frankly". Gee, what a hero . Its pretty obvious how full of shit this guy is.

Again, he has ZERO proof. He has NOTHING. I talked to a general who said this Steve guy was a nut who was into beastiality. Why don't you believe me? I'll testify that he told me that... cmon, you have to believe it, cuz I said its true! I don't have a recording of what was said, or any evidence it was planned, but I swear its true!


Yeah, I'm the sheep, and yet you're believing EVERYTHING this guy says, hook line and sinker. Who's the real sheep here?

[pronk]

9-11 truthers are as delusional as the guys who say poker and casinos and games are fixed because they don't win..like they have a god given right to always win...yup bush did it

The only ones who are delusional is you, the stupid and brainless hoards of sheep willing to believe any government bullshit thrown at you.

Pieczenik said:
I'm as human as anybody else. But I've had a lot of experience. And one of the things that I do not believe in, is the notion that policy, that's what is unfortunately true about Washington. Politicians consider most of us, as American citizens, as pretty stupid and not very bright. And they think they can herd us around. And the answer is, they are mistaken. And I've said that repeatedly, that they have underestimated the intelligence of the American public, repeatedly, administration after administration. But this time around we don't have the flexibility, because we are in what we would call a constant struggle or war against the El-Jihad and the Muslims Islamic fundamentalists who are more than happy to destroy much of what we have. And we can't afford, at the same time, to be told all kinds of stories that do not correspond to reality.

[Vaughany]

Bill Clinton: "Just a month before, Apollo 11 astronauts Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong had left their colleague, Michael Collins, aboard spaceship Columbia and walked on the moon, beating by five months President Kennedy's goal of putting a man on the moon before the decade was out. The old carpenter asked me if I really believed it happened. I said sure, I saw it on television. He disagreed; he said that he didn't believe it for a minute, that "them television fellers" could make things look real that weren't. Back then, I thought he was a crank. During my eight years in Washington, I saw some things on TV that made me wonder if he wasn't ahead of his time."

HINT HINT

[Vaughany]

9-11 truthers are as delusional as the guys who say poker and casinos and games are fixed because they don't win..like they have a god given right to always win...yup bush did it

[WileOut]

There can't be any serious conspiracy theorists left. Countless engineers have stepped forward to show that the towers falling is not only possible but probable in the circumstances. Discovery has shown exactly how it happened. It's basic physics. Well not basic but easy enough for engineers to understand how it happened and they put it in a very understandable format for non engineers.

I never had any doubt from the beginning. The conspiracy theorists don't have the understanding of just how hot that much jet fuel exploding forces things to become, and how much energy is unleashed. Yeah humans can create bombs now that would take out the entire city of New York, but we don't have anything going around that would take down a skyscraper.

[pronk]

There can't be any serious conspiracy theorists left. Countless engineers have stepped forward to show that the towers falling is not only possible but probable in the circumstances. Discovery has shown exactly how it happened. It's basic physics. Well not basic but easy enough for engineers to understand how it happened and they put it in a very understandable format for non engineers.

I never had any doubt from the beginning. The conspiracy theorists don't have the understanding of just how hot that much jet fuel exploding forces things to become, and how much energy is unleashed. Yeah humans can create bombs now that would take out the entire city of New York, but we don't have anything going around that would take down a skyscraper.

[MoneyM1ke]

I just want to know why the tapes of the plane that hit the pentagon were scraped and never seen the light of day?? I don't claim to have all the answers but whats to hide if there is nothing to hide

[kiefynugs]

first, it was an inside job

second, the NW US is my home. I've been all over the world and would never wanna move anywhere else.

Similar shit goes down all over the world probably anyway.

[inflames]

Im not on the believer nor the truth side, but this video is very interesting

[losturmarbles]

Do people not realize Prison Planet is not a legitimate news source?

You're right. Because all the "legitimate" news are nothing more than propaganda machines for the mega-corporations that own them.

I judge my news on their journalistic integrity and pursuit of the truth. That puts prison planet and infowars at the top in my book.

[losturmarbles]

A lot has been talked about 9/11 lately with the whole death of Bin Laden, and was he behind 9/11 and all that.

I know there are plenty of people out there who believe 9/11 was an inside job by the government (I am not one of them)

I am not posting this thread to get in a huge debate whether or not it was or was not an inside job.

My question is this though....to the people that really believe 9/11 was an inside job (which is fine, everyone is entitled to their own opinion)...if you firmly believe the government caused this, and is capable of something like this, how can you possibly still live in this country? If you believe the government is capable of such carnage and the killing of innocent people, how can you possibly still be a US citizen and have not moved out of the country yet?

Compartmentalization. Not everyone in the government is evil.

Better question, why do you believe the government is completely innocent?

[losturmarbles]

No proof no care

Where's the government's proof?

[rsnnh12]

Where's the government's proof?

Dude, I agree with you... govt should show proof of Osama's death. But blindly believing this Steve guy with no proof, and criticizing the govt for not providing proof, is a hysterically stupid contradiction.

[antifoil]

that video about the building collapse suffers from a fundamental logical fallacy as most all of this stuff does. the video is drawing a conclusion from evidence that does not necessary lead to that conclusion. just because a building falls the same way as building that have been demolished does not mean that the building has also been demolished.

i could do the same thing by showing a bunch of videos of manny's home run swing where he hits a homerun then show you one where he makes the same home run swing so you have to conclude the ball also went for a home run but that is illogical. it was caught at the warning track.

more logical fallacies would be say well the government withheld the audio from the new tapes so the tapes must show "insert conspiracy here", when in reality they could have done so for any number of reason.

[losturmarbles]

Dude, I agree with you... govt should show proof of Osama's death. But blindly believing this Steve guy with no proof, and criticizing the govt for not providing proof, is a hysterically stupid contradiction.

No actually the government should've indicted him years ago, provided evidence to Afganistan and extradited him to the US for a public trial. That's what the rule of law says anyway.

As far as the other stuff goes, Grand Jury testimony is evidence. The government saying Al Qaeda did it is not.

[pronk]

Dude, I agree with you... govt should show proof of Osama's death. But blindly believing this Steve guy with no proof, and criticizing the govt for not providing proof, is a hysterically stupid contradiction.

I know more than any of you here about how the "cookie crumbles" in our Nations Capital but unfortunately I must keep my mouth shut but one day I tell you all hell will break loose, from north to south and from sea to shining sea

[drfunkmaster]

No large building has ever stayed standing after being hit by a commercial plane going 500+ mph either...

You must work for the CIA, you looking for non-patriotic responses it seems... Maybe you work for FBI... everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you keep coming around and trying to debunk them... You honestly think what the government says is actually the truth... as for your building 7 theory, there was a building in front of it which took most of the debris damage... BUILDING 7 collapsed 6 hours later, why did it not collapse much earlier. LIKE TO HEAR YOUR RESPONSE..

[bradnowell]

No longer the land of the free

[inflames]

that video about the building collapse suffers from a fundamental logical fallacy as most all of this stuff does. the video is drawing a conclusion from evidence that does not necessary lead to that conclusion. just because a building falls the same way as building that have been demolished does not mean that the building has also been demolished.

i could do the same thing by showing a bunch of videos of manny's home run swing where he hits a homerun then show you one where he makes the same home run swing so you have to conclude the ball also went for a home run but that is illogical. it was caught at the warning track.

more logical fallacies would be say well the government withheld the audio from the new tapes so the tapes must show "insert conspiracy here", when in reality they could have done so for any number of reason.

Yeah and the twin towers and WTC 7 all fall the same way as in a controlled demolision, so is this just a coincidence that they all fall the same way?
It took around 10 sec for it to fall which is like 1 second away from free fall speed.

[darrell74]

Packing up and moving to another country is not like moving into a different apartment on the other side of town

That's reality, you just don't move to another country.
Its not as simple as you state it.

[darrell74]

Now I started reading this thread's posts

[darrell74]

This thread has become a debate over the conspiracy theory

I thought we were gonna talk about the practicality of moving to another country based on personal disappointment in your own government

[darrell74]

Their are like tons of things to consider when moving to another country:

Citizenship
speaking the language
getting a job
getting the cash-ola just to make the journey

I'd love to move
give me the money and an English speaking country with a job and I'm there

[darrell74]

Some of us are stuck here
I know I am
I don't have the cash to move

[darrell74]

We also just don't let people move into our country and start working
Over 20 of my co-workers just got deported from my work, last month

[darrell74]

So, I'm gonna continue to bitch about this country
hell, its in our 1st amendment

So you're gonna be stuck with me until you fly me out and get me a job else where

[darrell74]

Well its been a couple of days and none of you bleeding hearts have offered to give me a job in another country

Well, I guess it is probably not gonna happen that I'm not gonna move out of this country because SBR posters won't pony up the scratch to get me exiled

Oh well bitches, I'm gonna bitch about the democracy that you continue to screw up and defend

And as an Army veteran, that gambles helluva sports, I'm gonna continue to bitch and bitch and bitch

Freedom of speech bitches
I did my time
I have the right to say what I want as long as I'm not sceAMING BOMB ON A PLANE OR FIRE IN A MOVIE

[mrpooh]

nothing wrong with saying your views, it is part of this country

[darrell74]

nothing wrong with saying your views, it is part of this country

well said
good job



problem is its like these sissies behind a flatscreen get offended by words on a forum

weirdos I tell you

[pronk]

well said
good job



problem is its like these sissies behind a flatscreen get offended by words on a forum

weirdos I tell you

Democracy by Leonard Cohen

[darrell74]

Come on Pronk

What are you trying to say?
You're you tube got disabled

[pronk]

It was working fine few minutes ago. This is "Democracy" by Leonard Cohen, one of my favorites