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    Ballerholic
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    The 20NL Professional Poker Player

    The day has finally come! I am going to be playing poker full time!

    Background

    I’ve only been playing poker serious for 1 year. I started at 4NL last May and today I have made 25NL my main game. At the moment I am a 24 year old student and I’ve got the summer for full-time poker. I’ve done a lot over the past year with many coaching sessions from top players with only decent results. Nothing to brag about at all. I also have a part time job that takes up 12 hours a week. This is obviously a safety net, but this job is not enough to pay the bills.


    Poker Goal
    Ideally I’ll need to make around $1,000 a month playing. Anything else will go to my BR to move up stakes. My bankroll is around $500 at the moment. I've basically got all of May left to contribute to my bankroll from playing poker, then from June onwards I'll need to hit the $1,000 mark to cover expenses.

    • $1,000 Monthly Profit
    • Play 40 hours a week
    • Study 10 hours a week

    Summer Goals

    • Workout(Lift 3x, Run 5x a week)
    • Read one book a month (Rich dad, Poor dad. The Intelligent Investor. Think and Grow Rich.)
    • Meditate 1x a day
    • Study Chinese
    • Start Online Business

    So far...


    Monthly Profit: $9.12


    Any tips, help, advice from any of you guys would be greatly appreciated!
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    Good luck, Baller!


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    Ballerholic
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    haha thanks donk, great song!
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    blankoblanco
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    Good luck man, make it happen
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    Good luck, sir.
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    BigOrange
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    $1,000/Month divided by 176 hours/Month is $5.68/hr. That's about half of McMinimum wage in most states.

    GL though and I hope you do well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigOrange View Post
    $1,000/Month divided by 176 hours/Month is $5.68/hr. That's about half of McMinimum wage in most states.

    GL though and I hope you do well.

    BigO
    At the risk of shitting on your parade bholic, that $5.68 is also 14.2 BB/hr...you need to take a look at your current hourly hand rate and BB/100 earnings to see how far off this assumption is. If it's close, it's a realistic goal. But for example, if you're only seeing like 350 hands an hour (~5-6 tabling?) that's a hefty winrate to expect even at NL20.

    Sounds like you're in about as good a position to take a shot as you can ask for with low expenses, just make sure your assumptions and goals are realistic...otherwise you risk doing OK but feeling disappointed from not reaching unrealistic goals. Good luck!
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    Yeah I would't recommend relying on poker as your sole source of income unless you can eat least be bankrolled to play .50/1 stakes and up. Anything lower is going to be so difficult to generate any decent hourly to live off of. Best of luck to you though
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    2/5 the lowest you can realistically make a modest living doing

    dude is just trying to pay some bills over the summer, it's good to have hope at a young age

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    Good luck Baller.

    Make sure to have some fun for balance, friends and family mean everything!

    Also if you are serious about all of those goals/tasks, i suggest make a big chart posted in an active area in your house/appt. where you can check off your tasks for good visual affirmation and self pressure to complete.
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    blanko- thanks man! I haven't seen you on the poker forums before!

    Slanina- Thanks, it's going to be tough!

    Orange- Thanks man! Yea I could easily make way more money working a minimum wage job. But at what cost? Last summer when I was playing 4NL, I worked my part time job I currently have and then worked at a bar at night. I was tired throughout the entire day and always dreaded going into work. It also limited me from socializing with people because of the hours of two part time jobs.

    Triple- No appreciate it! List everything that I might be overlooking, I don't want to be naive going into this. But yea I have considered that.
    Unfortunately, I could easily have a losing month and be busto. According to the variance calculator there definitely is a chance I have a losing month. But I will probably write out my plan on here and see what you guys think, and we can see which sites/options might be better for this.

    steve- I agree I really should be playing higher stakes to do this, but I know a few 25NL grinders who make 1-2k a month playing. The goal is to do what I love, try to get better at poker and just maintain living standards, while also giving me time to do other stuff.

    reigle- hey man you ever watch Trooper97? He makes a living playing 1/2. I agree though, for live 2/5 is probably minimum for a very good life.

    beerdog- Thanks man. Yea that's a very good idea. I think I will do that!
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    Your goal sounds like an achievable number and you sound like you have the discipline. I predict success
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    Well depends where you are living and how many tables are you playing but you guys are forgetting rake is 10bb+/100 NL25 and 40%+ rakeback is kinda everywhere(or you should move unless really nice site and you making sick profit). So that makes 1$/100 hands rake back so if you make 500hands hourly thats already 5$ per hour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ballerholic View Post
    steve- I agree I really should be playing higher stakes to do this, but I know a few 25NL grinders who make 1-2k a month playing. The goal is to do what I love, try to get better at poker and just maintain living standards, while also giving me time to do other stuff.
    my two cents worth on typical casino play is I'd always rather play their 1-3/1-2 games over their 2-5 games, for two simple reasons:

    first, I can buy in for $2-300 and not the $5-600 a 2-5 game generally requires to not get blown off the table by bigger stacks, and

    second, the 1-3 games typically have shittier players than the 2-5 games, which increases my prospects of walking out of that game with a $750-$1,000 profit for 3-4 hours work..... perhaps less reward, but a helluva lot less risk at the 1-3 tables
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    "reigle- hey man you ever watch Trooper97? He makes a living playing 1/2. I agree though, for live 2/5 is probably minimum for a very good life."

    1/2 was probably the most profitable game 15 years ago

    i remember some jagoff from another country telling me i couldnt do it

    i made 40 bucks an hour then in ac, but that was just for visits

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    You're 24 years old. Time to grow up and make something of yourself. If you're not playing at the very least 200NL(1/2) what's the point. You probably won't play all that much more than if you were working and also playing poker. You have a goal of making $1,000 a month. How are you going to build your bankroll and live on almost nothing. I'm guessing mom/dad pay all your bills?

    Focus on school and get a job. Play poker for fun. You've been stuck at 25NL for what seems like forever. Doing what you love sounds great but your barely even a winning poker player and you are constantly jumping from site to site for promotions just to squeak out 1bb/100.

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    optional- thanks man, let's hope so!

    slik- yea rake is insane at the micros. As for the 40% RB plus, I'm working on a few deals to try and get that. But if it goes well then yea rakeback will be a huge factor in profit.

    auto- yea that's a pretty good strategy. A 400NL online pro I spoke with told me sometimes he'll just play 200NL because the games are that much softer. I even jump into some 10NL games myself if they are that good.

    reigl- it still is insanely profitable from what I hear. Apparently $40 an hour is still definitely achievable.

    crush- as far as moving up I'll cover that in my next update, but I've spoken with a backer in which I'll be able to play some higher stakes at a good split. Yea I have been stuck at 25NL for a while now, but I've never really put that much effort into my game which is what it takes to move to 50nl and what I'll be doing this summer. The goal is to obviously hit higher stakes, no way would I want to be a 25NL grinder for life.
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    Second hand I would have definitely put in a 3b preflop. As played I would have just flatted his flop cbet. I think your hand which is highly underepped plays better as a call on a monotone flop such as that one. I might be more willing to reraise small if it was more like Q73hhh. When it comes Q109hhh, most hands that call you are going to have decent equity (AhAx, KhKx, AK AJ with a heart, we block AQ so id remove that from his range, and he could potentially have flopped a straight or flush easily as we have no blockers to those hands combos. Even though its more likely you have the best hand on the flop, there are too many bad turns for you which is why I wouldn't inflate the pot. Also with the big blind involved, if you just flat you may get him to make a mistake such as overcalling incorrectly.
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    Some plays for the night...

    Spurs +4 1H
    Most assists Simmons -130 vs Gasol
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    Most points Simmons -160 vs Mills
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    I think you should just play 50NL, you will most likely beat it
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    Enkhbat- yea I agree I think I could beat it as well. However, I don't have the bankroll for it and I could easily go on a downswing that would ruin me.
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    Update


    Monthly Profit: $-91.62


    Monthly Hours: 18.50


    Not off to a great start, but itís only 5 buyins. Iím due to receive some bonuses/rakeback which will actually cover this amount bring me back to breakeven, but I wonít add that amount until I receive it. Anyway, things could obviously be better, but I have been running pretty bad. As far as hours played, Iíve done alright. I would like to hit 50 a week once I am fully in the swing of things.


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