[DwightShrute]

Not making any conclusions but here are the numbers I'm looking at:

55,415 totals deaths in the US.
22,275 in NY
5,938 in NJ

Yup and like teh Doc said, initially it was a great idea to close it down. He explains it perfectly here at the 7:43 mark ...

[RudyRuetigger]

Ya, only problem with these two doctors is they make too much sense for the simpletons and people who are scouring the internet for charts to justify them continuing the stupidity.

bingo

that one fukkin cukk reporter needs to be flipping burgers

hes trying to make the story instead of reporting the story

[DwightShrute]

bingo

that one fukkin cukk reporter needs to be flipping burgers

hes trying to make the story instead of reporting the story

that seems to be the new type of journalism now. Forget reporting the news and letting the viewers decide. Nah.

[blackbart]

https://youtu.be/qQTrdxONG70

[Rain Chains]

that seems to be the new type of journalism now. Forget reporting the news and letting the viewers decide. Nah.

If better news comes out, media likes to try and shoot it down immediately. The lack of integrity is astounding, people are wising up.

[blackbart]

Bakersfield doctors push to lift shelter-in-place order, Bay Area health experts disagree

SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- Tonight sparks are flying between those who believe that Governor Newsom should lift the stay-at-home order and others who believe it would be catastrophic to do so. Two doctors in the Bakersfield area are pushing for the California shelter-in-place order to be lifted and doctors we talked within the Bay Area are strongly opposed to the idea.
Dr. Dan Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi own and run an urgent care facility in Kern County.
"Do we need to still shelter in place? Our answer is no. Do we need businesses to be shut down? No. Do we need to test them and get them back to work? Yes we do," says Dr. Dan Erickson.


The two say they have their own statistics that show COVID-19 is similar to the flu.

Dr. George Rutherford of UCSF disagrees with that saying that the mortality rate of COVID-19 could end up being 30 times worse than the flu.

"What we're trying to do is prevent people from dying that's what we're trying to do in the Bay Area," Rutherford says. "The early projections were that there would be 44,000 deaths in the Bay Area. There have been 210 so far so I think we're doing pretty damn good and I've certainly don't want to mess with that kind of success."

The latest data from the local health officials shows the Bay Area currently has over 250 deaths.
ABC7 special correspondent Dr. Alok Patel echos those thoughts and cautions using data from one location.


"It's not scientifically sound to take one population from one county, extract the data and try to make a claim about the national picture or even the rest of the states very different populations," Dr. Patel says.

Erickson and Massihi gave their thoughts on reopening last week. Since that time, their message has been viewed millions of times online.
Dr. Rutherford says we need to learn from history. In 1918 San Francisco reopened early after the Spanish Flu and an additional 3,000 people died.
Dr. Rutherford believes that some things could st

[blackbart]

two urgent care drs. with "their own data" from a county with no covid outbreak

dont matter what the real data collected by statisticians from around the world says

[gauchojake]

Haven't watched the whole thing but a few thoughts to consider...

That doctor has a vested monetary interest in opening back up. He's Co owner in an urgent care practice.

He stated that County public health officials agreed with him that they should reopen and lift the shelter in place order. They promptly said no we don't agree.

Kern county is also heavily rural with a lot of farm land and not a ton of urban areas. JJ knows this as he often visits daggles in Bakersfield.

[blackbart]

Regarding Dr. Erickson’s claim that this virus so far has proven “similar in nature to the seasonal flu,” Dr. Hemmal Kothary Thursday morning shared otherwise during an interview on 17 News at Sunrise.
When asked if it is fair to make such a comparison at this point, Kothary, the chief medical officer with Dignity Health’s Central California division, answered, “Right now, I would say absolutely not. The flu acts a lot different. This virus is a lot more virulent. It passes from people to people a lot more aggressively. The symptoms are a lot more aggressive. It seems to affect a lot of age groups the flu typically won’t affect.”

[blackbart]

Haven't watched the whole thing but a few thoughts to consider...

That doctor has a vested monetary interest in opening back up. He's Co owner in an urgent care practice.

He stated that County public health officials agreed with him that they should reopen and lift the shelter in place order. They promptly said no we don't agree.

Kern county is also heavily rural with a lot of farm land and not a ton of urban areas. JJ knows this as he often visits daggles in Bakersfield.

of course, they are probably going bankrupt cause there business is empty. now they are being roasted by real experts in the press.

[DwightShrute]

Bakersfield doctors push to lift shelter-in-place order, Bay Area health experts disagree


SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- Tonight sparks are flying between those who believe that Governor Newsom should lift the stay-at-home order and others who believe it would be catastrophic to do so. Two doctors in the Bakersfield area are pushing for the California shelter-in-place order to be lifted and doctors we talked within the Bay Area are strongly opposed to the idea.
Dr. Dan Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi own and run an urgent care facility in Kern County.
"Do we need to still shelter in place? Our answer is no. Do we need businesses to be shut down? No. Do we need to test them and get them back to work? Yes we do," says Dr. Dan Erickson.


The two say they have their own statistics that show COVID-19 is similar to the flu.

Dr. George Rutherford of UCSF disagrees with that saying that the mortality rate of COVID-19 could end up being 30 times worse than the flu.

"What we're trying to do is prevent people from dying that's what we're trying to do in the Bay Area," Rutherford says. "The early projections were that there would be 44,000 deaths in the Bay Area. There have been 210 so far so I think we're doing pretty damn good and I've certainly don't want to mess with that kind of success."

The latest data from the local health officials shows the Bay Area currently has over 250 deaths.
ABC7 special correspondent Dr. Alok Patel echos those thoughts and cautions using data from one location.


"It's not scientifically sound to take one population from one county, extract the data and try to make a claim about the national picture or even the rest of the states very different populations," Dr. Patel says.

Erickson and Massihi gave their thoughts on reopening last week. Since that time, their message has been viewed millions of times online.
Dr. Rutherford says we need to learn from history. In 1918 San Francisco reopened early after the Spanish Flu and an additional 3,000 people died.
Dr. Rutherford believes that some things could st

First off. They don't have their own statistics. This is data that everyone has access to.

I am sure you have heard when people go to the doctor and are diagnosed and then say they will get a second opinion?

Watching those 2 videos, they make total sense. Using scientific data and first hand knowledge. Remember the 30K ventilators NY said they must have or else? They needed 5K. The rest are being sent elsewhere. Car factories shut down to make these things. If you have to go on a ventilator, you are almost as good as dead anyway. 80-90% who need to go on one, they die. You are in really bad shape if you need to go on one.

This weekend, people were being in California beaches. A father and 2 sons were fined for riding their bikes in a park where no one was around. A man fined for fishing on a lake with no one around. But go to Costco or Walmart full of people with no masks touching everything is perfectly fine. Its that fukking nuts?

[mezmurized2]

That doctor has a vested monetary interest in opening back up.
He's Co owner in an urgent care practice.

He stated that County public health officials agreed with him that they should
reopen and lift the shelter in place order.
They promptly said "NO, we don't agree."

Kern county is also heavily rural with a lot of farm land and not a ton
of urban areas. JJ knows this as he often visits daggles in Bakersfield.

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[DwightShrute]

[mezmurized2]

Haven't watched the whole thing but a few thoughts to consider...

That doctor has a vested monetary interest in opening back up. He's Co owner in an urgent care practice.

He stated that County public health officials agreed with him that they should reopen and lift the shelter in place order. They promptly said no we don't agree.

Kern county is also heavily rural with a lot of farm land and not a ton of urban areas. JJ knows this as he often visits daggles in Bakersfield.

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Other side of the story...important

[jjgold]

The only thing is they really didn’t talk about we’re under a strict quarantine that’s why numbers are low



The flu had
No quarantine

[DwightShrute]

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Breaking News....This just in...

from FUX News

A US led scientific work-camp in Antarctica of 22 people, all of whom
are under age 39, have staunchly REFUSED to lockdown their polar facility
during the worldwide coronavirus pandemic.
The doctor on site says they are following the "Swedish model," so staff have
been free to go for hikes, jogging, swimming, dining, fornicate with penguins,
play poker - all the usual activities - and their internal data reveals
not one single case of COVID-19 has been reported, with 0 deaths!!
(otherthan one pregnant penguin)
The doctor and lead scientist, both from Buttphuck, Kentucky, have
declared that this PROVES CONCLUSIVELY that COVID-19 is a hoax
likely created by Hunter Biden in collusion with the communist Chinese
and therefore should be investigated immediately. And Joe Biden too.

[jjgold]

We just got a roll the dice and get everything open

[mezmurized2]

We just got a roll the dice and get everything open

Agreed
.
.
.

[RudyRuetigger]

weve learned blackbart is a democrat and hates working

ok great

merge the thread with "the facts"

from another democrat

[mezmurized2]

The only thing is they really didn’t talk about
we’re under a strict quarantine
that’s why numbers are low
The flu had No quarantine

---------

Breaking News....This just in...


from FUX News

A US led scientific work-camp in Antarctica of 22 people, all of whom
are under age 39, have staunchly REFUSED to lockdown their polar facility
during the worldwide coronavirus pandemic.

The doctor on site says they are following the "Swedish model," so staff have
been free to go for hikes, jogging, swimming, dining, fornicate with penguins,
play poker - all the usual activities - and their internal data reveals
not one single case of COVID-19 has been reported, with 0 deaths!!
(otherthan one pregnant penguin)

The doctor and lead scientist, both from Buttphuck, Kentucky,
have declared that their data PROVES CONCLUSIVELY
that COVID-19 is a total HOAX

likely created by Hunter Biden in collusion with the communist Chinese
and therefore should be investigated immediately.

... And Joe Biden too.
.
.
. .
.
.
.

[KVB]

Not making any conclusions but here are the numbers I'm looking at:

55,415 total deaths in the US.
22,275 in NY
5,938 in NJ

I think the highest estimates for yearly deaths of the seasonal flu in the US over the last many years has been about 60,000.

And in few months, with citizens for the most part abiding by stay at home recommendations in place, we have seen 55k deaths.

Unreal. We might get lucky here after all as we aren't seeing major outbreaks in new places.

[fried cheese]

you cant possibly read these numbers and graphs and come to this conclusion

you are right you cant read the numbers and come to that conclusion because they dont add in january and february in the numbers. but if you look at the graphs there is a light grey line in many of them that is significantly higher than the red line in those months. look at austria and portugal, they have much lower deaths for the whole of 2020. when you compare the area of the shaded red to the area between the red and the light grey line, most countries look similar in deaths to me. italy and spain are much higher though.

[KVB]

I realize deaths have been exaggerated, and also suppressed in some parts of the world, but even if 15,000 US death attributed to COVID-19 were fake, it's still a lot of deaths for a few months.

Here are flu death estimates according to the CDC...

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

	Deaths
Season	Estimate
2010-2011	37,000
2011-2012	12,000
2012-2013	43,000
2013-2014	38,000
2014-2015	51,000
2015-2016	23,000
2016-2017	38,000
Preliminary estimates*	Estimate
2017-2018*	61,000
2018-2019*	34,157

[KVB]

...italy and spain are much higher though.

There was a soccer game in Milan known as "game zero" where they think a large proliferation resulted in both countries due to that game.

[vitterd]

Trumpvirus at 54k and counting. I’m gonna miss his bleach drinking press conferences. Watching him on twitter tilt is fun but not the same. I hear he is addressing the nation tonight!! Lmao. Better make sure to close off to media!!

[DwightShrute]

Trumpvirus at 54k and counting. I’m gonna miss his bleach drinking press conferences. Watching him on twitter tilt is fun but not the same. I hear he is addressing the nation tonight!! Lmao. Better make sure to close off to media!!

you should try drinking bleach.

[vitterd]

you should try drinking bleach.

Trump says to inject it or drink it. He’s on a roll. First it was a hoax, then it was gonna be at 0 quickly, now it’s time to inject bleach. Lookin good Donnie!!!

[Rain Chains]

Trump says to inject it or drink it. He’s on a roll. First it was a hoax, then it was gonna be at 0 quickly, now it’s time to inject bleach. Lookin good Donnie!!!

Dude says stupid ish way too often, but has surrounded himself by a good team and put good policies in place.

[mezmurized2]

I realize deaths have been exaggerated, and also suppressed in some parts of the world, but even if 15,000 US death attributed to COVID-19 were fake, it's still a lot of deaths for a few months.

Here are flu death estimates according to the CDC...

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

	Deaths
Season	Estimate
2010-2011	37,000
2011-2012	12,000
2012-2013	43,000
2013-2014	38,000
2014-2015	51,000
2015-2016	23,000
2016-2017	38,000
Preliminary estimates*	Estimate
2017-2018*	61,000
2018-2019*	34,157

EXACTLY!
Those figures add up to an annual mean avg of 38,000 deaths
per 12 month periods from the common seasonal influenza.
(which btw, is still ongoing now, in addition to COVID-19)
Also, there are no mitigation measures put in place to stem the
annual spread of the seasonal flu. It spreads freely.

Meanwhile, COVID-19 has
thus far killed over 51,000 just in the month of April alone!
...and that is despite the lockdowns which surely reduced the spread!

...10 more months of counting to go....

.

.

[Kermit]

Trump says to inject it or drink it. He’s on a roll. First it was a hoax, then it was gonna be at 0 quickly, now it’s time to inject bleach. Lookin good Donnie!!!

Where is this video of Trump telling people to drink bleach?

[DwightShrute]

Where is this video of Trump telling people to drink bleach?

Same place as the pee tape and the video where he calls the virus a hoax.

All 3 were once in Putin's office but were stolen by Gulianni, given to Kim Jong Un and given to the PM of Japan who had them shredded and were cleverly used as Koi Food in plain sight.

[RudyRuetigger]

I realize deaths have been exaggerated, and also suppressed in some parts of the world, but even if 15,000 US death attributed to COVID-19 were fake, it's still a lot of deaths for a few months.

Here are flu death estimates according to the CDC...

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

	Deaths
Season	Estimate
2010-2011	37,000
2011-2012	12,000
2012-2013	43,000
2013-2014	38,000
2014-2015	51,000
2015-2016	23,000
2016-2017	38,000
Preliminary estimates*	Estimate
2017-2018*	61,000
2018-2019*	34,157

dumb post

i expect nothing less from kvb though

[d2bets]

Where is this video of Trump telling people to drink bleach?

He didn't. He suggested "injection inside" of disinfectants (bleach and/or isoporopyl alcohol).

[DwightShrute]

He didn't. He suggested "injection inside" of disinfectants (bleach and/or isoporopyl alcohol).

[Emily_Haines]

For a guy that loves to talk and to talk about himself going three consecutive days without a briefing says a lot about what he said and has no way out of the hole.