[2daBank]

Exactly

Schmidt hit a bunch of HRs and then struck out a ton.

Never hit 40 doubles, that career BA skews a bit because he had 1 year over .300 (.316). If you plug in. 267 that year he drops to .258 BA.

These guys that argue MVPs mean anything dont know baseball. Like saying Dale Murphy and his 2 MVPs make him a better outfielder than Kirby Puckett (0 MVP).

So now you discounting years as you see fit? Speaking of not knowing shit.

[2daBank]

If you take away that 10 year stretch Albert pujols was just average. Lmfao

[chico2663]

buddy i was born in killeen,texas. Rangers and reds were always my favorite team. No way beltre here are hi

1998	19	Dodgers	77	195	18	42	9	0	7	0	22	14	0	37	2	0	3	4	.215	.278	.369
1999	20	Dodgers	152	538	84	148	27	5	15	0	67	61	12	105	4	5	6	4	.275	.352	.428
2000	21	Dodgers	138	510	71	148	30	2	20	2	85	56	2	80	3	4	2	13	.290	.360	.475
2001	22	Dodgers	126	475	59	126	22	4	13	0	60	28	1	82	2	5	5	9	.265	.310	.411
2002	23	Dodgers	159	587	70	151	26	5	21	0	75	37	4	96	1	6	4	17	.257	.303	.426
2003	24	Dodgers	158	559	50	134	30	2	23	0	80	37	4	103	1	6	5	13	.240	.290	.424
2004	25	Dodgers	156	598	104	200	32	0	48	3	121	53	9	87	0	4	2	15	.334	.388	.629
2005	26	Mariners	156	603	69	154	36	1	19	1	87	38	6	108	0	4	5	15	.255	.303	.413
2006	27	Mariners	156	620	88	166	39	4	25	1	89	47	4	118	1	3	10	15	.268	.328	.465
2007	28	Mariners	149	595	87	164	41	2	26	0	99	38	2	104	0	4	2	18	.276	.319	.482
2008	29	Mariners	143	556	74	148	29	1	25	0	77	50	10	90	0	4	2	11	.266	.327	.457
2009	30	Mariners	111	449	54	119	27	0	8	0	44	19	1	74	0	2	7	19	.265	.304	.379
2010	31	Red Sox	154	589	84	189	49	2	28	1	102	40	10	82	0	7	5	25	.321	.365	.553
2011	32	Rangers	124	487	82	144	33	0	32	1	105	25	0	53	0	8	5	13	.296	.331	.561
2012	33	Rangers	156	604	95	194	33	2	36	0	102	36	8	82	0	9	5	8	.321	.359	.561
2013	34	Rangers	161	631	88	199	32	0	30	0	92	50	12	78	0	2	7	17	.315	.371	.509
2014	35	Rangers	148	549	79	178	33	1	19	0	77	57	13	74	0	5	3	15	.324	.388	.492
2015	36	Rangers	143	567	83	163	32	4	18	0	83	41	4	65	0	8	3	18	.287	.334	.453
2016	37	Rangers	153	583	89	175	31	1	32	1	104	48	6	66	0	3	6	10	.300	.358	.521
2017	38	Rangers	94	340	47	106	22	1	17	0	71	39	2	52	0	6	4	7	.312	.383	.532
2018	39	Rangers	119	433	49	118	23	1	15	0	65	34	2	96	0	8	6	13	.273	.328	.434
Career			G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	GRSL	RBI	BB	IBB	SO	SH	SF	HBP	GIDP	AVG	OBP	SLG
21 Years			2,933	11,068	1,524	3,166	636	38	477	10	1,707	848	112

s career stats. god you are stupid. He didn't do shit til he went to texas and anyone that knows baseball realizes that.

[DOM-Ganador]

Mike Schmidt

I concur.

[chico2663]

5 years in 21 he had 100 or more rbi's. when he was in la he was a dog. He had 70 hr less than schmidt in 3 more years. He played in a hitters bp in texas

[chico2663]

my bad he had 1 good yr in sea,1 good year in bsn and 1 good year li la.

[MinnesotaFats]

Chico, he had 300 HRs and 1000 rbis before Texas.

That's "nothing"?

What aspect of baseball does Schmidt do better than Beltre?

[2daBank]

buddy i was born in killeen,texas. Rangers and reds were always my favorite team. No way beltre here are hi

1998	19	Dodgers	77	195	18	42	9	0	7	0	22	14	0	37	2	0	3	4	.215	.278	.369
1999	20	Dodgers	152	538	84	148	27	5	15	0	67	61	12	105	4	5	6	4	.275	.352	.428
2000	21	Dodgers	138	510	71	148	30	2	20	2	85	56	2	80	3	4	2	13	.290	.360	.475
2001	22	Dodgers	126	475	59	126	22	4	13	0	60	28	1	82	2	5	5	9	.265	.310	.411
2002	23	Dodgers	159	587	70	151	26	5	21	0	75	37	4	96	1	6	4	17	.257	.303	.426
2003	24	Dodgers	158	559	50	134	30	2	23	0	80	37	4	103	1	6	5	13	.240	.290	.424
2004	25	Dodgers	156	598	104	200	32	0	48	3	121	53	9	87	0	4	2	15	.334	.388	.629
2005	26	Mariners	156	603	69	154	36	1	19	1	87	38	6	108	0	4	5	15	.255	.303	.413
2006	27	Mariners	156	620	88	166	39	4	25	1	89	47	4	118	1	3	10	15	.268	.328	.465
2007	28	Mariners	149	595	87	164	41	2	26	0	99	38	2	104	0	4	2	18	.276	.319	.482
2008	29	Mariners	143	556	74	148	29	1	25	0	77	50	10	90	0	4	2	11	.266	.327	.457
2009	30	Mariners	111	449	54	119	27	0	8	0	44	19	1	74	0	2	7	19	.265	.304	.379
2010	31	Red Sox	154	589	84	189	49	2	28	1	102	40	10	82	0	7	5	25	.321	.365	.553
2011	32	Rangers	124	487	82	144	33	0	32	1	105	25	0	53	0	8	5	13	.296	.331	.561
2012	33	Rangers	156	604	95	194	33	2	36	0	102	36	8	82	0	9	5	8	.321	.359	.561
2013	34	Rangers	161	631	88	199	32	0	30	0	92	50	12	78	0	2	7	17	.315	.371	.509
2014	35	Rangers	148	549	79	178	33	1	19	0	77	57	13	74	0	5	3	15	.324	.388	.492
2015	36	Rangers	143	567	83	163	32	4	18	0	83	41	4	65	0	8	3	18	.287	.334	.453
2016	37	Rangers	153	583	89	175	31	1	32	1	104	48	6	66	0	3	6	10	.300	.358	.521
2017	38	Rangers	94	340	47	106	22	1	17	0	71	39	2	52	0	6	4	7	.312	.383	.532
2018	39	Rangers	119	433	49	118	23	1	15	0	65	34	2	96	0	8	6	13	.273	.328	.434
Career			G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	GRSL	RBI	BB	IBB	SO	SH	SF	HBP	GIDP	AVG	OBP	SLG
21 Years			2,933	11,068	1,524	3,166	636	38	477	10	1,707	848	112

s career stats. god you are stupid. He didn't do shit til he went to texas and anyone that knows baseball realizes that.

That also back when there was that huge jet stream effect in ranger park before they blocked the wind too, days wind blew in hard from right a pop up flew out of the park. Anyone could hit there!!!

[chico2663]

That also back when there was that huge jet stream effect in ranger park before they blocked the wind too, days wind blew in hard from right a pop up flew out of the park. Anyone could hit there!!!

amen... like i said. i was big ranger fan and would never consider him a top. ave less than 80 rbi's a year and he was on some good offensive teams. hell i had season tixs to reds when he was with dodgers. They were in the west with the reds so i seen lot's of his games. He was a good players but not the best i seen. Hell if rolen could of stayed healthy his numbers were a lot better. Problem with rolen is he tried to get balls that beltre would watch go by him. Definitely not a rolen fan even though he played for the reds.

[TommieGunshot]

Not at Schmidts black ink power numbers are inflated because of the era he played in.

Winning HR titles by hitting 38 hrs lol

He was tremendous player, but Beltre was better all around. Beltre more balls in play, more xbh's, way less strikeouts, just as good of fielder.

Having been lucky enough to see both play Beltre is the better all around player, Schmidt has more raw power but his KOs were off the chart whereas Beltre is 30 points higher in career BA.

When scoring is so low that only three players in the entire league hit 30 homeruns, that means every run is worth a lot more. It's why a 2.5 point favorites in the NBA lose all the time, but when a baseball team is -2.5 -110, they are a heavy favorite. It's like you're trying to argue Eli Manning as a better QB than Joe Montana for having better stats

The 138 more extra base hits is simply because Beltre played in an extra 500 games. Schmidt's ratio of extra base hits to outs was far better -- and his extra base hits (more homeruns and triples) helped his team more than Beltre's doubles. The balls in play is ridiculous. That's just because Schmidt was so good at getting on base by walks. Schmidt was better at getting on base (40-point edge in obp) and at hitting for power (50-point edge in slugging) in an era when it was harder to do so. I'm sure you would also argue Carmelo Anthony was better than Larry Bird for having more points and making twice as many three-pointers

[Snowball]

Graig Nettles is up there among them

[packerd_00]

George Brett

[chico2663]

Chico, he had 300 HRs and 1000 rbis before Texas.

That's "nothing"?

What aspect of baseball does Schmidt do better than Beltre?

he had 13 years before he went to texas.
so am i impress with 23 hrs and 70 rbi's a year?
1000 rbi 300 hr in 1835 games
Sorry for being a dickhead. But although he was very durable and he could definitely play for my team. Mike schmidt is just better in my mind. I grew up hating the phillies. But he was the man.

[TommieGunshot]

Chico, he had 300 HRs and 1000 rbis before Texas.

That's "nothing"?

What aspect of baseball does Schmidt do better than Beltre?

Beltre had 278. not 300. Over 1835 games. During years when other guys were routinely hitting 50, 60, or 70. That took him through age 31. By the same age Schmidt had 321 homeruns in only 1336 games. That was the highest total in all of baseball those years. So hitting home runs is one thing Schmidt did a lot better than Beltre. Getting on base and not making outs is another thing (.380 obp compared to .339). Hitting for power and getting on base are like the only two things a team wants their hitters to do. And Schmidt did both of those things better. During years when everyone else was worse at it.

Defense is much harder to measure. I think most agrees they were both the best defensive third basemen of their generations (only argument might be Rolen above Beltre; Brooks was 36 by the time Schmidt was a rookie)

[pavyracer]

Chipper Jones

[Altuve Cedeno]

Do you really think any of those guys was better than George Brett ? Best name for a third baseman was former Red Sox Clell Laverne Hobson, who some people actually called Butch.

[Bcatswin]

Charlie Hustle, Chipper, Rolen

[Bcatswin]

Don't get me wrong like Schmidt, but Beltre is hard to deny.

[mdunlap3]

A rod

[daneblazer]

Chipper

[Samfourteen]

Arenado

[Chi_archie]

that career BA skews a bit because he had 1 year over .300 (.316). If you plug in. 267 that year he drops to .258 BA.

A) weird premise to just arbitrarily take a year, and give a worse set of stats and adjust down the career numbers

B) you aren't too bright with Math, because those numbers are wrong anyways.

His career avg might drop a point or two to .265ish.

C) who the fuk cares about Batting Avg, when OBA is much better assessment of NOT making outs.

[gojetsgomoxies]

beltre vs. schmidt (or brett) is interesting.... different eras. schmidt was considered dominant player but his stats apparently don't look that great.

why are there so few old 3rd baseman? only one i see on lists is eddie matthews. i'm thinking they immediately move best player in shortstop. and they didn't have model of more recent 3rd baseman (often fairly big hitter) ..... was ernie banks a shortstop?

nice to see someone mentioned Graig Nettles.

[gojetsgomoxies]

beltre has some seriously impressive stats. arguably much better than schmidt.

but schmidt was 3-time MVP, 2 more top 3. and then 5 more top 10 in MVP race.

beltre is just some top 10's in mvp races mostly...

[gojetsgomoxies]

someone mentioned dale murphy i think in theoretical sense.

i do think being very dominant for a few years should carry quite a bit of weight in evaluating players careers.

not sure who else is comparable to murphy or what happened to him not to long, distinguished career.

[TheGoldenGoose]

The answer is Schmidt. Boggs was one awesome player. Hitting skills almost unmatched.

Red Sox called him up too late. Should have had two more years in Majors.

Red Sox had no choice. Boggs was blocked by AL Batting Champion Carney Lansford who batted .336 in 1981. Lansford and Boggs both too good to move or trade at the time.

Schmidt, Brett, Chipper, Brooks.

Whoever said Graig Nettles is a DOPE.

[unlearn]

The answer will be Nolan Arenado in 10 years

[unde0087]

David Wright easy

[dark star]

Brett

[Chi_archie]

The answer will be Nolan Arenado in 10 years

prob true

[TommieGunshot]

Red Sox had no choice. Boggs was blocked by AL Batting Champion Carney Lansford who batted .336 in 1981. Lansford and Boggs both too good to move or trade at the time.

In 1982 they played Boggs at first base more than third base and his defense was above average. In 1981 they let Yaz and Tony Perez play first base and DH where they combined to hit .250 with fewer than 50 extra base hits and 80 walks in over 700 plate appearances, while Boggs was stuck in the minors. In 1980 they didn't have Lansford and played a 21-year-old Glen Hoffman at third instead of a 22-year-old Wade Boggs. They Red Sox had plenty of options and opportunities to get him on the team and have him in the lineup. Instead they wasted about 2.5 years

[Chi_archie]

In 1982 they played Boggs at first base more than third base and his defense was above average. In 1981 they let Yaz and Tony Perez play first base and DH where they combined to hit .250 with fewer than 50 extra base hits and 80 walks in over 700 plate appearances, while Boggs was stuck in the minors. In 1980 they didn't have Lansford and played a 21-year-old Glen Hoffman at third instead of a 22-year-old Wade Boggs. They Red Sox had plenty of options and opportunities to get him on the team and have him in the lineup. Instead they wasted about 2.5 years

Good stuff

[2daBank]

The answer will be Nolan Arenado in 10 years

I considered sayin him but fair or not I think you have to hold rox guys home park against them. I tend to look at their road numbers to judge them which I’ll admit isn’t entirely fair cause lots of guys play better at home, not just Rockies players.

[Chi_archie]

Johnny bench

[hawkwind]

Brooks Robinson & Harmon Killebrew