[Optional]

Hey Daggles... good to see you man





Optional... with all due respect.... how do you classify this golf match as a tournament? When 2 pro bowlers are going head-to-head... do we call that a tournament? If we have 2 poker players going head-to-head.... is that a tournament? A tournament is numerous entries... not head-to-head.

Do we consider Woods VS Mickelson a Final Round? Well.... we never had a 1st round or 2nd round etc... so you shouldn't consider the match a Final Round.

It's just a horrible decision. There is no official rule that 5Dimes has that would allow them to cancel these wagers... but they did anyways. They are making their decision "on the fly" and it's a shame.

No worries TMS. And nice to see you too.

I've not once said how this event should be classified. Or said anyone is wrong.

Just trying to fully understand the argument.


I can see why people didn't expect this grading, but just saying other books always grade the way I expected it should be isn't a real argument.

And personally, I am not seeing very strong arguments about the rule wording not applying. Saying there was no first round so you cant call it a final round doesn't work for me as a useable argument.

Just my opinion after reading all the rules https://www.5dimes.eu/sb_rules.html#golf

[yisman]

the reason for the final round matchup rule is as follows

tiger -8 after round 3
dj -6 after round 3
spieth -5 after round 3

tiger and spieth get into a playoff, and tiger birdies 3 playoff holes in a row to win... but he had a head-head matchup for rd 4 against dj (who beat him by 1 shot but didn't get into the playoff)

so dj wins the round 4 matchup because those playoff holes don't count

Exactly this. That's the only reason for the 'final round' language and Phil vs. Tiger was clearly not a 'final round'.

For anyone who bets golf, this is open and shut.

It should be graded exactly the same as WGC matchups.

[cincinnatikid513]

No worries TMS. And nice to see you too.

I've not once said how this event should be classified. Or said anyone is wrong.

Just trying to fully understand the argument.


I can see why people didn't expect this grading, but just saying other books always grade the way I expected it should be isn't a real argument.

And personally, I am not seeing very strong arguments about the rule wording not applying.

Just my opinion after reading all the rules https://www.5dimes.eu/sb_rules.html#golf

they could of worded things better , they treated this match the same as a regular golf tournament matchup instead of a wgc match play event more specific wording on the wager would of been better for everyone

[Optional]

It should be graded exactly the same as WGC matchups.

Have you had any WGC matchups that went extra holes and were graded action at 5Dimes Yis? For certain?

[milwaukee mike]

my last comment... if 5dimes grading is correct, then why hasn't ONE SINGLE PERSON with a tiger bet at any sportsbook complained that they were given a loss instead of a push?

[Optional]

they could of worded things better , they treated this match the same as a regular golf tournament matchup instead of a wgc match play event more specific wording on the wager would of been better for everyone

You seem pretty reasonable here Cinci

Can you find some words in the 5D rules that you think cover the grading of WGC Matchplay to be different to this?

https://www.5dimes.eu/sb_rules.html#golf

[dhristov211]

SBR Book grade Woods a loser?

[HorseShoeLuck]

You shouldn't have to dig into small print on page 975 there were 2 golfers playing HU you pick 1 or the other you pay when that guy loses like EVERY other book and VEGAS did stop reaching the only 2 people on here defending the grade is you and JJ SHOCKER!

[cincinnatikid513]

You seem pretty reasonable here Cinci

Can you find some words in the 5D rules that you think cover the grading of WGC Matchplay to be different to this?

https://www.5dimes.eu/sb_rules.html#golf

i haven't used my 5dimes account in a while but i know in the past i wagered on wgc match play event and i think the key to everything under the rules is

(unless otherwise specified).

i think for the wgc match play matches they will say something like player that advances or extra holes included so they are covered if a match goes to extra holes and it's not settled as a draw, or sometimes i think they will even list a draw line kind of like soccer and the 3 way line

[sweep]

SBR book grade Woods a loser?

my phil bet for match and back 9 were both graded as winners

[HorseShoeLuck]

my phil bet for match and back 9 were both graded as winners

[sweep]

i haven't used my 5dimes account in a while but i know in the past i wagered on wgc match play event and i think the key to everything under the rules is

(unless otherwise specified).

i think for the wgc match play matches they will say something like player that advances or extra holes included so they are covered if a match goes to extra holes and it's not settled as a draw, or sometimes i think they will even list a draw line kind of like soccer and the 3 way line

I said this pages ago....should have had a 3-way line if this was how they were going to grade it.

Tiger -200

Phil +170

Extra Holes +600

[jjgold]

5 Dimes just pay everyone it does not even dent you

Reason the rules were not clear here to many, moving forward more clear rules , I think many bet who were just casual golf fans

[cincinnatikid513]

I said this pages ago....should have had a 3-way line if this was how they were going to grade it.

Tiger -200

Phil +170

Extra Holes +600

i really think they were just confused how to list this match and it wasn't a nefarious attempt against the players

[Optional]

i haven't used my 5dimes account in a while but i know in the past i wagered on wgc match play event and i think the key to everything under the rules is

(unless otherwise specified).

i think for the wgc match play matches they will say something like player that advances or extra holes included so they are covered if a match goes to extra holes and it's not settled as a draw, or sometimes i think they will even list a draw line kind of like soccer and the 3 way line

Ah, thankyou. That makes sense.

I said this pages ago....should have had a 3-way line if this was how they were going to grade it.

Tiger -200

Phil +170

Extra Holes +600

Why do they need to offer a 3 way line instead of PK here? Is that really necessary?

Someone mentioned that they offered a separate market for playoff holes yes/no. Does that make a difference to your thinking?

[sweep]

Ah, thankyou. That makes sense.






Why do they need to offer a 3 way line instead of PK here? Is that really necessary?

Someone mentioned that they offered a separate market for playoff holes yes/no. Does that make a difference to your thinking?

None of this would be necessary if it said "regulation only"

[jjgold]

There was so much confusion and this was a strange event we never had before just pay everyone

[Optional]

i really think they were just confused how to list this match and it wasn't a nefarious attempt against the players, i keep thinking about tony being gone and it's like the packers losing aaron rodgers and having to bring the backup in, things aren't going to run as smooth going to be some hiccups

Pretty much agree.

I think it is reasonable for people to have expected this market to be tagged as including any playoff holes.

I would have expected it too.

But it wasn't.

And 5Dimes made a grading decision based on their rules. If they did not, then it would be reasonable for a whole other set of bettors to be complaining now.

[Optional]

None of this would be necessary if it said "regulation only"

Yeah. And obviously, from the reaction here, it wasn't clear enough. If they intended to have this graded differently to WGC Matches I think they would have put that there as you suggest. But I'm guessing it just wasn't thought about. :\

[soobv]

This whole thing reminds me of the wrestlemania situation back in the day. They do always grade by their rules though.

[jjgold]

Optional lets get these guys paid

Make some calls, this is an unusual case

[BennieB]

So you 5Dimes fans, how do you explain away that they took my live plays while they were on hole 21 and then called it a tie based on 18 holes? There are rules for live plays: "Bets placed on Live In-Play lines take in consideration the score of the full match/event/game unless otherwise specified. Regular betting rules for each sport apply."

They were taking live bets right up until the final hole (22) but then said it was a tie? Come on! No reason to file a dispute here when the MODS are defending the book no matter what.

[BIG]

So you 5Dimes fans, how do you explain away that they took my live plays while they were on hole 21 and then called it a tie based on 18 holes? There are rules for live plays: "Bets placed on Live In-Play lines take in consideration the score of the full match/event/game unless otherwise specified. Regular betting rules for each sport apply."

They were taking live bets right up until the final hole (22) but then said it was a tie? Come on! No reason to file a dispute here when the MODS are defending the book no matter what.

WOW Did u ask 5dimes why they did that?

[Optional]

So you 5Dimes fans, how do you explain away that they took my live plays while they were on hole 21 and then called it a tie based on 18 holes? There are rules for live plays: "Bets placed on Live In-Play lines take in consideration the score of the full match/event/game unless otherwise specified. Regular betting rules for each sport apply."

They were taking live bets right up until the final hole (22) but then said it was a tie? Come on! No reason to file a dispute here when the MODS are defending the book no matter what.

That's different to what we have been discussing.

Send in a complaint form with your account details and let's see if we can find out the reason for that one. Their live rules are different.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/sportsbook-complaint/


Same with anyone else who feels they have been wrongly treated. Send in a complaint form.

My opinion isn't the important one here.

[BennieB]

WOW Did u ask 5dimes why they did that?

Yes, and got the same song and dance the rest of you did. This is flat out cheating. I have a ticket proving a bet was accepted at 7:40 PM. (Well into the extra holes) Live plays are always for the full match in golf. Always have been.

[tomk1234]

That 18 hole match line is total Bull shit If either player won the match before 18 holes it would be official

[jjgold]

I agree with the players here

5 Dimes should pay all Phil tickets

[milwaukee mike]

That 18 hole match line is total Bull shit If either player won the match before 18 holes it would be official

good point

if it only went 15 holes and phil won, they would've pulled the same crap

[dolphins88]

Unfortunately they won’t pay right? What’s the process to go about to make them pay other than submitting complaint form?

Are any mods going to represent us or we on our own here?

[5918mike]

That 18 hole match line is total Bull shit If either player won the match before 18 holes it would be official

True that!

[milwaukee mike]

Unfortunately they won’t pay right? What’s the process to go about to make them pay other than submitting complaint form?

Are any mods going to represent us or we on our own here?

the process is to contact bleacher report/espn... they love talking about gambling, they would eat this story up

and phil would pay all the bets on him that were cancelled, it would be good press for phil and horrible press for 5dimes, and all offshore sportsbooks

[sweep]

Unfortunately they won’t pay right? What’s the process to go about to make them pay other than submitting complaint form?

Are any mods going to represent us or we on our own here?

Fill out the form and be patient is your best course

[Joey Vigs]

Guys “shoot” in a complaint form, as opposed to filing a complaint

[slayer14]

If Tony was alive this would have never happened

[RangeFinder]

Bottom line is 5Dimes loses customers if they don't make this right

It's not that I'm accusing them of anything shady but they should have specified that any extra holes in the match did not count. It would have took one sentence next to the wager option.

Smart thing to do for them is to pay off the winners to avoid losing customers regardless of what the rules said for the fact that this was an unusual match they did not make rules for.