[sweep]

Probably more pissed off that the front door nut flush and the back door top-set/wheel draw didnt come thru....

That said, if you are calling off 7 Bigs in the SB with anything less than 7's plus you are a losing player lifetime.

[stevek173]

Nope, and not even close.

Anyone NOT calling 7x the bb with any pocket pair facing a chance at winning 180x+ the bb on an 11.8% chance at flopping a set, well I wish them the best of luck man.

[sweep]

Stevie thats why your are broke

[stevek173]

Lol not even close man.

I can't believe you don't see the value in setmining here man, honestly.

[RudyRuetigger]

steve it doesnt matter

quit clogging up his thread man

[Crusherrr]

That said, if you are calling off 7 Bigs in the SB with anything less than 7's plus you are a losing player lifetime.

Why are you stuck on a 77+ range? Instead, focus on your 3 bet sizing which gave him the right price to set mine. It's unlikely the initial raiser is going to 4 bet which makes his 44 call from the SB even better. If he doesn't hit his set on the flop it's very unlikely a board hits that he will continue with. Everyone is 90+ effective bb deep so hes calling 6.7bb preflop, 3 ways for a 20bb pot. Whether he hits his 4 or not he's checking his entire range from the sb on the flop. On a flop like that, you are c-betting about 90% of the time given your preflop 3piece.

His call was fine. You got coolered. The hand was played exactly how it should have been played. If you raised to $4.50 instead of $3.35 then you would have made his preflop call -EV. It doesn't mean he would have folded though and the hand still would have ended just as it did.

[Optional]

I have a live poker question.


If you are heads up against the SB, and they check in the dark before the flop, what do you make of that play?

Same question if it's done later...

[stevek173]

Opti I make of that play that they're trying to take some dumb looking like a know it all angle that doesn't actually exist.

It cracks me up when people do stuff like that.

[pimike]

I’m in for this and any 2 for 1 deals!

Lol

[sweethook]

Nope, and not even close.

Anyone NOT calling 7x the bb with any pocket pair facing a chance at winning 180x+ the bb on an 11.8% chance at flopping a set, well I wish them the best of luck man.

the best play here is situational just play your players , cards will take care of there self

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Sweeper, just a few things to consider:

1) To win at poker over time, the OTHER GUY has to make errors.

2) I read the two Janda books. He repeatedly said that POKER IS NOT A SOLVED GAME. IE, there's not one set formula that spits out all the answers. There is always an action + a re-action. In that sense, strategy is fluid.

3) Poker is a game where u can't be results-oriented in short-term. You play the best u can + hope for the best. If Small Blind assumes a call from Original Raiser, then it's not a terrible call.

If you talk to Cash game specialists, I think they're acutely aware of stacks behind. They know what their potential implied odds looks like.

[sweep]

good dialogue here....

how about this, if you were utg or utg+1 with no blind to defend you still call a 3b for 7bb with 4's?

i was brand new to that table too so i really have no read on anyone

[Optional]

good dialogue here....

how about this, if you were utg or utg+1 with no blind to defend you still call a 3b for 7bb with 4's?

i was brand new to that table too so i really have no read on anyone

I wouldn't be in the hand if I had not bet before you, so yeah, probably.

Would you have raised if UTG or UTG+1 had limped in or min raised?

[sweep]

I wouldn't be in the hand if I had not bet before you, so yeah, probably.

Would you have raised if UTG or UTG+1 had limped in or min raised?

AQ off i always raise, 3-bet or fold, AQ suited i can find a flat here and there with hopes of smashing the flop...no way i just dont lose the max here after that flop

[Sam Odom]

Top rated Thread here...

[thechaoz]

good dialogue here....

how about this, if you were utg or utg+1 with no blind to defend you still call a 3b for 7bb with 4's?

i was brand new to that table too so i really have no read on anyone

Not unless you get odds from his stack to set mine and think he might pay.

[thechaoz]

I have a live poker question.


If you are heads up against the SB, and they check in the dark before the flop, what do you make of that play?

Same question if it's done later...

you mean BB because small blind is first to act to you'd have to limp first then he checks dark?

Regardless it's either to get a cheap flop with a speculative hand or trap with a big hand.

I wouldn't check in the dark with a bad hand.

[thechaoz]

Why are you stuck on a 77+ range? Instead, focus on your 3 bet sizing which gave him the right price to set mine. It's unlikely the initial raiser is going to 4 bet which makes his 44 call from the SB even better. If he doesn't hit his set on the flop it's very unlikely a board hits that he will continue with. Everyone is 90+ effective bb deep so hes calling 6.7bb preflop, 3 ways for a 20bb pot. Whether he hits his 4 or not he's checking his entire range from the sb on the flop. On a flop like that, you are c-betting about 90% of the time given your preflop 3piece.

His call was fine. You got coolered. The hand was played exactly how it should have been played. If you raised to $4.50 instead of $3.35 then you would have made his preflop call -EV. It doesn't mean he would have folded though and the hand still would have ended just as it did.

Can you explain how the 4.5 instead of 3.35 makes it -ev. If they are all 90 plus deep, and if he thinks he could get 45 out of it, would 4.5 still be +ev. (I also think set mining in terms of needing to get x10 from the opponent for easy math)

I see you used 6.7 into a 20 pot, which is just under 3/1. I'm just curious as to adjust my sizings

[sweep]

bottom line is they name parking spots after that guy in the SB

[Optional]

you mean BB because small blind is first to act to you'd have to limp first then he checks dark?

Regardless it's either to get a cheap flop with a speculative hand or trap with a big hand.

I wouldn't check in the dark with a bad hand.

I was thinking something like a button raise, SB call and BB fold. But anytime heads up and out of postion I was thinking.

The reason I asked was that I have a habit of doing it now and then.

I feel like it makes the opponent stop thinking about the hand for a moment and maybe worry about me staring at them for tells on the flop when they can't get one from me. Just gives them something unexpected to think about or break concentration.

Plus I don't mind looking like a bit of a fish in live tournies.

Just wondered what others actually make of it.

[blankoblanco]

Probably more pissed off that the front door nut flush and the back door top-set/wheel draw didnt come thru....

That said, if you are calling off 7 Bigs in the SB with anything less than 7's plus you are a losing player lifetime.

Just to chime in here, I generally agree with sweep's sentiment. People way overestimate their implied odds set mining. They forget that not only do you have to hit your 1 in 8 set, you have to hit it on a flop that gives you action. A lot of your hits with 44 are like a 489 rainbow board, nobody else has jackshit, you get a single continuation bet at most. That's pretty awful when you're just folding on every board that doesn't have a 4.

Obviously in this case it came like one of the absolute best flops 44 could have gotten and he STILL had to dodge the flush draw or he actually gets stacked! This isn't the old days where everybody's gonna just stack off 100 BBs with top pair top kicker (except at SBR obviously). Overcalling a 3bet to purely setmine from the worst position is something you need a pretty damn good reason to do imo

That being said, the fact that it was a smallish open and smallish 3bet makes it a lot more borderline. Depending on if he thinks one of the other players will stack off too light it becomes more justifiable

[sweep]

good post blanco...im learning alot from this hand... we need more of this back & forth here

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Sweep just called a raise with 33, opposite side of the hand he posted in this thread this time

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Sweep just called a raise with 33, opposite side of the hand he posted in this thread this time

Opti, u ever watch Live at the Bike videos on Youtube?

Some of those hands get crazy. And I'd say the main reason is that the calling ranges are super-wide. Players playing w/ 200 to 300 BB behind, so it's often CLOSE to a family pot.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Sweep, at times we've had some good hand discussions in the Poker Forum. It's interesting that different people play different ways.

I think the best player is the one who splits his time between Live + Lab. He learns + comes back an improved player.

[sweep]

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