[onlooker]

4.5 over -140
under +110

Take it to pound town

Player must play to have action.

I would tie up the shot takers money the entire season for trying it, then void the ticket.

[brooks85]

"look at the same pistol millions of other people already bought before me"

lol people who show of their guns in mirror shots, hilarious

[Mac4Lyfe]

WTF??? Greg Doyle is tweeting out that Hernandez may be a serial killer...

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/ey...-double-murder
One day after being arraigned on six charges -- including first-degree murder -- in connection with the death of Odin Lloyd, former Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez is now being investigated as a possible suspect in a July 2012 double murder that happened in Boston, according to WFXT-TV, a Fox affiliate in Boston.

On July 16, 2012, Boston police responded to a call just after 2 a.m. ET, according to the report. When authorities arrived on the scene, they found three people in a car at a traffic light who had all been shot. Two of the men in the vehicle had been fatally shot.
The two men who were fatally wounded were sitting in the front seat of the car. The passenger in the back of the vehicle survived. Witnesses in the area placed a grey or silver SUV with Rhode Island license plates at the scene of the crime.
According to Fox 25, authorities are looking into Hernandez's connection to the killings.

[Sport_Fish]

Mass does not have the death penalty.

1st degree murder carries life in prison. If he's found guilty of a lessor 2nd degree murder, that still carries a life sentence with the option of parole after 15 years.

If he's found not guilty of 1st or 2nd degree murder, he could still be found guilty of carrying 5 separate firearms. That has a 2.5 to 5 year sentence.

Either way, he is fukked. Stupid.

Hmm yeah he's def. screwed then. He should plead guilty and somehow try to get it dropped to 2nd degree, will have a chance at another life. But seems impossible considering the evidence so far =/

[bobby heenan]

WTF??? Greg Doyle is tweeting out that Hernandez may be a serial killer...

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/ey...-double-murder
One day after being arraigned on six charges -- including first-degree murder -- in connection with the death of Odin Lloyd, former Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez is now being investigated as a possible suspect in a July 2012 double murder that happened in Boston, according to WFXT-TV, a Fox affiliate in Boston.

On July 16, 2012, Boston police responded to a call just after 2 a.m. ET, according to the report. When authorities arrived on the scene, they found three people in a car at a traffic light who had all been shot. Two of the men in the vehicle had been fatally shot.
The two men who were fatally wounded were sitting in the front seat of the car. The passenger in the back of the vehicle survived. Witnesses in the area placed a grey or silver SUV with Rhode Island license plates at the scene of the crime.
According to Fox 25, authorities are looking into Hernandez's connection to the killings.

if you get away with it once....without even being possibly linked...why not again.....kid has been getting away with being an idiot his whole life......unreal.....really sad to see this hit home as a lifelong pats fan/season ticket holder.....

let this be a lesson to talib and dennard....and every other kid on the planet....most of these kids already involved in this kind of lifestyle will never change no matter how much money they get ...in fact money will probably make it worse.....even worse when you are working close to where you grew up with the same people around...i said it reminds me of chris herren.....he was doing well in denver....living clean with mcdyess and van exel keeping an eye on him....then he gets traded to the celts and boom hes right back in his hometown penetrating with drugs with the same people around him....prob the worst thing that could have happened to this kid is being drafted by the jets, giants, or pats

[Mac4Lyfe]

[Mac4Lyfe]

[Bet10Heinekens]

#1Posted: 6/27/2013 3:49:54 PM
Taken from reddit...






All of this was from his arraignment yesterday.


The charges:


Murder
Carrying a firearm without a license
Possession of a large capacity firearm x2
Possession of a firearm without and FID card x2
The evidence:


Victim found 1/2 mile from Hernandez's home w/ numerous gunshot wounds
5 .45 caliber shells found at the scene, fired from a semi-auto weapon, based on the locations and distance between them.
Victim was not robbed, had wallet, keys and phone.
Keys were to a rental car, registered to Hernandez.
Phone contained text messages between the victim and Hernandez, within hours of the murder.
Victim's sister said her brother left at 2:30 AM in a silver Nissan Altima with three people inside
Hernandez had been renting a Silver Nissan Altima
Hernandez had known the victim for about a year, The victims girlfriend is the sister of Hernadez's Fiance
The police went to question Hernandez, Who didn't answer the door. a squad car was placed outside. Eventually Hernandez came out, and told the cops he knew they were they and that he had been watching them on his surveillance system
A warrant was issued to seize surveillance footage from Hernandez's home.
hernandez had recently installed a 14 camera system with cameras inside and out.
Upon reviewing the footage, they noticed that the first 6-8 hours of footage after the time of the murder was missing.
at 9:02 PM Hernandez texted a friend from out of state "please make it back"
9:05 he texted the victim, indicating he wanted to come by and get together with him
9:35 he texted the same out of state friend "get your behind up here" then at 10:23 "hurry your behind up"
The man he was texting and one other showed up at hernandez's home, seen on surveillance footage
Shortly after they arrive, Hernandez is seen with a firearm in his home on the surveillance system says "he is upset that he can't trust anyone anymore"
the three left Hernandez's home at 1:12 AM in the silver Nissan Altima, captured on survelliance, phone records and cell tower
the went from Hernadez's home to route 95, headed south towards (? couldn't understand) they turned around and went north. the cell phone tower tracked their movement to a gas station off route 128
at 2:10AM Hernandez bought Gas, Bubbalicious blue cotton candy gum, and black and milds which are used for smoking mariujana (the prosecutor seems to be mistaken about common blunt cigars but oh well)
Next they went to the victims home, at 2:32 am Hernandez sent a text "we're here" to the victim, this is when the victims sister saw him leave with them, Hernandez was driving
They drove back to North Attleboro, this is corroborated by some random surveillance cameras and route was determined by time and distance traveled.
during the ride, Hernandez had a conversation with the victim indicating he was upset with him. The two had gone to a club together friday night.
he said some things happened that night and he wasn't sure if he could trust the victim, one of them was that the victim had spoken to some people He had troubles with, and he was mad about it.
At 3:07 AM the victim sent a text to his sister "did you see who I am with" no response he texted again at 3:11 AM "Hello?"
at 3:19 am his sister replied "who?" at 3:22 the victim texted back "NFL" then 1 minute later "Just so you know"
at the time of these texts, the car is seen on surveillance cameras in the area of the murder site/Hernandez's home
Surveillance cameras show the vehicle driving down the road to the murder site at 3:23 AM
between 3:23 and 3:27 am workers nearby hear multiple gunshots
cameras pick up the vehicle along the route between the murder site and Hernandez's home at 3:27 and 3:28 AM.
Hernandez's own Surveillance picks sees him arriving back home at 3:29 AM
Police confirm it is only a 2 minute drive.
autopsy found that all evidence was consistent with the victim being murdered where he was found. In other words, he wasn't dumped. Also consistent Time of death to the time the car was there.
two through and through wounds to the victim's chest. Police returned to the scene and dug where the victim was, they found the bullets, indicating the victim was on the ground when he was shot. Both bullets were .45 caliber, consistent with the casings found. All fired from the same unknown gun
at 3:30 AM Hernandez is seen with his companions in his driveway, one of whom has a gun.
they go inside. Surveillance shows Hernandez walking around with a gun in his hand.
all three go to the basement. Surveillance cameras shut off
later that day, 5:30 PM Hernandez and his companions return the Nissan Altima to the rental agency, Hernandez offers the attendant Blue Bubbalicious.
one of the side mirrors is broken on the car, footage of the vehicle earlier in the night suggest it wasn't broken when he left Boston, he tells the rental agency he didn't even notice it. The evidence being that it was broken sometime between leaving Boston and arriving back at home.
He rents another car and returns home, companions leave.
At the rental agency, a piece of bubbalicious and a shell casing were found, attendant threw them away. When questioned, she told investigators about it, they found it in the dumpster, Shell casing matched to the casings found at the scene.
Tire impressions at the murder scene right next to the body were consistent with a front wheel drive vehicle (altima is FWD)
Investigators checked out the rental car. Tire treads matched those at the crime scene. Dirt found on the car also matched the crime scene
They found a .22 nearby in a search of everywhere between Hernandez's home and the murder site. Hernandez a month prior had been involved an altercation in providence Rhode island. He had someone with him who was seen to place a gun under a car. This man matches the description of one of his companions on the night of the murder.
The gun under the car in Providence was traced to a florida gunstore. The 22 found between Hernandez's home and the murder site was from the same store.
further search warrant of Hernandez's home ordered. They found 22 ammo, but no 22 gun. They also found a large capacity 7.62 hungarian semi auto rifle, and a fully loaded 32 round magazine . Hernandez's prints on it, he doesn't have the correct paperwork to own it.
Not recovered was the Black semi auto handgun seen in Hernandez's hand before and after the murder. the second individuals gun not found either.
Hernandez's girlfriend was spoken to by police, she was cooperating until a call from hernandez telling her not to. She then stopped talking.
the victim had defensive wounds and seemed to attempt to stop the bullets with his arms.

[jnickell100]

Wow if the above post is actually true, he's done. Great post.

[Mac4Lyfe]

^^ Dam... Hernandez is in a world of hurt.

[Grits n' Gravy]

Sounds like one of his CT boys rolled over and gave him up as the shooter. With his money going to trial is in his best interest. Anything can happen in court. Taking a deal still puts him in Walpole for a stretch anyways. Kid had a bright professional career ahead of him but wanted to stay hood. He'll stay in pc while locked up and be fine.

[Grits n' Gravy]

Also some lessons to be learned here is pre paid cash tracphones still should always be used if you can't move in silence and do your dirt by yourself.

[mynameismud]

remanded again today. hes staying in jail til trial.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

Also some lessons to be learned here is pre paid cash tracphones still should always be used if you can't move in silence and do your dirt by yourself.

how bout not being a wannabe thug if you have a silver spoon in your mouth lesson?

or not being a dumbfukk if you've won the lottery playing professional sports lesson?

[iifold]

how bout not being a wannabe thug if you have a silver spoon in your mouth lesson?

or not being a dumbfukk if you've won the lottery playing professional sports lesson?

I don't know if I'd call him a wannabe thug... If you're worth 40 mil and killing people, you're as thug as it gets...

[Deuce]

Hernandez watched too many movies.

[Bet10Heinekens]

WTF??? Greg Doyle is tweeting out that Hernandez may be a serial killer...

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/ey...-double-murder
One day after being arraigned on six charges -- including first-degree murder -- in connection with the death of Odin Lloyd, former Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez is now being investigated as a possible suspect in a July 2012 double murder that happened in Boston, according to WFXT-TV, a Fox affiliate in Boston.

On July 16, 2012, Boston police responded to a call just after 2 a.m. ET, according to the report. When authorities arrived on the scene, they found three people in a car at a traffic light who had all been shot. Two of the men in the vehicle had been fatally shot.
The two men who were fatally wounded were sitting in the front seat of the car. The passenger in the back of the vehicle survived. Witnesses in the area placed a grey or silver SUV with Rhode Island license plates at the scene of the crime.
According to Fox 25, authorities are looking into Hernandez's connection to the killings.

Odin Lloyd probably knew too much about the double homicide...dead man don't talk

[Big Bear]

Odin Lloyd probably knew too much about the double homicide...dead man don't talk

i doubt thats the reason he was murdered.

i thought they were friends

[Mac4Lyfe]

He's cooked...

remanded again today. hes staying in jail til trial.

[Grits n' Gravy]

how bout not being a wannabe thug if you have a silver spoon in your mouth lesson?

or not being a dumbfukk if you've won the lottery playing professional sports lesson?

Kid is not a wannabe. Saw footage of arraignment and he is either stone cold or his situation hasn't hit him. Stupidity knows no bounds. Silver spoon kids like the P&G heir were murderers. The French banking exec Strauss is a serial predator. The list goes on for days.

[King Mayan]

Kid is not a wannabe. Saw footage of arraignment and he is either stone cold or his situation hasn't hit him. Stupidity knows no bounds. Silver spoon kids like the P&G heir were murderers. The French banking exec Strauss is a serial predator. The list goes on for days.

Yeah I would be crying like a bitch.. That motherfuker doesnt even blink.

[Sport_Fish]

Some stuff is strange in the arraignment...they said they found the keys to Hernadez' rental car in the victim's pocket which was left behind at the dump. Then it says surveillance caught Hernandez returning home in the car? It was an Altima which has touch-start so its possible to drive without the keys once u start it. But y in the hell would he start the car, put the keys of a car registered UNDER HIS NAME inside the pocket of a dude he just murdered, then drive away with the car without the keys?

Another explanation could be duplicate keys, but I don't think rentals even come with 2 keys. Plus even if for some reason they did, why in the hell would he decide to give one to the guy he's about to kill. Strange.

[lakerboy]

Yeah I would be crying like a bitch.. That motherfuker doesnt even blink.

come on mexito. spics are all angry crzy mofos. they have no care for anyone. spics are known for beating up there wives/gf's and running around yelling and screaming.

[jnickell100]

come on mexito. spics are all angry crzy mofos. they have no care for anyone. spics are known for beating up there wives/gf's and running around yelling and screaming.

Spics? For some reason I seriously doubt you'd be calling anyone a spic to their face. What a racist piece of shit.

[Grits n' Gravy]

come on mexito. spics are all angry crzy mofos. they have no care for anyone. spics are known for beating up there wives/gf's and running around yelling and screaming.

That's like saying all Indians smell like shit, have a family member that drives a cab and are terrible handicappers.

[Big Bear]

Some stuff is strange in the arraignment...they said they found the keys to Hernadez' rental car in the victim's pocket which was left behind at the dump. Then it says surveillance caught Hernandez returning home in the car? It was an Altima which has touch-start so its possible to drive without the keys once u start it. But y in the hell would he start the car, put the keys of a car registered UNDER HIS NAME inside the pocket of a dude he just murdered, then drive away with the car without the keys?

Another explanation could be duplicate keys, but I don't think rentals even come with 2 keys. Plus even if for some reason they did, why in the hell would he decide to give one to the guy he's about to kill. Strange.

Nah actually that it was a good idea or anything but by having the car parked in his driveway and the keys to the car in the victims pocket...

his story could be like how could i have drove thaf car anyway without the keys??

And by also having the car parked at his house with the keys to the car in the victims pocket ... it makes it look like Aaron and Odin are friends

[Big Bear]

If Hernandez's lawyers do try to fight this case they will try hard to make it seem like their was no motive and they will try to make it seem like aaron and odin were good friends and aaron had no reason to want him murdered.

And really to me I think Hernandez did it. BUT i am shocked by why he would want to kill his fiances sisters boyfriend ..

thats so fukked up if true.

[Sport_Fish]

Nah actually that it was a good idea or anything but by having the car parked in his driveway and the keys to the car in the victims pocket...

his story could be like how could i have drove thaf car anyway without the keys??

And by also having the car parked at his house with the keys to the car in the victims pocket ... it makes it look like Aaron and Odin are friends

lol I agree that could be a decent story. But if the guy had the time and mindset to draw up a plan like that, ur telling me he didn't have the time to make sure to clear a damn shell casing from the car? Or leave gum inside the car. Or atleast not carry around the murder weapon out in the open where surv. cameras have clearly caught it.

Oh well all speculation by us, but at the end of the day, it all might be a nutcase choice by a nutcase who wasn't thinking straight and made a mess of it all - which is why some stuff doesn't exactly make sense.

And yeah the evidence is just too obv here - unless all this stuff and what the prosecution has said thus far is a pure lie, no way to get out of this. Only decent outcome is if they can somehow prove Hernandez didn't know his friends were going to murder him and he can maybe get away with just accessory to murder or something and let the other dude take 1st degree charge.

[bobby heenan]

Kid is not a wannabe. Saw footage of arraignment and he is either stone cold or his situation hasn't hit him. Stupidity knows no bounds. Silver spoon kids like the P&G heir were murderers. The French banking exec Strauss is a serial predator. The list goes on for days.

while i watched both the arraignment and bail appeal ....and didnt actually see this...i saw it reported that hernandez did wipe some tears from his eyes at the arraignment.....thats the sad part....he does look pretty stone cold while standing there....he sort of has to....but deep down you know this kid knows what hes been involved in and threw a good life away....

[tony_come]

We r tracking your phone

[Ghenghis Kahn]

"Aaron Hernandez was in constant fear that someone wanted him dead ... and that's why he stocked up on firearms ... sources close to the former New England Patriots star tell TMZ.

We're told ... the stories about Aaron's connections to gang members in Connecticut are real -- because the 23-year-old had joined one back when he was a teenager.

Sources connected to Aaron tell us ... he had been trying to move away from the gangster life ever since he signed his fat $40 million contract with the Patriots back in 2012, but it's not as easy as it sounds.

In fact, we're told Aaron believed people in the gangster world felt Aaron owed them something ... but it wasn't all about money -- they wanted his time and respect.

Sources say ... in the months leading up to the death of Odin Lloyd, Hernandez became paranoid that people from his "old lifestyle" were trying to kill him. It's unclear if Aaron feared scorned friends ... or rivals."



so are they saying he has or had gang ties?

[tblues2005]

lol I agree that could be a decent story. But if the guy had the time and mindset to draw up a plan like that, ur telling me he didn't have the time to make sure to clear a damn shell casing from the car? Or leave gum inside the car. Or atleast not carry around the murder weapon out in the open where surv. cameras have clearly caught it.

Oh well all speculation by us, but at the end of the day, it all might be a nutcase choice by a nutcase who wasn't thinking straight and made a mess of it all - which is why some stuff doesn't exactly make sense.

And yeah the evidence is just too obv here - unless all this stuff and what the prosecution has said thus far is a pure lie, no way to get out of this. Only decent outcome is if they can somehow prove Hernandez didn't know his friends were going to murder him and he can maybe get away with just accessory to murder or something and let the other dude take 1st degree charge.

I am beginning to think that he was involved with a group of them thugs and couldn't find his way out of this at all. That is why possibly he didn't get out of jail on bond and that is why because it may be for his protection because the ones in that gang may want to kill him before he goes to trail here. If I was him I would consider being the whistle blower in this case if there hasn't been one yet. I don't know what his attorney is doing behind the scenes here but I do think that is maybe a possible plea deal can be made if he wasn't the one that did the actual killing of this person because he maybe the one that didn't want to do it and one of the other fools did the killing. This just seems very strange to me some of the things that have been said here in this case.

[tblues2005]

"Aaron Hernandez was in constant fear that someone wanted him dead ... and that's why he stocked up on firearms ... sources close to the former New England Patriots star tell TMZ.

We're told ... the stories about Aaron's connections to gang members in Connecticut are real -- because the 23-year-old had joined one back when he was a teenager.

Sources connected to Aaron tell us ... he had been trying to move away from the gangster life ever since he signed his fat $40 million contract with the Patriots back in 2012, but it's not as easy as it sounds.

In fact, we're told Aaron believed people in the gangster world felt Aaron owed them something ... but it wasn't all about money -- they wanted his time and respect.

Sources say ... in the months leading up to the death of Odin Lloyd, Hernandez became paranoid that people from his "old lifestyle" were trying to kill him. It's unclear if Aaron feared scorned friends ... or rivals."



so are they saying he has or had gang ties?

It's very possible he was involved with the gangs here and was put into a tough situation here. He may not have been the one that fired the shots here but he was there when it happened. The other guys are the ones that actually did this quite possibly here and Hernandez is the one that may be the fall guy here.

[bobby heenan]

2nd guy was arrested in florida....now things will get even more interesting....

ive said before...i worked with a kid who played aau basketball with hernandez....he told me the dude was crazy and ran with some crazy people.......i could actually believe that this dude couldnt escape that life....worst thing that could have happened to this kid was being drafted by the jets, giants, and pats....although it seems great and a dream....its a nightmare....different circumstances...but similar to chris herren being traded to the celts

[Ghenghis Kahn]

i forgot he is only 23.

i remember being 23.

i felt invincible and i was broke.

i can only imagine being 23 and having millions in my bank account.

but reality sets in for most at the ages of 25-30.

reality will hit aaron real soon, wouldn't be surprised if he tries to kill himself in prison...