[bettilimbroke999]

Rodgers proves and reproves and reproves why I posted this thread

Anyone who thinks Rodgers could shine Favre's shoes at this point should check in to rehab

[waco66]

brett favre doesn't play defense. Aaron Rodgers had his first real bad game.


SORRY YOU LOST MONEY BUT SHUT UP!

[bettilimbroke999]

Rodgers fukin blows, Minnesota rapes them everytime they play, Tampa Bay rapes them when they cant beat ANYONE, here's how pick 6, pick 6, sack sack sack sack sack sack sack sack, has Rodgers ever even heard of throwin the ball away

RODGERS FUKIN BLOWS AND SHUT UP

[jsmithj88]

why are u blaming rodgers?
he didnt kick favre off the team
he didnt give up 38 points to tampa

[RPP]

I had a big 3 teamer today and I needed GB to win to cash. I can't believe they lost. Just my luck...

[yisman]

You're going to bump this every time Rodgers throws an INT?

[Sekrah]

As much as I love Brett Favre, he wouldn't be able to play behind that suckass offensive line. Rodgers won't make it all season if that continues.

Nonsense. That's basically the same O-Line he has been playing with. Outside of a 3 or 4 year span in the mid-late 90s, He's had mediocre O-lines for his entire career. It's one of the reasons he always had those interceptions. Favre gets the ball out of his hand quicker, knows his bailout receiver when things break down.

Favre right now has the best O-Line he has ever had and look at him now, 16 TDs, 3 INTs.

[Sekrah]

why are u blaming rodgers?
he didnt kick favre off the team
he didnt give up 38 points to tampa

He gave up 14 to Tampa and cost his own team points, three picks, one to the house, another on the doorstep, and another on 1st and 10 in Tampa territory.

[yisman]

Nonsense. That's basically the same O-Line he has been playing with. Outside of a 3 or 4 year span in the mid-late 90s, He's had mediocre O-lines for his entire career. It's one of the reasons he always had those interceptions. Favre gets the ball out of his hand quicker, knows his bailout receiver when things break down.

Are you kidding me?

I bet you can't name the Green Bay starting tackles without looking them up.

GB's offensive line is awful. They had stalwarts like Clifton and Tauscher when Favre was there.

It's a completely different line than the ones Favre played with.

[bettilimbroke999]

You're going to bump this every time Rodgers throws an INT?

Dude are you serious Rodgers blew so much rooster this game he was hired as a fluffer for the porn industry and told to pretend its Sunday afternoon

EVERY FUKIN KEY DRIVE ANYONE OF WHICH HAD BEEN SUCCESSFUL AND HE LOCKS UP THE WIN AGAINST SHITBAG WINLESS TAMPA BAY WITH THEIR SHITBAG NONEXISTENT DEFENSE INCLUDED A 10 YRD DRIVE ENDING SACK BC HE RUNS LIKE MY GRANDMA BUT FOR SOME REASON HASNT BEEN TOLD HE CAN THROW IT AWAY AND TURN 2ND AND 25 INTO 2ND AND 10, when he wasn't getting sacked he was throwing interceptions on his own 10 yrd line

[element1286]

Considering the way it has played out since the trade, the Packers absolutely made the right decision.

[bettilimbroke999]

Considering the way it has played out since the trade, the Packers absolutely made the right decision.

Bc Minny looks headed to the SB while they're getting raped by Tampa Bay

[element1286]

Bc Minny looks headed to the SB while they're getting raped by Tampa Bay

And that is Aaron Rodgers fault how? He has comparable stats to Farve and is 15 years younger. Knowing what we know now, it makes it more likely that the Packers would make the same decision.

[Sekrah]

Are you kidding me?

I bet you can't name the Green Bay starting tackles without looking them up.

GB's offensive line is awful. They had stalwarts like Clifton and Tauscher when Favre was there.

It's a completely different line than the ones Favre played with.

God, I hope you aren't serious with this post.. First off, Favre had Tauscher in 2007 when they went 13-3. 2nd, Rodgers had him last year when he was sacked 30+ times. The Packers chose NOT TO RE-SIGN HIM because TAUSCHER IS A BUM. He became an unrestricted Free Agent, worked out with a bunch of teams in the offseason and couldn't get picked up.

Yea, that's some "Stalwart" for you. Favre had this bum tackle throughout his last 5 years in Green Bay.

In 2007, the Green Bay Packers went 13-3 and were NFC Runner-Ups.

Mark Tauscher was Brett Favre's starting Right Tackle
Scott Wells was Brett Favre's starting Center
Daryn Colledge and Jason Spitz were Brett Favre's starting Guards

4 of the 5 guys Rodgers started the year with, Brett Favre went 13-3 with. Clifton is a slightly above average Left Tackle, but he's not Jonathan Ogden good. He was a guy who became finally in the prime of his career became good enough to become a fringe pro-bowler. A good LT, but not all-world like you make him out to be.

If the offensive line sucks that bad because of a single guy, than that again is another failure of Ted Thompson.

Clifton started today and results didn't change against a HORRRRIBLE Tampa Bay defensive line who couldn't sack potatoes up to today. Rodgers holding the ball too long is 80% of the problem.

[wisky]

Favre would do nothing absolutely nothing with this offensensive line. He would be killed or throw 1000 ints !

[tullamore]

Rodgers did not play well, but the OL play was a major factor for that. IF you want to blame Rodgers blame him for holding on to the ball too long. He still did manage to score 28 points, special teams is what cost the packers the game.

[Sekrah]

Favre would do nothing absolutely nothing with this offensensive line. He would be killed or throw 1000 ints !

HE HAS VIRTUALLY THIS SAME OFFENSIVE LINE (4/5ths of it) IN 2007 AND WENT 13-3 WITH HIS 3RD BEST QB RATING SEASON EVER AT 95.7!

PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS!!!!

Unbelievable how clueless some people are.

[fixxer]

Rodgers will never be half as good qb as Favre

[element1286]

HE HAS VIRTUALLY THIS SAME OFFENSIVE LINE (4/5ths of it) IN 2007 AND WENT 13-3 WITH HIS 3RD BEST QB RATING SEASON EVER AT 95.7!

PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS!!!!

Unbelievable how clueless some people are.

Ok, but Rodgers is still putting points on the board for his team. He is still putting up great passing numbers, and a great TD/INT ratio. So what tangible effect has the increased sacks allowed had negatively on his team?

[Sekrah]

Rodgers will never be half as good qb as Favre

This.

Decent arm strength, good accuracy, but he's got a strain of the David Carr-disease. I really don't think he has the "It"-factor to shake it.

[yisman]

Yeah, unbelievable how clueless some people are. How could someone who pretends to know something say that Green Bay has the same offensive line that they did in 2007?

Green Bay current offensive line

Lang-Colledge-Spitz/Wells-Sitton-Barbre (they haven't had much consistency either, with guys constantly being injured. Spitz and Lang are injured now)


Barbre didn't start once in 2007. He's started 7 games this year.
Sitton wasn't on the roster in 2007. He's started all 8 this year.
TJ Lang is a rookie

Same offensive line? Not for people who actually follow the game.

[The General]

Rodgers is not to blame. It is a team effort and Favre couldn't do any better wth this teams O line he would likely be hurt at his age with the lack of protection. He was complaining last week about an injury before the game with GB. Rodgers is a very good QB. Silly argument when you have so few people in the World capable of playing this position in the NFL. Billions of people in this world and VERY FEW of them can perform at this level in the NFL.

[Sekrah]

LOL.. Look at this stupidity.. I'm done arguing rolling in the mud with clueless meatheads.

[element1286]

LOL.. Look at this stupidity.. I'm done arguing rolling in the mud with clueless meatheads.

[daggerkobe]

Forgot to reply to this. What makes late points more valuable than early ones? I've read somewhere that the team leading after the first quarter won 75% of the time, so if anything, it's the other way around. What matters is playing well when the score's competitive (always early on). You're free to find a study indicating that late points matter more.

You think scoring a TD with 59 mins to go in the game is the same as scoring a TD with 1 min to go? Then I guess Rodgers and the other 30 QBs that have thrown a TD in the 1st QT should be mentioned in the same breath as Montana, Elway and Brady then.

Where did you read that teams leading after 1QT win 75% of the time? Cite it. I seriously doubt such data exists (otherwise u would have cited it). If it does, I guarantee leading after the 3QT has a higher win% than 1QT.

[yisman]

He/she/it knows he got creamed in the argument, so he started flailing about and calling people names, as if that makes him look any better.

He obviously doesn't know much about the Packers, considering how off he was about the offensive lines.

[Doc JS]

These are the facts and they are not in dispute:

Since Brett left GB:
17 wins - 8 losses (and that's including the last two months of the season last year after he hurt his shoulder)

Since Rodgers took over as starting QB in GB
10 wins - 14 losses

And Brett is 2 - 0 against Rodgers and the Packers since he left...




Doc

[wisky]

Wow Rodgers has been sack 37 times this year ! 4th in passer rating 104. Manning has only been sacked 7 times.

That is insane. Tackle Clifton is close to washed up and injury riddled. Give Rodgers a line that can protect and he wil be great.

[wisky]

These are the facts and they are not in dispute:

Since Brett left GB:
17 wins - 8 losses (and that's including the last two months of the season last year after he hurt his shoulder)

Since Rodgers took over as starting QB in GB
10 wins - 14 losses

And Brett is 2 - 0 against Rodgers and the Packers since he left...




Doc

Adrian Peterson come to mind.

[daggerkobe]

Rodgers could play behind an all-pro line and he'd still be sacked. The problem is he holds onto the ball too damn long. Even his coach has criticized him in the past:


Rodgers addresses issue of him holding onto the ball
By Greg A. Bedard of the Journal Sentinel
Oct. 14, 2009 *

Green Bay - The day after the loss to the Vikings, coach Mike McCarthy clearly said quarterback Aaron Rodgers was partly to blame for some of the eight sacks the Packers had.

There's definitely some that fell on the quarterback and the protection unit. A number of them could have been avoided, clearly.

McCarthy said the gameplan going in was to throw the ball quickly against a very good Vikings defense and in the raucous atmosphere inside the Metrodome;

He had some plays that he's gonna wish he had back. We didn't call a lot of plays where we were holding the ball. That was part of the design. When you play up there in that noise, they're playing a little bit downhill on you when they know it's a pass. I think that's evident to everybody. Holding the ball sometimes is not what we want to do.

McCarthy even explained the progression Rodgers has on each play:

He only has three reads in the whole offense. He has what we refer to as a pure progression read, where you create a triangle with the pass concept, and I tell him exactly who 1, 2 and 3 are. You either throw it to 1, 2 or 3. The second read is the progression or an option. You throw it to 1, 2 or 3, or there's an option built in based on the coverage. And the third read is what we refer to as a PSL, pre-snap look, that tells you to work one side or the other. So when you stay in tune with that, the time clock fits, and it's tied to the protection. Those are the types of things that are very basic...They did some different things with their coverage as far as holding their safeties and things. But you have to trust the read, trust the read, and that didn't happen all the time. There's a few plays I'm sure he'll wish he had back.

Well, Rodgers spoke today for the first time since the game. How did he react to the criticism? *You can judge from his words, which follow. But it more about the manner in which Rodgers spoke. He clearly doesn't think his holding the ball is an issue. He basically said he's going to continue to play the way that he plays.

"I'm just going to play quarterback and continue to trust my instincts. Hopefully we as a whole can be more consistent with our communication and have confidence that it's going to hold up and when it doesn't hold up, get the ball out of my hand or get out of the pocket."

Question: Are you holding the ball too long?

You know what? I'm playing the way I feel like I'm playing. I'm playing with instincts and, yeah, a couple times I probably held the ball a little too long but we need to all do our jobs, myself included, and I'm going to do better and get the ball out of my hands as quickly as I can. But we need to protect a little better as well."

Rodgers was absolutely correct when he talked about the upcoming portion of the schedule for the Packers:

We have an important stretch right now. We have Detroit at home and we go to Cleveland, come back home for Minnesota and go to Tampa Bay. So this is an important stretch for us. We know what later in the season holds for us. In order to make a run like we want to make a run, this is a very important stretch for us.

[Doc JS]

Adrian Peterson come to mind.

As I said, these are the facts and they are not in dispute...

[poochiecollins]

Rodgers proves and reproves and reproves why I posted this thread Anyone who thinks Rodgers could shine Favre's shoes at this point should check in to rehab

Way to cherry-pick Rodgers' worse game of the season to bump your old thread while ignoring facts contrary to your opinion. Reading your other posts, I'm curious if you're old enough to gamble.

[poochiecollins]

He gave up 14 to Tampa and cost his own team points, three picks, one to the house, another on the doorstep, and another on 1st and 10 in Tampa territory.

The "to the house" one was when the game was just about over. He was trying to make something happen. [Edit] Another interception, assuming I'm not mixing games in my head, was on a deep throw that was tipped by another receiver. [Edit 2] Or mixing teams. It might have been a Bucs turnover, heh.

[daggerkobe]

After timing each and every one of the 268 sacks that have been recorded in the first four weeks of the season it's becoming pretty apparent that the average sack occurs somewhere between 2.7 and 2.8 seconds after the snap of the ball. When announcers talk about a quarterback having an internal alarm clock to know when to get rid of the ball, that alarm clock generally should be going off around 2.7 seconds after the snap. Considering the injuries on the Packers' offensive line, Rodgers may want to move that alarm clock up to 2.5 seconds or so on an average snap. Instead, he's hit the snooze button.

The worst came on a pass play with the Packers backed up at their only goal line. Colledge had just left the game with a knee injury (after Allen had picked up 2 1/2 sacks in the first three quarters). The Packers tried to give third-string left tackle Lang some help by using tailback Ryan Grant to help double-team Allen. If Rodgers had gotten rid of the ball on time, it would have worked. But he ended up pump faking, pulling the ball down, stepping up into the pocket and looking for another option. The double team for Allen prevented him from getting free around the outside, but when Rodgers stepped up, it gave Allen a open lane to reverse his momentum and pull Rodgers down from behind for the sack and a safety 3.3 seconds after the snap.

On another sack, Rodgers held the ball for an amazing 5.7 seconds before defensive end Brian Robison finally got free for the sack. Of the 268 sacks recorded this season, only seven have seen a quarterback hold the ball longer. Usually when a sack happens that long after the snap, it occurs because the quarterback has run around to the point where the play has completely broken down (Josh Johnson held the ball this week for 12 seconds on a play that would have made Fran Tarkenton proud). But Rodgers was just moving around looking for a receiver and struggling to find someone to throw to.

Rodgers was sacked on a rollout pass where linebacker Ben Leber (who had dropped into coverage) came up to make a big hit. Rodgers had 4.3 seconds to throw the ball, which is easily enough time to at least throw the ball away if no one was open. There also was a sack where Rodgers was driven down 3.4 seconds after the snap. And a fifth sack came on a blown play where Rodgers looked to throw a quick stop to a wide receiver, only to find the receiver streaking downfield instead. With the play falling apart, Rodgers simply ate the ball. That may not have been Rodgers' fault, but it wasn't the line's fault either.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/10/08/p...-sack-debacle/

[JUSTWINBABY]

where is Brooks???