[DwightShrute]

you will never get it Bett. Hopeless talking to the far left and kinda sad at the same time actually. You just can't let go of Bush can you. There are people that can help you with your problem. Maybe the government can even pay for your many sessions.

Have a wonderful weekend!

[bettilimbroke999]

I choose to accept something that is widely viewed as a right in developed countries around the world, in the richest country on earth I dont think denying medical care to the bottom 50 million Americans is acceptable, in a capitalist world whether you like it or not some will find themselves at shit jobs on the bottom rung, the neocons believe they are too stupid or too lazy when in reality it probably had more to do with the rung they started on. I simply dont see denying citizens health care just bc they are too poor to afford the ridiculously high costs in this country as reasonable, in fact I dont know a single American citizen that I think should be without health care coverage (who the fuk should be turned away from a doctor when they're sick?) so I feel it should be socialized, making health care a business is like saying its optional like its something ppl have as a luxury and I dont feel that it is, I believe every sick person should be able to consult with a doctor and receive treatment.

Lets win some bets this weekend!

[losturmarbles]

absolute silliness. It's too much free medicine that's responsible for whatever problems exist in Venezuela.
Your only argument is: deny people medicine. And when rational people ask why? You can blame them and list whatever shortcomings you feel make them unworthy.
We get it. We just don't want it.

too much free medicine?

yeah that's my argument, deny people medicine. how perceptive of you. and rational!

so what exactly would you know about being rational? your whole premise is irrational. people arent being denied anything. you live in a thick cloud of ignorance and base your beliefs on what you feel. you feel we live in a world of limited prosperity, where those that are successful are so only because they take advantage of those that arent. (of course this is true in a socialist society)
in capitalism, there is no fixed pie of prosperity. there is no limit on the number of people that can get a slice.

[losturmarbles]

and do compare Venezuela to other Latin American countries who have been "influenced" by US interests for centuries. You'll find they do ok.

yeah please do. you'll notice a little trend that those that have tried to suppress capitalism the most are worse off, than those that have embraced it.

also free medicine isn't free.

[reno cool]

you refuse to learn anything and keep going with the same tired bs.
whatever your view of ideal government free market oriented society is it has nothing to do with the US. or any other nation.

[losturmarbles]

you refuse to learn anything and keep going with the same tired bs.
whatever your view of ideal government free market oriented society is it has nothing to do with the US. or any other nation.

whatever your ideal socialist society is, it has nothing to do with health care. just because i want people to be self responsible and the government to mind it's own fuking business and stop trying to be a nanny to any parasite that will vote for them, i'm somehow the one that's immoral.

[Shafted69]

Since 1999 insurance premiums have gone up 131%. THAT IS THE PROBLEM...Not Quality. You should be paying considerably lesss and will when healthcare reform IS passed. Hopefully a public option is included so that there is more competition to keep the monopolies honest. Competition always benefits the consumers.

The average cost of job-based family health insurance climbed 5 percent to $13,375 in 2009, making this the 10th straight year that health care premiums have increased faster than workers' wages and overall inflation have. Insurance costs have increased 131 percent since 1999, when a year of family coverage cost about $5,791, according to the 2009 Employer Health Benefits Survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation and the Health Research & Educational Trust .

That supercharged growth rate far outpaces the 38 percent increase in wages and 28 percent growth of inflation over the same period.

If this is NOT fixed it wil cost jobs and less people to be covered because companies will no longer be able to insure their employees...and THAT is already happening

[morocca]

a right of luxury or a luxurious right

[BigdaddyQH]

Since 1999 insurance premiums have gone up 131%. THAT IS THE PROBLEM...Not Quality. You should be paying considerably lesss and will when healthcare reform IS passed. Hopefully a public option is included so that there is more competition to keep the monopolies honest. Competition always benefits the consumers.

The average cost of job-based family health insurance climbed 5 percent to $13,375 in 2009, making this the 10th straight year that health care premiums have increased faster than workers' wages and overall inflation have. Insurance costs have increased 131 percent since 1999, when a year of family coverage cost about $5,791, according to the 2009 Employer Health Benefits Survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation and the Health Research & Educational Trust .

That supercharged growth rate far outpaces the 38 percent increase in wages and 28 percent growth of inflation over the same period.

If this is NOT fixed it wil cost jobs and less people to be covered because companies will no longer be able to insure their employees...and THAT is already happening

Anyone who thinks that the average middle class working American Citizen will be paying less for health care is dreaming. Wait until you are taxed to death for your coverage. Wait until your emoplyer lays you off because he can not afford the rediculous tax that the government slapped on big industry. Liberals are too ignorant to be able to determine their wealth by anything other than counting the change they have in their pockets. People like yourself are totally incapable of seeing the big picture. What this does do is give free healthcare to those who will abuse it the most. The illiterate, the lazy, the crack whores, the druggies, and all of the other people that were responsible for putting Obama in office. They will surely prosper, because they get yet another free ride. Why work, if I can live for free, eat for free, and now get my helathcare for free? This is what Obama, and people like him in ths country want to see. Vote for me and I will screw the rich, and the working man. I will screw the people who actually earned their status in this world. I will guarantee your rights even though you are a lazy law breaking crack whore scumbag who will have as many kids as she can to bleed the welfare system dry. That is the Obama way!!

[DwightShrute]

"Obamacare is already hurting the economy since “the S&P 500 companies will take a combined hit of $4.5 billion to first-quarter earnings”

http://plansponsor.com/Companies_Beg...Bill_Bill.aspx

Note that while a Towers Watson update notes that although the change in tax law does not take effect until 2013, employers participating in the program “will be required to recognize the full accounting impact of the 2013 tax law change in the financial statements for the accounting period in which the President signs the legislation into law” (see http://www.towerswatson.com/united-states/research/1424 ).

[Boner_18]

It is not a right, absolutely not a right.

[DwightShrute]

Anyone who thinks that the average middle class working American Citizen will be paying less for health care is dreaming. Wait until you are taxed to death for your coverage. Wait until your emoplyer lays you off because he can not afford the rediculous tax that the government slapped on big industry. Liberals are too ignorant to be able to determine their wealth by anything other than counting the change they have in their pockets. People like yourself are totally incapable of seeing the big picture. What this does do is give free healthcare to those who will abuse it the most. The illiterate, the lazy, the crack whores, the druggies, and all of the other people that were responsible for putting Obama in office. They will surely prosper, because they get yet another free ride. Why work, if I can live for free, eat for free, and now get my helathcare for free? This is what Obama, and people like him in ths country want to see. Vote for me and I will screw the rich, and the working man. I will screw the people who actually earned their status in this world. I will guarantee your rights even though you are a lazy law breaking crack whore scumbag who will have as many kids as she can to bleed the welfare system dry. That is the Obama way!!

This is exactly what Hilter did. Exactly.

[morocca]

Anyone who thinks that the average middle class working American Citizen will be paying less for health care is dreaming.

A) you speak in generalities. you give zero specifics, just "liberals" or "tax to death" or "ignorant"

B) Nothing happens all the time nor does something never happen.

Your little sick twisted mind is clouded because you follow people that live paradoxical & hypothetical lives that create misery & fear when they tell you it will be nirvana.

you are also failing to see the big picture. you shouldn't be jealous of people that
don't exist (as you still have presented zero examples and can only say Obama or MSNBC news when bitch slapped by reality), that say things that have never been said. once again i declare bullshit on your original premise. you have never heard anyone say the things you claim, nor do you know anyone that has.

you should step back and put some time in and effort into why the BUSH cabal would bailout the few people dependent upon corporate welfare while sticking it to the many in the middle class themselves.

you see tard, CONServaturds rob people of their potential. every American born has the opportunity to succeed and be just about whatever he or she wants to be. but having people like BUSH/CHENEY starting needless wars for HALIBURTON & mailing out corporate welfare checks to BIG PHARMA, telling AmeriKKKa Saddam linked to 911/ had WMD's/ Saddam linked to Al Qaida, so don't even question the motives or else you're a traitor, fear mongering. With a NEO-CON in the white house, war is always big business. think of all the mental and physical resources going to waste with War profiteering everyday that benefits the few, and look at how the government grew in scope and size during GW's reign.

this is the part where you make up a story, blame Obama who inherited your mess & cry like a school girl when he tries to clean it up.