[jjgold]

Brock you mother fukker

You buried me here you mother fukka

Pick a winner man its the holidays

[Ralphie1412]

You just cant write this. If I personally TRIED to be as bad as Brock I think I would get lucky more often. Pathetic as all hell.

I saw the halftime score at work and I thought wow Brock might get one. Then I started laughing and said no, Mizzou will get backdoored. When I saw the score I was dying laughing.

Brock go play with your kid quit ruining his future.

[jjgold]

Brock me and you need GA

[southpaw74]

Missouri controlled all but 4 minutes but Illinois caight up enough to get the cover. Illinois is still overrated

[d2bets]

Missouri controlled all but 4 minutes but Illinois caight up enough to get the cover. Illinois is still overrated

Huh? Illinois controlled most of the 2nd half. Mizzou pulled out the W after trailing with just 2 minutes left. The game was within a few points either way from about 8 minutes left and on.

[d2bets]

Missouri controlled all but 4 minutes but Illinois caight up enough to get the cover. Illinois is still overrated

Illinois probably was overrated at 25. They're not a top 25 team. Mizzou also overrated at 9. Not a top 10 team.

[LT Profits]

GLAD I missed out on the -6 now. (although I wasn't when it happened)

[blackeyeshamus]

sad. I actually booked a 9 team parlay ats for 5 bucks to pay 2k...
you're basic duffy lottery pick parlay for the holy f@#k of it, right?
8 wins and 1 loss... motherf@#kin' mizzou -7. sonofabitch! grrrh.

[blackeyeshamus]

101212259-1 12/22/11 11:52am $6.30 $2,115.87 $0.00 Loss 9 Team Parlay
Win 12/22/11 5:00pm College Basketball 541 South Alabama -5 -110* vs San Diego
Win 12/22/11 7:00pm College Basketball 564 Georgetown -5 -110* vs Memphis U
Win 12/22/11 8:30pm College Basketball 580 Iowa -5 -110* vs Boise State
Win 12/22/11 9:00pm College Basketball 583 Air Force +16½ -110* vs Gonzaga
Loss 12/22/11 9:00pm College Basketball 591 Missouri -7 -110* vs Illinois
Win 12/22/11 11:00pm College Basketball 607 Long Beach State -2 -110* vs Xavier
Win 12/22/11 10:30pm College Basketball 617 Baylor -4 -110* vs Saint Mary's CA
Win 12/22/11 7:00pm College Basketball 634 Massachusetts -3 -110* vs Davidson
Win 12/22/11 7:30pm College Basketball 648 San Diego State -16½ -110* vs Elon

[blackeyeshamus]

needless to say, I had a great f@#kin' day...
everytime I hear somebody say, "oh no broke dick landers oh no"
I always shrug and think, "who really gives a flyin' f@#k?"
but seriously. 8 outta 9... that's just plain uncanny/eerie.
whatever's clever, I'm up like... KABOOM! on the day-
so I'm squared away and sh%tting tiffany cufflinks!

[Iwinyourmoney]

Thanks for the fade bud

[testertips]

Illinois totally sucks but you somehow made them them better...............

this

[CollegeOverUnder]

Illinois probably was overrated at 25. They're not a top 25 team. Mizzou also overrated at 9. Not a top 10 team.

wow are you for real man?

Illinois was easily qualified as a top 25 team before tonights loss

Im not really a huge fan of Missouri but if you don't think they are a top 10 I would love to see your top 25 rankings

[LT Profits]

wow are you for real man?

Illinois was easily qualified as a top 25 team before tonights loss

Im not really a huge fan of Missouri but if you don't think they are a top 10 I would love to see your top 25 rankings

I actually agree with dbets regarding Illinois, I think they are overrated also. Like I mentioned, they are only 53rd on kenpom and the volume is at the point where those numbers are now meaningful. I agree with you though regarding Missouri, I think they are Sweet 16 team at worst.

[No coincidences]

It didn't open at 2????

Yes it did.

[YaMotha]

Yes it did.

Hey NoCo where do you find the opening lines?

[LT Profits]

Yes it did.

The REAL opener was -6 though, no sense bringing up openers at a few Vegas books. The only offshore that opens lines that early is BOL and I wouldn't bet there with your money.

[No coincidences]

The REAL opener was -6 though, no sense bringing up openers at a few Vegas books. The only offshore that opens lines that early is BOL and I wouldn't bet there with your money.

So you're saying ignore the fact that it went from -2 to -6 in that period of time? No thanks.

[LT Profits]

So you're saying ignore the fact that it went from -2 to -6 in that period of time? No thanks.

You HAVE to because Vegas has become irrelevant, Pinny/CRIS openers are all that matter IMO.

[LT Profits]

I would add that the line didn't really "go to" -6. Some Vegas shops opened at a weak -2. Offshore opened at a sharp -6, then Vegas copied offshore like it always does. This isn't 1965 any more.

[No coincidences]

You HAVE to because Vegas has become irrelevant, Pinny/CRIS openers are all that matter IMO.

If you followed the line movement from the Glantz-Culver open to the Pinny close, you would have gone 30-20 today (with six pushes or no movement). Books use the G-C open to help determine what they'll open at themselves. To dismiss that is foolish.

[LT Profits]

Meh, means nothing. The sharpest oddsmakers in the world aren't in Vegas any more, that's all I am saying.

[No coincidences]

Meh, means nothing. The sharpest oddsmakers in the world aren't in Vegas any more, that's all I am saying.

So any line movement or change from when G-C publishes its number and Pinny's open is irrelevant? Funny, because almost every time I see a jump of 2 points or more, the original number is typically golden (today it was Baylor opening as a PK, Missouri at -2, San Diego at -3, Bowling Green at -2, Georgetown at -3, Iowa at -3, Utah State at +1, Rice +10 vs. losses in LSU +7 and George Washington -1.5). You're saying this is just a coincidence?

[LT Profits]

Of course that is the perception because the offshore opener is stronger. So naturally, betting into the weaker early Vegas numbers would give you the edge, but nobody has access to those numbers, so again, they are irrelevant. See my point?

[LT Profits]

Meant nobody outside of Vegas has access.

[paco]

Sweetjones55 moved all those lines himself.

[No coincidences]

Of course that is the perception because the offshore opener is stronger. So naturally, betting into the weaker early Vegas numbers would give you the edge, but nobody has access to those numbers, so again, they are irrelevant. See my point?

They may be irrelevant in terms of actually betting them (unless you book at BOL), but I still use them as a reference point. They aren't irrelevant when it comes to that -- trust me. Today wasn't an aberration. The moves from the G-C open to the Pinny close are right much, much more often than not.

[Koldazzice]

Being educated about line movement only makes you better. Its made me better

nocoin understands line movement and what it means. NAWLEGE IS POWA

[LT Profits]

This is like a chicken or the egg kind of thing and you are missing a key point. When Pinny opens, Vegas quickly follows, it is not the other way around. So naturally, the move from the Vegas opener will look golden because that opener was weak to begin with. So what you are saying is correct that the moves are right, but you are missing the reason that is so (Vegas using Pinny to correct its mistakes).

[LT Profits]

Being educated about line movement only makes you better. Its made me better

nocoin understands line movement and what it means. NAWLEGE IS POWA

EVERYTHING I do is based off of Pinny openers, and I've always done well for myself, especially in CBB.

[No coincidences]

This is like a chicken or the egg kind of thing and you are missing a key point. When Pinny opens, Vegas quickly follows, it is not the other way around. So naturally, the move from the Vegas opener will look golden because that opener was weak to begin with. So what you are saying is correct that the moves are right, but you are missing the reason that is so (Vegas using Pinny to correct its mistakes).

But you're assuming Pinny doesn't use G-C in any way, shape or form. I find that hard to believe.

[PAULYPOKER]

Line movement is the most accurate tool in the industry hands down............

[No coincidences]

EVERYTHING I do is based off of Pinny openers, and I've always done well for myself, especially in CBB.

Except that Pinny openers aren't the first lines posted. They sometimes come out hours after G-C.

I'm not saying Pinny copies G-C -- far from it -- but I do think they use their numbers as a reference point.

[LT Profits]

But you're assuming Pinny doesn't use G-C in any way, shape or form. I find that hard to believe.

Maybe minimally, but if Pinny cared that much, they wouldn't open several points off whatever the Vegas line is at the time as often as they do. Again, it seems to me you have it backwards, Vegas cares more what Pinny does than vice versa.

[No coincidences]

Maybe minimally, but if Pinny cared that much, they wouldn't open several points off whatever the Vegas line is at the time as often as they do. Again, it seems to me you have it backwards, Vegas cares more what Pinny does that vice versa.

I just find it hard to believe that someone who is as sharp as you would dismiss the G-C line, which is a power rating formula that's been around for a long time. Why is KenPom more valuable, for instance, than this?