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    Quote Originally Posted by rsnnh12 View Post
    How do you propose we stop companies from leaving?
    Lower the corporate tax rate and get rid of all those stupid government regulations.The corps are taxed and regulated to death and that's why they leave

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAPPY BOY View Post
    poor+ below average I.Q , ultra religious brain washed, you are 100% right fold. Uneducated people are dangerous. they strain our economy. This nation has a bunch of pussy's wah wah..i want my entitlements.. I deserve a good job..wah wah.. GENERATION Pussy.
    Sounds like the idiots at an occupy wall street protest!

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    The playing field has always been even!! The United States of America is the country that has been infiltrated with many races and religion, it's a melting pot. Why? Because in this country, poor tired immigrants came here to start a better life and DID! They started businesses then and they continue to do it today. What is so hard to understand? hard work = success in the majority of cases!

    Why should people collect a check from the government to exisit? How did they EARN this? Can someone answer that question? For those of you that aren't old enough to remember, I will tell you that the country thrived in the 1980's and YES Ronald Reagan was the President. Do yourself a favor and go get educated (meaning read for yourself and learn on your own.) Don't let your teachers, professors, etc. teach you THEIR views on this great nation, take the time and do it yourself!! You will be surprised the things you will learn. You will learn more than a (I want my summers off, that's why I teach) dolt will tell you!

    The playing field is even! It's up to each and every individual to go out and accomplish His/Her dreams and make a life for themselves. Not everyone is cut out for management, investing, attorney, doctor, etc. The world needs ditch diggers too! Welfare is NOT the answer, it's a system that has been an utter failure since it was started and if you know who started it then you know why some people vote the way they vote!

    How's that answer not using your buzz words?

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    Open your eyes! There is hardly a cigarette paper between what Republicans/Democrats actually do when in office, despite the rhetoric.

    When China began to liberalise its economy in the late 80's all of the western nations had to realise that things were going to become a whole lot tougher in terms of staying competitive. This meant that tough (and unpopular) decisions needed to be taken in terms of curbing spending and wages. Because these measures would be unpopular they were never taken, consumption was king for Republican and Democrats alike.

    The combined public sector debt of the US, UK, Germany and France (lets not even talk about the PIGS) stands at USD 24 trillion (you can add another 7 trillion to that when you factor in unfunded pension liabilities). The bottom line is that the position is now totally intractable and no political party can fix it. The argument going on between austerity and stimulating growth is a false dichotomy. The fundamental problem is one of competitiveness versus developing economies where cost bases are much lower and where productivity is accelerating much faster.

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    Pass me a Little Debbie tt cause we're all fukd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HilltopTony View Post
    The playing field is even! It's up to each and every individual to go out and accomplish His/Her dreams and make a life for themselves. Not everyone is cut out for management, investing, attorney, doctor, etc. The world needs ditch diggers too! Welfare is NOT the answer, it's a system that has been an utter failure since it was started and if you know who started it then you know why some people vote the way they vote!

    You seriously can't believe that.

    America is a plutocracy, nothing wrong with that per se, it just is what it is. There will always be the haves and the have-nots and the haves are not giving up the power without a hell of a fight, and they have all the proverbial weapons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inkwell77 View Post

    You seriously can't believe that.

    America is a plutocracy, nothing wrong with that per se, it just is what it is. There will always be the haves and the have-nots and the haves are not giving up the power without a hell of a fight, and they have all the proverbial weapons.
    You are an idiot. Anyone who is smart and works hard can be a "have" as you put it. You are right about having to fight to get power and money, it's called capitalism. Just as cavemen had to fight to catch food, build shelter, you have to do the same.

    It's amazing to me that so many people have this communist/socialist ideas. How much other people value your goods/services is how much you earn. If you have a system where everyone is valued equally no matter what they offer, no one would work hard. It's a pretty simple concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsnnh12 View Post
    The problem with your idea is that you can't force people to help others. It sounds good but is completely impractical in the real world.

    You say the rich only want to get richer... isn't that what everyone wants? To get richer? Why do you fault them for this attitude?

    How do you propose we "make it an even playing field"? Not everyone is equal in their abilities...


    In life there is haves and have nots. not everyone is entitled to get something , especially without having to work to get it. things are not handed to you, you must take them. Capitalisms failure is mans greed.

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    i hear a bunch of kids getting out of college these days talking like they already have jobs making 60 grand a year walking in the door. Its like they life in an alternate reality. these are not guys with advanced degrees. they have degrees in marketing and communications and such. no law degrees, not a cpa. nothing special. they are in for a rude awakening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Mayan View Post
    patriot act.


    Reagen=USA into a debtor nation.
    You mean that Patriot Act that the Democratic Congress and President Obama extended? That Patriot Act?

    Most Americans are so damn dumb these days they think there is an actual difference between Repubs and Dems. There is no difference. They may spend money on different things but the facts are both parties have hand in hand ran up this massive debt and deficit with pork spending for their districts, subsidies, corrupt payments to the industrial military complex, and socialistic welfare programs that have been a huge failure and only increased poverty. And yes both parties have continued this idiotic interventionist foreign policy of the last 60 years of starting wars in tomato can 3rd world countries.

    But hey you morons keep voting for Dems and Repubs and arguing over them while America goes over the cliff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Mayan View Post
    Well you need to check that, we were a creditors nation until Reagan.
    That is an epic fail. You shouldn't talk politics or history because you're just plain dumb.

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    did ron paul do well last night?

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    he looked like a guy with pre alzheimers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice House View Post
    did ron paul do well last night?
    Yes, he won the debate hands down and every poll backs this up.

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    I wish Ron Paul was a decade younger. I fear it is too little too late.

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    come on folks, if it was 90 percent in pauls favor he wouldnt get the nomination

    You do know ron paul hasn't offered 1 single solution to any of the problems. He only states what's wrong. He's like we need to do this and need to do that and then people clap but he won't say how he would do it and in fact has no answers on it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Bogey View Post
    You are an idiot. Anyone who is smart and works hard can be a "have" as you put it. You are right about having to fight to get power and money, it's called capitalism. Just as cavemen had to fight to catch food, build shelter, you have to do the same.

    It's amazing to me that so many people have this communist/socialist ideas. How much other people value your goods/services is how much you earn. If you have a system where everyone is valued equally no matter what they offer, no one would work hard. It's a pretty simple concept.

    You "work for it" folk are so narrow. You know that not everyone can just be "smart," right? There are many steps to becoming "smart." A 6 year old kid growing up in a crazy ass environment with jaded as fuk unemployed parents in a terrible school system with all kinds of crazy outside influences just can't all the sudden be "smart."
    We live in a society and in this society there are very different ways of life because of various societal factors. To just say the word "capitalism" and imply that anyone can just become smart and work hard is idiotic. think

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    Warrior you've obviously never read any of his books or followed him for years. Just because the media doesn't give him time to layout his plans before the camera rolls back to catch the next Perry vs Romney back and forth, doesn't mean he has no solutions.

    Go to Half.com and spend $20 bucks to get 3 or 4 of his best works and do your due diligence

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsnnh12 View Post
    The problem with your idea is that you can't force people to help others. It sounds good but is completely impractical in the real world.

    You say the rich only want to get richer... isn't that what everyone wants? To get richer? Why do you fault them for this attitude?

    How do you propose we "make it an even playing field"? Not everyone is equal in their abilities...
    I am tired of this slogan the rich get richer. Everyone has the opptunities in life, to change their life and to work their ass off to get rich. The problem is, people don't want to. They want everything handed to them, they complain the rich get richer, but don't do anything to improve their life dramatically but bitch at the government, HANDS OFF MY SOCIAL SECURITY.

    Fact is, the majority of millionaires are first generation. They worked hard, many of them are business owners, inventors, its not impossible. But you can't bitch about the situation you are in life. You have to just take it and do it, to change your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jarvol View Post
    That is an epic fail. You shouldn't talk politics or history because you're just plain dumb.
    Jarvol go scream at your parents picture... Next time come in and prove me wrong you fukkface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andywend View Post
    TTWarrior, you're a die-hard democrat but are too ashamed to admit it and I can't blame you for that. Regardless of what you say, we both know you will vote for Obama in 2012.

    Both political parties have their flaws and the vast majority of people who vote straight along party lines do so due to their strong opposition to the other party. Ask any liberal democrat what they think of republicans and what conservatives think of democrats? Therefore, wanting an answer about why anyone would vote republican and then saying you can't use the terms Obama, liberal or democrat makes your question pointless.

    King Mayan, were you even alive during the Carter administration? You spout B.S. about Reagan when you have absolutely no idea how bad a hand he inherited from Carter and a congress controlled by democrats. Unlike your hero Obama, Reagan fixed the mess he inherited instead of making it worse as our current president has done.

    Reagan won 49 out of 50 states when he ran for re-election and your God Obama is an underdog to win re-election. All of our country's greatest presidents share a similar story as they all took the reins of the U.S. during terrible times and turned our country around. Obama could have wound up in the history books as the greatest president of all time but he will go down as one of the worst (though he has a long ways to go to catch FDR who was by far and away the WORST president in the history of the country).100% correct.

    IIfold/Statnerds/rsnnh, great posts from all of you.
    I love how hicks always blame Carter.. The simple fact is reagan put us into debt.

    FDR= longest term president=Americas best years in front of it.

    Reagan comes in= debt after debt.

    Why is it that in the last two depressions there was always a republican president in office?? and the hicks always blame the democrat(FDR, Obama) trying to fix it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttwarrior1 View Post
    read above, answer without using the word democrat

    I can agree with that, ,but still what has any republican done. clinton blows the last 2 presidents away. I might have to reelect obama and hope things are force fixed
    It's sad when the President who fueled the housing market crash is considered to be the best of recent history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Mayan View Post
    Jarvol go scream at your parents picture... Next time come in and prove me wrong you fukkface.
    You mean like I did, which you conveniently ignored?



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    Both parties are bullshit and so are the sheep that blindly follow "their party" no matter what at all costs......Our country will continue to get worse as long as this retarded 2 party system continues......Everyone is all about putting down and making up lies about the rival party and going back and forth about dumb and fukkin meaningless shit and no one is actually in this thing for the best interest of the country.

    Fukk em both.....I'll actually listen when a politician and his party are in this thing 100% to better our country and not for personal gains and/or to stick it to the other party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsnnh12 View Post
    You mean like I did, which you conveniently ignored?


    What?? You showed a graph that clearly shows the 80's we spent like crazy.

    I found that graph here and look what it says next to that graph:
    http://whpsocal.blogspot.com/2005_08_01_archive.html
    Last edited by King Mayan; 10-19-11 at 03:54 PM.

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    well for some reason when a republican is president there is a democrat congress and vice versa for part of their run

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    Pretty amazing how politics has become like sports now for many. Doesn't matter how shitty your team performs or behaves...at least it's not the other guy winning right?

    Check out the Repeal of Glass-Steagal. Look into guys like Chris Dodd and his relationship with Angelo Mozilo. Mozilo essentially BILKED 470 million, yet paid a 67 million fine (20 of which was covered by Countrywide). Not too shabby.

    Want deregulation? Check out how deregulation worked for California when Enron (which was blessed by wall street, bond agencies, Lehman Bros etc) took power deregulation for a spin.

    You think guys like Chris Dodd or Phil Gramm became super rich because they worked hard? They worked hard to write the rules so that they could legally steal and not go to jail.

    Watch "Inside Job" (which slams both parties - so I'm sorry if you wear a Dem or Repub jersey and get offended that it's not just one side that's ******* you).

    There might be no real difference between Dem/Repub outside of some social stuff ("family values" / gay marriage / drug laws etc), but there's a MONSTER difference between how the law treats rich vs. poor or even middle class.

    Need one last example? The Mortgage Bankers Association appeared countless times across the networks (CNBC weekly) shaming people into staying with mortgages they couldn't afford. "Would our parents...the greatest generation, just walk away from their obligations?"

    Yeah...The Mortgage Bankers Association walked away from their own mortgage while shaming Joe Public into staying in his.

    People make it sound like there is one side versus another. The truth is, one side complains about 20 billion lost in Iraq, and one side complains about 20 billion lost to welfare.

    Meanwhile, a 3rd side, encourages never ending war while doing the contract rebuilding in Iraq at cost-plus guaranteed profit, and back home builds private prisons while lobbying to make more minor offenses jailable.
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    would give u ten k pts for that post muldoon if i had it

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttwarrior1 View Post
    well for some reason when a republican is president there is a democrat congress and vice versa for part of their run
    That and the Fed pumping a lot of money into the economy, which creates the bubble that will always pop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inkwell77 View Post

    You "work for it" folk are so narrow. You know that not everyone can just be "smart," right? There are many steps to becoming "smart." A 6 year old kid growing up in a crazy ass environment with jaded as fuk unemployed parents in a terrible school system with all kinds of crazy outside influences just can't all the sudden be "smart."
    We live in a society and in this society there are very different ways of life because of various societal factors. To just say the word "capitalism" and imply that anyone can just become smart and work hard is idiotic. think

    INKWELL, What makes this country great is that you don't have to be smart to own a business, make money and get by. I know guys who don't have book smarts, hell they had to burn down the schools to get them out of the 5th grade, but they are successful at the business they own today. Yes, you read that right. One guy didn't make it out of the 5th grade and runs a succesful restaurant, a successful upscale bar, and also has a limo service. Do you know why he is successful? Because he worked his ass off, and didn't cry about not having an education! You are the one who WON'T think when it comes to this issue. Think Ink Think!!! Don't turn on the TV and listen to what the mainstream media pushes down your throat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HilltopTony View Post
    INKWELL, What makes this country great is that you don't have to be smart to own a business, make money and get by. I know guys who don't have book smarts, hell they had to burn down the schools to get them out of the 5th grade, but they are successful at the business they own today. Yes, you read that right. One guy didn't make it out of the 5th grade and runs a succesful restaurant, a successful upscale bar, and also has a limo service. Do you know why he is successful? Because he worked his ass off, and didn't cry about not having an education! You are the one who WON'T think when it comes to this issue. Think Ink Think!!! Don't turn on the TV and listen to what the mainstream media pushes down your throat!
    some of the best local place to eat around are owned by guys who use to be servers and bartenders at AppleBee's or Chili's etc for years....learned the food service ins and outs and took a shot with their own ideas. Same goes for most successful owners....ask around and you'll see they were entry level...worked up through management from effort and said "hey I can do this either as my own place OR I can improve the business model where this one is lacking and startup on that idea"
    If the will and effort is there....the opportunity is for anybody, regardless of education, background, or skin color or whatever EXCUSE people like to shove out there as a reason they are where they are today.

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    Yep, god damn 14 million unemployed, at no fault of their own, greedy, freeloading fck'n liberal
    Democrats, ALL of 'em. Go get a job you lazy bastards. Pay off your mortgage and feed your kids on NOTHING! Go get re-educated, which costs nothing and guaranteed a new high paid job, you worthless pieces of crap!

    Go to wall st., protest, shit in the street. Pay off that student loan with an invisible job, hippie.

    Whoops, you paid too much for that house that lost 50% of it's value? TFB! Live with it, scab!

    Shit, you lost over 1/2 of your 401k due to the govt playing bi-partisan games? Get over it
    moron, it's only money, just work til you die, freak.

    SS and Medicare? What's that? You should've saved more in your 401k, dick.

    Heath insurance? You should've saved more in your 401k again, you POS.

    Did you live with mommy and daddy while saving ALL this money, you should have!

    Here's your SBR Trivia question for 1000 pts: What party would say these kinds of things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkelly110 View Post
    Yep, god damn 14 million unemployed, at no fault of their own, greedy, freeloading fck'n liberal
    Democrats, ALL of 'em. Go get a job you lazy bastards. Pay off your mortgage and feed your kids on NOTHING! Go get re-educated, which costs nothing and guaranteed a new high paid job, you worthless pieces of crap!

    Go to wall st., protest, shit in the street. Pay off that student loan with an invisible job, hippie.

    Whoops, you paid too much for that house that lost 50% of it's value? TFB! Live with it, scab!

    Shit, you lost over 1/2 of your 401k due to the govt playing bi-partisan games? Get over it
    moron, it's only money, just work til you die, freak.

    SS and Medicare? What's that? You should've saved more in your 401k, dick.

    Heath insurance? You should've saved more in your 401k again, you POS.

    Did you live with mommy and daddy while saving ALL this money, you should have!

    Here's your SBR Trivia question for 1000 pts: What party would say these kinds of things?
    Spot on. People's actions and choices in life have consequences.

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    End the prohibition of drugs, prostitution, gambling. The government spent $15 billion dollars on "The war on Drugs" in 2010. (This figure does not include the cost of the thousands of people in jail for small time drug convictions.)

    De-regulate business, and lower corporate tax, and give business a reason to manufacture in the USA. Every one who wants a job would have one.

    This would just be a start, but it would go along way in fixing the damage that has been done to the USA, over the last 25 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jarvol View Post
    Spot on. People's actions and choices in life have consequences.
    He was being sarcastic you nimrod.

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