1. 09-09-11 07:22 AM #106
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlunc3 View Post
    Every stat the pitcher can control.. basically anythin but win totals. Other then win total, what stat does Kennedy have over any of the phills three or kershaw??
    Does anyone have an answer to this? I'm just wondering, bc I don't see how a guy that is 5th in every stats but wins (the only one he doesn't control), even has a remote chance to win this award?
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  2. 09-09-11 08:14 AM #107
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    What categories did Brandon Webb dominate in 2006?
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  3. 09-09-11 08:29 AM #108
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    Any of the Phillies big 3 deserve it, but who wins it is a different question
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  4. 09-09-11 08:39 AM #109
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    What categories did Brandon Webb dominate in 2006?
    In 2006 there weren't 4 other pitchers with 2.6 or lower eras and guys with sub 1.0 whips... Even still, Webb had 5 complete games to his credit.. I'm not saying that kennedy hasn't been great, but what has he done better then those other 4 other then benefit from the divison he plays in along with timely run support that not all of the 5 canidates have recieved? Looking at the 5 from a pure pitching aspect, I do not see even one reason to put him anywhere near the top. If you do, please let me know, I would love to hear it.
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  5. 09-09-11 08:50 AM #110
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    Lee will win it if he gets to 20 wins
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  6. 09-09-11 08:57 AM #111
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mammon View Post
    Lee will win it if he gets to 20 wins
    Will he even have enough starts to get to 20?
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  7. 09-09-11 10:45 AM #112
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    My vote still goes to Kershaw, more so if he schools Timmy tonight.
    I like Kennedy, a lot, loved him as a Yank, I'm more or less playing devils advocate, but Kershaw is the best starting pitcher IMO this season.

    p.s. Carp got screwed in 2006
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    cliff lee. kershaw screwed me bad vs. the diamondbacks in july.
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  9. 09-09-11 10:49 AM #114
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    Quote Originally Posted by letsgo View Post
    Will he even have enough starts to get to 20?
    4 starts for sure, what Manuel does the last weekend of the season to set up the playoff rotation will determine if Lee gets a 5th start

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/schedule...lphia-phillies
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  10. 09-09-11 11:39 AM #115
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    lol, halladay, ainec

    plz jump off a bridge if you think anything else
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    My vote still goes to Kershaw, more so if he schools Timmy tonight.
    I like Kennedy, a lot, loved him as a Yank, I'm more or less playing devils advocate, but Kershaw is the best starting pitcher IMO this season.

    p.s. Carp got screwed in 2006
    Agreed 100%.. I wouldnt disagree one bit if it went to kershaw if the voting ended today. This last month will determine a lot.. as I feel it is a very close race. Luckily for kershaw he gets all those nl west teams on deck starting with sf tonight!
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    kennedy out of the race
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    ^
    Not out of the race, he would have been out of the race if he shit the bed last night, but he was brilliant last night.

    Kennedy is a dark horse that's in the race.

    4 starts + each for all the big boys, if Timmy schools Kershaw tonight, and Kershaw gets rocked, Kennedy inches closer.

    For Kennedy to win Cy Young, he needs to run the table with four solid wins, this would make him 23-4, the other candidates falter some with mediocre starts, well, there would be a lot of voters that would vote for a 23-4 pitcher with a 2 1/2 earned run average.

    Long shot, but Kennedy is still in it.
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    Yea he's no doubt in it still.. a few more starts vs sf and sd.. he might have a decent shot.. same with kershaw. In all honesty in might be tough for a phillie to win it even tho at this pt they might be the favorite.. you can already pencil in 8 innings of 1 run baseball tonight vs sf for kershaw... Doc needs to do the same in milw vs the brewcrew..
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    Clear frontrunner IMO is Clayton Kershaw. 2nd most in NL in W's, 1st in ERA, 1st in K's, 2nd in WHIP. Plays on the worst team of all the Cy candidates.

    Clayton Kershaw: 18-5 W-L 2.36 ERA 231 K 1.00 WHIP

    Ian Kennedy: 19-4 W-L 2.90 ERA 178 K 1.11 WHIP

    Cliff Lee: 16-7 W-L 2.47 ERA 204 K 1.03 WHIP

    Roy Halladay: 17-5 W-L 2.44 ERA 204 K 1.05 WHIP
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisado View Post
    Clear frontrunner IMO is Clayton Kershaw. 2nd most in NL in W's, 1st in ERA, 1st in K's, 2nd in WHIP. Plays on the worst team of all the Cy candidates.

    Clayton Kershaw: 18-5 W-L 2.36 ERA 231 K 1.00 WHIP

    Ian Kennedy: 19-4 W-L 2.90 ERA 178 K 1.11 WHIP

    Cliff Lee: 16-7 W-L 2.47 ERA 204 K 1.03 WHIP

    Roy Halladay: 17-5 W-L 2.44 ERA 204 K 1.05 WHIP

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~
    4 Deserving pitchers listed here.
    At this point in the season I would have
    to agree that Kershaw gets the nod.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisado View Post
    Clear frontrunner IMO is Clayton Kershaw. 2nd most in NL in W's, 1st in ERA, 1st in K's, 2nd in WHIP. Plays on the worst team of all the Cy candidates.

    Clayton Kershaw: 18-5 W-L 2.36 ERA 231 K 1.00 WHIP

    Ian Kennedy: 19-4 W-L 2.90 ERA 178 K 1.11 WHIP

    Cliff Lee: 16-7 W-L 2.47 ERA 204 K 1.03 WHIP

    Roy Halladay: 17-5 W-L 2.44 ERA 204 K 1.05 WHIP
    Why was hamels left off the list?
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  18. 09-10-11 05:08 AM #123
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    Do you huge think I could throw one run ball games vs the giants and padres too?
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    Kennedy has ZERO chance to win the award, it will come down to Lee and Kershaw, nobody else has a realistic chance. I love Halladay, but Lee is simply having the best year of all the Philly pitchers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlunc3 View Post
    Why was hamels left off the list?
    Because he has only been the third best pitcher on his own team. Hurts to have a staff full of studs, Hamels would be a candidate in most years.
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  21. 09-10-11 04:17 PM #126
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    Ian Kennedy is more than worthy of some serious consideration. He and the rest of that staff are the reason Zona is where it is. That lineup is Upton and no one.

    If the Philly staff splits the vote Kershaw or Kennedy could sneak in.
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    There is a difference between meriting consideration and having a chance to win. Kennedy is having a phenomenal season, and I don't think anyone is disputing that. I just see no way the writers give him more votes than Kershaw or Lee or even Halladay.
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    kershaw no doubt and i hate the dodgers
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    Quote Originally Posted by moses millsap View Post
    kershaw no doubt and i hate the dodgers
    I thought that earlier until Lee's current stretch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Profits View Post
    Kennedy has ZERO chance to win the award, it will come down to Lee and Kershaw, nobody else has a realistic chance. I love Halladay, but Lee is simply having the best year of all the Philly pitchers.
    If Kennedy runs the table, finishes at 23-4, he has a shot.
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    These awards are also popularity contests. For that reason, Halladay will win it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    If Kennedy runs the table, finishes at 23-4, he has a shot.
    I'll buy that because he'd probably need an era under 2.6

    but he won't
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    Lee gets the hamels treatment and doesnt get the win throwing a 2 run game vs the brewers.. only 2 times has Kershaw gone more then 6 this season while giving up 3 or less and not gotten the win... Hamels is at 11! crazy how much this award factors wins in so much... oh well, it is what it is. Im glad kershaw is actually a stud... if he wins, he has the stuff to deserve it..
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  29. 09-11-11 12:21 AM #134
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    king felix won the cy young last year with a 13-12 record.

    kershaw will win this award because he leads in era, k's, ip, and is 2nd in whip to hamels, who doesn't have a chance.

    edit: lincecum has a better chance than kennedy.
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    wow, is this even still a question?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlunc3 View Post
    wow, is this even still a question?
    sure is -- Lee, Halladay and Kershaw are neck and neck -- the last round of starts went to Kershaw, This round Halladay set a high bar for Kershaw tonight and Lee tomorrow.
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    No decision hurts Lee big time. Kershaw might have the upper hand right now followed by Halladay and Lee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlunc3 View Post
    Lee gets the hamels treatment and doesnt get the win throwing a 2 run game vs the brewers.. only 2 times has Kershaw gone more then 6 this season while giving up 3 or less and not gotten the win... Hamels is at 11! crazy how much this award factors wins in so much... oh well, it is what it is. Im glad kershaw is actually a stud... if he wins, he has the stuff to deserve it..
    yet again... brutal..

    1 run complete game is still pretty damn good... but they will prob look at wins when the race is this close..
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    Quote Originally Posted by t-wizzle View Post
    No decision hurts Lee big time. Kershaw might have the upper hand right now followed by Halladay and Lee.
    Its very close..I think docs complete game shut out yest. over kershaws 5 shut out innings may give him the slight edge.. but def not over yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlunc3 View Post
    Its very close..I think docs complete game shut out yest. over kershaws 5 shut out innings may give him the slight edge.. but def not over yet
    When it comes time for the Cy Young, voters are not going to look back and say "oh remember on september 14 when kershaw only threw 5 shutout innings (after being ejected) and halladay threw a shutout" .... seriously bro be objective. Don't let your philly bias get in the way. As much as I want Lee or Halladay to win, I think Kershaw has an edge right now.
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