[LegitBet]

Wait a minute. I recall reading the three criterion for gambling. Prize, consideration and chance. Absent any one of these, all is lawful.
Since points cost members no money, there is no consideration!
Fukking drunk F. Lee Baily here :-)

[chachi]

Non-us here, have the following options betjamaica/legends/betonline 50-250 cash, sportbet/betjamaica 50-250 freeplay, that's it.

Those are the ones I see as well. But give them some time - they'll be doing the best they can to get more options available, I'm sure. At least for today, it's a start.

Not remotely close to the US either, see nothing of the sort

[shari91]

Not remotely close to the US either, see nothing of the sort

At the top of this screen, under SBR Store, use the dropdown box. When you click on cash or freeplays you don't see them there?

[chachi]

I now notice them in the dropdown but not in the shop as categories ( didnt look at the dropdown I just always click the main store link and then hunt around )

Oh wow ... Pinnacle and SBOBet as well?

[chachi]

sorry that was mean, just realised its the 1st of June, not April

[shari91]

sorry that was mean, just realised its the 1st of June, not April

You got me - I went and checked to see if someone was working all night and added them within the past hour or so. Sneaky chachi

[sinmiedo]

The SBR point system will be fine no matter what happens with free plays for US players. If we can not give free play awards we will give gift cards and other pre paid type ************ along with all the other merchandise.

will that include **********

[ArunSh]

Well as disappointed as I am that long term earning points isn't going to be nearly as worthwhile, thanks to SBR for processing the most recent orders so quickly. Only can hope that eventually things turn around!

[chachi]

You got me - I went and checked to see if someone was working all night and added them within the past hour or so. Sneaky chachi

Pinny will be nice if they manage it ... SBO or Dafa would be a dream come true

[count da money]

i do not see why it would be illegal we don't pay for the points

[rask7rask7]

From USA, lost all my points on Dallas.
Useless!

[chachi]

You got me - I went and checked to see if someone was working all night and added them within the past hour or so. Sneaky chachi

[sinmiedo]

In the meantime I will ask Sam to make more gift cards available like pre paid Mastercards and such. As most know we stopped allowing points transfers in the Service Plays forum because of lawsuits from scum...errr, touts,(my apologies) whom claim players are in essence buying the picks from SBR.

The points program is a very simple concept but it also can be twisted to make it look like something it is not.

Thank you SBR for the possiblity of geting such possibility of the giftcards fro Mastercad

[bruceBRUCEbruce]

Really ... interesting if so even though SBR obviously for accounting sets a value on the pool ... hmmm

inconsequential.

because SBRs fulfillment team operate out of the USA and UIGEA makes it illegal to perform a financial transaction for benefit of a US resident with regards to online gambling.

incorrect, again again. you are spreading misinformation.

[chachi]

What that they operate out of the US ?

I've PMd you to avoid continued back-n-forth

[Gio21]

What that they operate out of the US ?

I've PMd you to avoid continued back-n-forth

Costa Rica man!

[Carseller4]

What is taking these "lawyers" so long?

Update please.

[chachi]

Costa Rica man!

SBR is in Costa Rica yes, but the items I've gotten from the store were handled/fulfilled from TX

And brucebrucebruce I did PM you with my thoughts and understanding of things, it was a legitimate attempt to continue the discussion and allow you to enlighten me where I was misreading things, but you chose to ignore it apparently.

[teaserpleaser]

SBR is in Costa Rica yes, but the items I've gotten from the store were handled/fulfilled from TX

Sam lives in Texas has Texas phone number as well. (210) area code

[chachi]

I just want the hooded sweatshirt to come back in stock in a XXL ... been waiting since before chrimbo

[Gio21]

SBR is in Costa Rica yes, but the items I've gotten from the store were handled/fulfilled from TX

And brucebrucebruce I did PM you with my thoughts and understanding of things, it was a legitimate attempt to continue the discussion and allow you to enlighten me where I was misreading things, but you chose to ignore it apparently.

Yes the items are shipped from texas

[bruceBRUCEbruce]

And brucebrucebruce I did PM you with my thoughts and understanding of things, it was a legitimate attempt to continue the discussion and allow you to enlighten me where I was misreading things, but you chose to ignore it apparently.

[kidk]

LOOKS like its time for a PS3

[chachi]

You did finally respond, and I responded back, and now realise that you were being a smartass with the above post calling me a liar, so for the benefit of the rest of you, here is the PM I sent, word for word unedited.

Firstly,

I'm not and was not trying to be an ass. If I am genuinely confused, I would like to know how/why ...

Perhaps I am being overly pedantic, but it strikes me that the wording in Section 5362/5363 are sufficiently broad and all-encompassing in a few spots so as to cover just about anything the DoJ wishes to argue that it does.

(1) the definition of a bet or wager ...

A. "means the staking or risking by any person of something of value upon the outcome of a contest of others, a sporting event, or a game subject to chance, upon an agreement or understanding that the person or another person will receive something of value in the event of a certain outcome; "

I fail to see how one could argue that "a point" is not something of value.

viii(II) kills off betting points being excluded as it specifically states game or contest

ix(III)(aa) puts paid to any attempt to call points gambling permitted fantasy games

Arguably 5362 could read that allowing a points casino/sportsbook is in breach.

5363's wording go on to allow them to designate anything they wish to be a financial transaction to be susceptible to these regulations, so if 5362 reading above were to hold up then SBR would be considered in the business of booking bets and being in breach due to the need to transfer points to or from your sportsbook account prior to placing a wager.

Explain how I am a liar ? I PM'd you my thoughts, asking to be corrected/shown the error of my ways, end of story.

Know what, forget it, not interested in your opinion. It's not been argued / ruled upon in court so your opinion is no more valid than mine and carries zero weight.

[benjamincarm]

Wait a minute. I recall reading the three criterion for gambling. Prize, consideration and chance. Absent any one of these, all is lawful.
Since points cost members no money, there is no consideration!
Fukking drunk F. Lee Baily here :-)

Does make sense.

[chachi]

legitbet/benjamin - problem is one does not have to necessarily pay for something for it to be considered 'something of value'

[The Bet Master]

Any news on when the gift cards might be added?

[Czu81]

They really phucked you big time Pros

???? u are missing a lot man..

[djefferis]

hope this is resolved soon

[SoV]

Not a US citizen but live there for majority of the year. Abroad right now. Can I buy a freeplay?

[slatter]

Damn, that's a huge bummer.