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    If anything VEGAS has been 2nd rate for a while now when compared to the offshore Giants
    Get yourself a line service and you'll realize how ignorant your last statement is. Places like the Palms in Vegas have gone to -107 and they had Wash +6 while the whole offshore world was at 5 or 5.5.
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    LOL Raiders listen ive been posting on 3 forums for the past 2 weeks. You can add up my tallys to see how ive done. If not then so be it as well. I will stand by my first and original post where i never claimed to be a PRO. BUT yes i did state that i have made a decent lifestyle for family and myself via sports betting the past 6 years. I cannot help the fact that you cannot comprehend the difference. Im not a tout and dont need to be. I dont need to live in VEGAS either. Bad place for young children to grow up.

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    I said for the past 6 years now I have a made a very decent lifestyle for my family and I Sports Betting.

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    Value Bets- You've been on the forums for three weeks. No wonder why you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.

    I've been posting 4 years and I've been tracked at the RX where I've finished 2nd overall in baseball, 1st overall in NCAA football and had a 53-29 record in the NFL and you want to judge me over 3 weeks.

    Now I understand. All the newbies claim to be pro's. It goes with the territory.

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    Vegas is dead my friend. Nobody touches Pinnacle, Delmar. You need to stop watching the market movement and get back to basics. Ya know probabilities, expectations, power ratings and overlay %. Hey you may know your shit and you may not. I could care less to be honest. Just stop with the all high and mighty ignorant statements. Unless of course your heads oddsmaker at Delmar, or Pinnacle.

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    All i care about is profit. 1st 2nd 3rd whatever floats for you. Cheers on them finishes. Excellent job.

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    Bad place for young children to grow up.
    Have you ever been to Vegas or do you just read about everything. Henderson is a town right next to Vegas which is 10 minutes from the strip and is very nice.

    All you do is regurgitate what you read such as the I play 1% to 2% of my bankroll blah blah blah. That's written in gambling book 101.

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    Are you playing at DelMar?

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    Vegas is dead my friend.
    You know what I just figured out. You have never played at DelMar and have probably never been to Vegas. You have no idea what you are talking about do you?

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    Are you still playing at PlaytheScore.com? or whatever shit book its called? And yes have been to Las Vegas a few times. Henderson very nice area, great property tax.

    So what was your record in CFB this past weekend if it was not 6-15?

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    You just mentioned Delmar. Do you play there or are you just BSing again?

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    No i do not play at Delmar. Why would one looking to shop the best possible line available play there. At Pinnacle Sports you can at least most times get the best number on either side. Line shopping only helps when picking winners Sir. You may want to try and find another hobby. Fishing, Dog Grooming, anything i dont care.

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    Why are you avoidng the questions ive asked you?

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    I was 7-14 Saturday. You know nothing about betting. The public won big time Saturday.

    Why did you even bring Delmar up. DellMar is a credit shop so what good would it do you. DelMar has the most respected lines in the world.

    Do you have a line service or do you just guess and make things up as you go?

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    I undestand Delmar is credit. If you thoroughly read my first post you would see where i say CASH is KING. I dont need to play on credit.

    Do you still play at PlaytheScore.com?


    Ok ok i see wher your going with this line service thing. Unless your a DB subscriber your an amateur. LOL Well yes in the past i did use DB's premium line service. But now I use program models and power ratings to help me get my expectations and overlays. I dont have time to sit in front of a screen all day watching the market. BUT if you want to play on movement alone say in MLB tonite. Let me know and we can make a wager of say $500 winner takes all. I have neteller readily available do you?

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    I'm not going to trust a guy like you on credit. If you want to post up something we can make a bet later.

    NO pro goes without a line service. Just as I thought, you're another wannabe.

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    Well im willing to transfer my $500 to any MODERATOR here $500 via Neteller. And we'll go a week in MLB playing on movement alone. If i lose ill pay you $750 If I win all i want is $500.

    And please please stop with the intelectually challenged, ignorant comments. I can name more european friends that wager more in a week the you do in a year. That dont use your line service.

    Do you still play at or shill for Plathescore.com? Solid solid out from what i read. Anyway for me to get in their I heard you were the man to talk to about getting set up their with a real nice sign up bonus.

    Give it a rest and pay off your DEBTS. Talk about wannabes my goodness. LOL
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    Lets not fight boys

    Some great material in here though

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    Value Bets- You're a clown. Your friends bet bigger money than I do. My Dad can beat up your Dad. How old are you anyways?

    Are you another one of these bonus whore scalper types? Not that I have anything against Denmark but I presume that you are from Denmark.

    The only thing that confuses me is that you aren't playing at Mansion. Are you from the UK or Denmark?

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    I'm loving your work, Value Bets.

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    And we'll go a week in MLB playing on movement alone
    Dumbass- You don't get it. I know what side I want. I watch line movement to get a line that I want similar to the stock market.

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    I would not transfer to a mod but transfer to Pinnacle where money is safe.

    A mod might walk with the Dime

    who really knows as we do not know them

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    Raiders, please no name calling. Dumbass, clown, ect.

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    OK boss

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    Appreciated. Both of you have some interesting points and I've enjoyed the thread.

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    Agreed. This is the most entertaining and informative thread I've seen here in some time.

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    Sorry for the tirade SBR. Cannot tolerate this ignorant pro succesful punter anymore. Italian blood rising.

    No more comments from me. If ya wanna go $500 let me know and ill make the transfer to a separate Pinnnacle Sports account immediately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Value Bets
    I'll give you 2/1 odds...
    I'll take those 2/1 odds in half a heartbeat, VB.

    Hell, at 2/1 odds, I'd even let you make my picks for me.

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    Raiders and Value Bets made great posts

    Good work and these guys no there stuff

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    Value Bets- You want to give me 2-1. I'll put up 5 dimes to your 10 dimes. We'll go head to head baseball picks for one week. One of the site owners can hold the money. Now put up or shut up.

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    No I would have to veto that bet if I could... I would want a chance to personally talk to value bets by phone before something that unfair was reached. I wouldn't normally jump into a personal bet thread(sorry raiders) but this one breaches good faith imo.

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    Really?

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