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    I Would Say 90% Loss Rollover Money

    Well about 95% of sports bettors lose long term so a reasonable number of players losing rollover money is approx 90%.

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    Son, why did you start a new thread to make this point?

    Son, have you got any evidence to back you your statistics or have you simply made them up?

    Son, you obviously don't understand the statistics behind bonuses. I'd advise you to leave them to people who do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold
    Well about 95% of sports bettors lose long term so a reasonable number of players losing rollover money is approx 90%.
    Thanks for that. Appreciate your posting it.

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    So taxy your saying more than 5% win betting sports long term??

    Your welcome Natroski

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold
    So taxy your saying more than 5% win betting sports long term??
    I'm not saying anything. I'm just wondering if there is any empirical evidence to back up your percentages or whether you have just made them up

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    Taxy if your fairly experienced like I think you are you know my numbers are pretty accurate give or take a few percentage points.

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    Dont knock JJ! The more JJgold preaches about how everyone loses the better I am feeling I am about myself and my own existance. I think I might call my father, Have talked to him since he caught me with the magazines. Thanks JJ.

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    JJ and Raiders should get a "the Preacher" avatar, good thing i dont like the church :-P

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    Terris- Are you another self proclaimed ?

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    Skippy's numbers are good again. 95% of the gamblers are in Terris' class. These guys should never play on credit.

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    I am one of top 10 authorities worldwide on sports betting on forums
    I do not think you should question me

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold
    I am one of top 10 authorities worldwide on sports betting on forums
    I do not think you should question me
    shit

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    one of the top 10 clowns WORLDWIDE on forums?
    Hey...congrats mate, i wish i was like you

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    Terris bang the Cowboys tonight in the 1st half -3

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    Skippy- Thanks for the play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold
    Well about 95% of sports bettors lose long term so a reasonable number of players losing rollover money is approx 90%.
    I thought you were all freaked out and confused by bonuses jj. You've just given a great reason for people to take all the bonuses they can get their hands on. If people are losing long-term with their picks - but they have their heart set on betting - they might as well get the extra free bets that bonus money provides.

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    Good Point Big Cat

    Its all about opinions here

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    Mudcat- I agree. Guys like taxoman and terris should take the bonuses so that they can play longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terris
    one of the top 10 clowns WORLDWIDE on forums?
    Hey...congrats mate, i wish i was like you
    What's with all the negative posts about jj? Not that i care, I'm just curious.

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    cause hes asking for it, and spam sucks

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    Not negative posts, all I am doing is pointing out facts which some do not want to hear because right here they fit into that category

    Most guys lose here

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    What's with all the negative posts about jj?
    Illusion- I'm very surprised by this too. Skippy is a fountain of gambling knowledge.

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    Ouch, for someone who thinks he knows his stuff. How could you possibly go 6-15 in College Football this past weekend?

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    Who's gone 6-15? Is there a worse bettor here than The Prick?

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    What is so negative about stating 90% lose rollover money??

    Very accurate statement. I worked in CR for a while and know

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    JJJGold I agree with your statement. I actually thinks its more like 93% - 96% that lose rollover and their homes and life savings. I do not consider myself a pro by any means. But whoever it was that said PROS only play on credit is either ignorant or intelectually challenged. For myself low juice is and will always be #1. But if i can get a cash bonus with whatever the rollover requirement may be i will take that as well. I have been able to make a very decent lifestyle for my family and I through Sports Betting the past 6 years. Granted you need a tough stomach and at least a $100,000 starting bank in order to make a living off it in my opinion. With all wagers between 0.1% to 2% max stake.

    Some bettors play on credit and some bettors play on Cash. My father always told me CASH is KING. For those you play on credit because they have a quality agent, respect of their peers and so forth, then so be it. But for those you play on credit because they have no cash. Then good F-in luck. LOL

    Tacomax i beleive Raiders went 6-15 in CFB this past weekend.

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    Excellent post Value Bets

    I try to teach here but some do not want to listen but they will come around

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    Add Value Bets to the wannebe class. First I did not go 5-16 but it's your story. Another idiot that makes a living gambling off of bonuses.

    Of course you should take any bonus that you can get but the better you are the less and less bonuses you will get.

    The only way to keep bonuses under the radar is if you are playing in Vegas. You can play +EV video poker in Vegas and use a slot card. The card allows you to build up bonus points which can be used for food or cash rebates.

    Winning in sports gambling offshore will not keep you under the radar. Books such as Heritage profile the players and will send someone such as Value Bets a 40% reup bonus while others won't get that offer.

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    I know that on Betfair that only around 5 or 6% of punters turn a profit (From Betfair's own figures)


    So JJ's figures would seem about right.

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    Bootsy most of my data is pretty accurate as I do my homework

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    Raiders your laughable. You can check my posts at 3 foums to see if im making my monies off bonuses. You my friend are in denial. How did you do in CFB this past weekend ? Heritage is way overrated anyways. No overnights, and 107 lines only 3 hours of the day. They did offer me a 20/20/20 with a $500 bonus cash cap. But i turned them down. They have nothing to offer besides 107 lines 3 hours per day.
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    Value Bets- You claim to make a living gambling. Why are books giving you huge bonuses if you make a living gambling?

    There's nothing to be ashamed of in taking a bonus. Everyone should take a bonus if they feel the lines at the book warrant playing there. In fact I recommend signing up at 777Rock and taking the 25% bonus.

    What I'm saying is that you do NOT make a living gambling and it's very obvious. Why do you claim that in your FIRST post here.

    No one cares if you are a pro. Don't blow smoke. I only jump on the liars and scammers and you fit the first category.

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    Virg -7
    Und Virg 45 (Rock)
    TCU +3.5
    Temple +28
    Tenn +7 -115
    Oreg St +14
    E Mich +29
    SMU +28
    Troy St +20
    Mich St +6: 6s are leaving fast. Still a couple up
    Cal -21: Line opened at 21.5. Pinny bounced back and forth between 21 and 21.5 and is now 21.5. Most other books at 21 now. Should go higher throughout the day.
    Penn St -24.5
    Army +5.5
    Mia -7
    SD St +28
    Kent St +6.5
    NC +3.5
    LaTEch +15.5
    Ark St +24.5BC +2
    Fla Atl +33
    NM St +22

    6-15. Ill even call it 7-14 BEcause i dont feel like going over the games again. And you call me an idiot? I can get you an account at Betfair asap. Ill take your action all day long. Instead of capping on my own.

    2 words for ya mate.

    SEEK HELP

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    I never said I was a pro??? and I said I will take a bonus when it is offered to me. I did not go saying i was a bonus whore. But you wont catch me at a 2nd tier book just for the bonus.Tell me where i said that in my first post. I said for the past 6 years now I have a made a very decent lifestyle for my family and I Sports Betting. I only stick to 4-10 books Betfair, Pinnacle Sports, Canbet, Wsex, Grande, Will Hill, Ladbrokes, and CRIS have never denied me a payout in the past 6 years. So to say you can only do it in Vegas is ignorant. If anything VEGAS has been 2nd rate for a while now when compared to the offshore Giants
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    Value Bets- You want to stand by your post that you make a living gambling or do you want to admit that you donated to the books year after year. Come clean and all will be forgiven.

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