[arie1985]

Glad you did not lose Arie.

However, you lost me for good with the "all U.S.A. sports are rigged" stuff. These kids gave up their dream, reputation and possible livelihood because the guy behind the curtain sent them the lose sign at some point? Um, No.

And I suppose those thousand plus winners in my career that I had were only when I was told to win. Or maybe, I should have won 2,000 but 1,000 got stiffed and I did not notice it. Well damn! Never thought of that.

Really?

Yeah, I totally hear you, and by nature many of these players don't try to rig anything, however the money people bet on games does affect the outcome, many times, it's just a sad reality... if Louisville - Clemson had 99% of the money on Clemson then I would have lost this bet, but Louisville for 10x times your stake (or more) is more attractive than 5% "poor" yields and that's how people normally think or take that shot in the dark.

I understand many of you feel like the sports are genuine and nothing affects the outcome other than the game itself, there are surely some matches and games with 0 intervention for sure, no dispute of that, however big events, super bowl and where the big money goes - there you would find surprises time after time ... it doesn't ruin sports for me, I still like it, it just creates an opportunity to either trade the event, bet on the right outcome or just stay on the side.

In the end of the day my goal is that people would make money from this, but it's just impossible, the system is designed and crafted so well to make people lose ... the only way to get a positive ROI is to bet only when you see value, but for many it doesn't exist. There is no proper definition to value, just like this thread exemplifies.

Also not a long time ago I did complain about buying/selling crypto, I took Optional's advice to keep some crypto asides, otherwise it's just not worth it ...

I can go in huge length or maybe even write a book about the whole thing, I no longer look for betting in general on a daily basis, horse racings also are out for me, I just don't know anything about it, also I worked for a betting company for a while so I saw things from the inside, it all helped me understand many new things and aspects about this.

There is no "guy behind the curtain", treat it like financial markets, if that makes more sense out of this. The EUR/USD is $1.20 for example, the ECB says they raise rates by 1% - the EUR/USD should fly to $1.30 because higher % means more yields, right? Then it falls to $1.05 - makes sense? No, but that's how markets "behave".

Same is with sports - Baltimore Ravens played so well all year long, semi final comes and they lose - makes sense? No.

Don't try to depict a picture of "a guy behind a curtain", think about it like markets, like many people pull the strings here and then you might, might be able to see the picture the way I see it, and it won't look so "weird" to you as if I'm being a completely drunk/crazy/idiot person.

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Yeah, I totally hear you, and by nature many of these players don't try to rig anything, however the money people bet on games does affect the outcome, many times, it's just a sad reality... if Louisville - Clemson had 99% of the money on Clemson then I would have lost this bet, but Louisville for 10x times your stake (or more) is more attractive than 5% "poor" yields and that's how people normally think or take that shot in the dark.

I understand many of you feel like the sports are genuine and nothing affects the outcome other than the game itself, there are surely some matches and games with 0 intervention for sure, no dispute of that, however big events, super bowl and where the big money goes - there you would find surprises time after time ... it doesn't ruin sports for me, I still like it, it just creates an opportunity to either trade the event, bet on the right outcome or just stay on the side.

In the end of the day my goal is that people would make money from this, but it's just impossible, the system is designed and crafted so well to make people lose ... the only way to get a positive ROI is to bet only when you see value, but for many it doesn't exist. There is no proper definition to value, just like this thread exemplifies.

Also not a long time ago I did complain about buying/selling crypto, I took Optional's advice to keep some crypto asides, otherwise it's just not worth it ...

I can go in huge length or maybe even write a book about the whole thing, I no longer look for betting in general on a daily basis, horse racings also are out for me, I just don't know anything about it, also I worked for a betting company for a while so I saw things from the inside, it all helped me understand many new things and aspects about this.

There is no "guy behind the curtain", treat it like financial markets, if that makes more sense out of this. The EUR/USD is $1.20 for example, the ECB says they raise rates by 1% - the EUR/USD should fly to $1.30 because higher % means more yields, right? Then it falls to $1.05 - makes sense? No, but that's how markets "behave".

Same is with sports - Baltimore Ravens played so well all year long, semi final comes and they lose - makes sense? No.

Don't try to depict a picture of "a guy behind a curtain", think about it like markets, like many people pull the strings here and then you might, might be able to see the picture the way I see it, and it won't look so "weird" to you as if I'm being a completely drunk/crazy/idiot person.

I do not think you are crazy at all. On the contrary you put lots of thought into this obviously.
But I have been there . Inside the game of horse racing for decades and no such thing exists.
I have known so many athletes in the three major sports as well as coaches and GM’s.
I’ve been lucky enough to ask questions to players and coaches that most could not ask. That’s because they asked me questions about my game as well. They wonder what’s up as well as we do.
It’s just not correct what you are assuming. Your vision of how events take place are not accurate.
The barrier between us is that you are convinced of what you say and I am positive you are wrong.
But I won’t sway you it doesn’t seem , so best I can do is say what I said and truly wish you good luck in the future.
I’m happy to answer any questions you might have in the future.
Lastly, why was Balt. Better than KC?
It’s a week to week league and both teams are very good. Matchups matter and the mental aspect in game really matters.
Balt. Got hit in the mouth early and had no answers. They fell apart and lost their composure . If they played again this Sunday it might be different. But that’s sports and it’s one reason why it is unpredictable. Then add the sharpest lines in the world and there you have it.
I really wish you luck in the future.

[arie1985]

I do not think you are crazy at all. On the contrary you put lots of thought into this obviously.
But I have been there . Inside the game of horse racing for decades and no such thing exists.
I have known so many athletes in the three major sports as well as coaches and GM’s.
I’ve been lucky enough to ask questions to players and coaches that most could not ask. That’s because they asked me questions about my game as well. They wonder what’s up as well as we do.
It’s just not correct what you are assuming. Your vision of how events take place are not accurate.
The barrier between us is that you are convinced of what you say and I am positive you are wrong.
But I won’t sway you it doesn’t seem , so best I can do is say what I said and truly wish you good luck in the future.
I’m happy to answer any questions you might have in the future.
Lastly, why was Balt. Better than KC?
It’s a week to week league and both teams are very good. Matchups matter and the mental aspect in game really matters.
Balt. Got hit in the mouth early and had no answers. They fell apart and lost their composure . If they played again this Sunday it might be different. But that’s sports and it’s one reason why it is unpredictable. Then add the sharpest lines in the world and there you have it.
I really wish you luck in the future.

[DonnieBrasco23]

Keep posting your tickets stay transparent, show us what you got long-term. I would be interested to follow your 2024 journey since you’re so confident with your strategy.

[captrobey]

Clemson Tigers vs Louisville Cardinals, NCAA Basketball 8pm Texas Time (CST)

I don't know if they would cover the spread or not, but I'm thinking because Louisville is so popular, they would surely get lots of backers who would try small amounts on the money line here.

So I'm looking for these kind of opportunities where the moneyline, albeit very short, does justify itself, and 1.05 on Clemson, whilst is not a "lock" by any means or a sure way to win, still I think risking $1,000 here might be worth the $50 reward in return.

What do you say?

Talk me out of it, or talk me into it lol?! (a stranger is asking a bunch of degenerates for advice lol but why not lol, who else can I ask)

I do this all the time at places where i have casino blocked. Except as you already know i do this with tennis . I do that to get a better starting point to go all in with. Of course some of these tennis have backfired badly . But if i had $380 its not unusual for me to go all in to win $50 and get to $400+

[Statman]

Have you ever heard of the old expression?

Scared money don't make none...

[pavyracer]

Have you ever heard of the old expression?

Scared money don't make none...

I have had. But I also heard of the other old expression...A fool and his money are soon parted.

[arie1985]

Keep posting your tickets stay transparent, show us what you got long-term. I would be interested to follow your 2024 journey since you’re so confident with your strategy.

I mentioned before I'm not into betting on a daily basis, if I see something again that I feel like sharing then I'd but don't rely on it for something that I will do on a constant basis, sorry but I'm just not into doing it on a daily basis or anything similar.

[Itsamazing777]

Never worth it. I lost 2k once on a live -10000 tennis match. Was trying to win 200 I lost on something else. Of course the person up 5 games to 0 lost 7 in a row.

[DonnieBrasco23]

I mentioned before I'm not into betting on a daily basis, if I see something again that I feel like sharing then I'd but don't rely on it for something that I will do on a constant basis, sorry but I'm just not into doing it on a daily basis or anything similar.

All good.

[arie1985]

Never worth it. I lost 2k once on a live -10000 tennis match. Was trying to win 200 I lost on something else. Of course the person up 5 games to 0 lost 7 in a row.

I lost once $6000 betting against a horse that was 500 to 1 in the exchange and like 200 to 1 prerace:

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...l#post30559442

So I'm well familiar with the risks unfortunately.

[JohnGalt2341]

4) I can't pinpoint every single step of the way how it's done, if I could then you would have sports being shut down, investigated and what's not ... but social media does help to expose so many wrong things .... people probably already forgot about the Cowboys Lions game, issuing a flag 1 minute after Detroit scored. This was also not rigged in your view, right?

Thanks for the reply. Solid post. I'm not an expert on things being rigged, and I don't deny that SOME events MIGHT be rigged, to a certain extent. However, I don't think it's a mass conspiracy. I would guess that at least 99% of major U.S. Sporting events are not rigged. There's far more to lose than gain IMO. Especially if a bunch of people were "in on it".

One thing I will say with a degree of certainty is, quite a few PRIDE fights were rigged in their day. But that was in Japan.

One more thing, there are thousands and thousands of Sporting events each year. If there wasn't several dozen terrible coaches decisions, terrible player mistakes, crazy flukes, etc, then that would be rather miraculous. Just because these things occur doesn't necessarily mean that anything is rigged.