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what are you clueless about sir? Its not that hard to understand?Originally Posted by upscope
Shelvin Mack was a 2nd rounder he's not guaranteed sh#t. In the meantime Gordon Hayward is a key rotation player that figures into the Jazz long term plans
Shelvin Mack > Gordon Hayward
I have done my research and no you don't pick games based on black and white its a factor that you have to put into play when your capping these fking games. You think these kids don't have good coaches?
Look at the coaching staff on St.Johns and tell me that they aren't better coaches then the coaches at William and Mary please tell me that.
And it does mean shit you if you picking a team with white players. Why don't you tail a basketball team all year that is composed of 5 white starters and see how well they do.
And the fact that your saying St.Johns might cover that spread is just telling me your still uncomfortable with your wager.
And I live for the Mid Majors I love the Mid Major programs they are what make college basketball so enjoyable. So the excuse of them being beat because they are a mid major is invalid in this situation because any team can win.
I never said i was in love with this wager. I was saying ur black and white point was dumb. Cuz it is. My pick at the end is just telling you what i was going with.
I did reasonably well last year on totals although the OT's can be a b&tch. Anyone care to compile a list of uptempo versus walk me up the court. I realize some coaches might adjust occassionally but most nor
normally they stay relatively consistent. Sorry but cursor keeps freezing on some reply's.
if your telling me you don't look at a factor like that when your capping college basketball games you need some help at analyzing games because it is a HUGE FACTOR.
I will say this though William and Mary has a good recruiting class coming in next year I remember looking up some info on there recruiting awhile back and they grabbed some talent for there program
Guess that explains why Hayward was a lottery pick & key part of Jazz future while Mack was a 2nd rounder & will be fortunate to even make the roster.....
You're a sharp one
I prefer picking the TOTALS but I'm just not comfortable yet my name is OVER UNDER for the very reason of college basketball OVER UNDERs but to early to decipher this for me to be comfortable.
Im not sure I'm gonna even be home for the dam game for some reason I thought the games were tomorrow but apparently they are today
again man you do realize in a 1 on 1 situation MACK wins that the NBA is a team game. But in a 1 on 1 situation MACK wins
It is a huge factor & the reason why I generally take the under valued "white" program plus a boatload of points (usually).
I like teams that play fundamentally sound & make free throws that have something to play for. I feel this trumps the superior & athletically gifted "black" programs.
Tonight's game is irrelevant & proves nothing either way. Far too many unknown intangibles in play.
I'm not betting this game anyhow, just sayin' in the long run I'm generally more comfortable backing the other side for reason stated above.
GL
Last edited by upscope; 11-07-11 at 02:08 PM.
I also look at where these kids play there AAU ball and Club ball and High School Ball a player I was huge on out of Belmont in his Freshmen Year IAN CLARK and now he is the best player on the team. His scouts grade was extremely high for a team like Belmont to grab. And now he is in his Junior year all because he played at a talent rich High School program.
So compare where these kids from St.Johns played there AAU/High School ball
I will also say this I am a huge fan of DEFENSE in basketball. HUGE FAN, but sometimes you just gotta go with the offense. I love BUTLER basketball because they play so well on the defensive end.
I also hate the NBA because I hate watching teams score 200 points a game and just stand around I think its dumb as hell.
They came to St.Johns to start a legacy.
All right, now you're being silly. We're not debating who would win one on one. NBA teams don't draft based on who would win a one on one contest. And that doesn't make you a better player. If you don't understand this then ther's no point in having a logical discussion.
Bottom line is Hayward was a lottery pick w/ a bright future in the league & will make millions. Mack was a 2nd rounder guaranteed nothing & may never see an NBA court. He needs a lot of breaks to fall his way to make it in the league.
If he makes it fantastic cause I like the kids game but if he doesn't I guess he can always say he can beat Gordon Hayward in a game of one on one......which doesn't mean sh#t!
again man we were comparing a white player to a black player
this entire argument is about white players being compared to black players not who makes more money in the NBA. Another reason why I hate the NBA so much corruption I hope the NBA never comes back give college basketball the spot light
alright upscope lets end this madness I'm calling truce this thread has turned to complete mush and I'm going to pick up some lunch .
Ill be back laters
You simply stated that Butler's best player was black eventhough they are known for being a predominately white program. mack may have been their best player last yr. but Hayward was their heart & soul & best player the first yr they made it to the championship game & he is white.
Do you really believe that if Hayward comes back for his Jr yr that he is still not their heart & soul & best player??
hayward has the instincts of a black guy on the hardwood
skill is a huge factor u moron. u dont take a guy just cuz hes black. u take him if theyre better. no shit there are more good black players, but that doesnt mean you take a black guy against a white guy always. u watch the games. that comment was ******* moronic. ur an idiot
have you read anything i stated? Did you not see that I put AAU BASKETBALL/High School Basketball programs?
SKILL comes from that?
Hello?
hitthew8room Ive never even seen you make a post in this forum until now
hey college over under i have a quick questions for you... you seem to know your shit pretty well when it comes to cbb.. i see your on st johns and i made a play on them already - 8 but im nervous and here is why... from what i read st johns played a d3 school in an exhibition game and beat them by only 7?? they missed 20 free throws 20!!! i know st johns has the best player on the court, but will that be enough to cover the spread? im thinking wm and mary is the correct play simply because of this last game by st johns. please give me some confidence here or i might just play wm and mary and eat the juice.
increased to 5 UNITS from 1 UNIT
get em hyuna....im taking a week to watch..then start capping....BOL..
never put 5 units on the first game of the year
Alright boys way to start the season +5 Units to start the season
Had St. Johns -8 and also added 4 more units before game time at -7.5
Valpo @ arizona ( over 136 ) (1/2 unit) (.5 units)
2nd half Arizona -7.5 2UNITS
backdoored the very last play of the game at -7.5 bucket last play of the game lose by 8 points
-2 units
OVER 136
+.5 units
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that sux...man i cant wait to start playing...
Currently +3.5 Units
St.Johns vs LeHigh
Write up on LeHigh
This is a St.Johns win straight up but I am going to give an actual write up on this LeHigh team. This LeHigh team isn't that bad I took a look at their schedule and their statistics and this team is based around a Junior Class mainly with some key additions from the freshmen class. But none of the freshmen on this years team are scholarship players I am pretty sure they are walk ons who tried out and made the team. This team isn't really big though. But they do have a big man with experience who is apart of the Junior Class that leads this team. I am actually looking to see this LeHigh team win the weak Patriot League make their way into the Dance this year and Next Year. They do not shoot the 3 Well though and I'm honestly not expecting them to shoot from the field well either. They are going to need to play a slow paced game because once St.Johns kicks it into gear they are going to turn the ball over a lot.
I would like to get St.Johns -9.5 but Im willing to grab St. Johns at -15 currently.
Don't know much about Lehigh. No idea what this line is gonna be?? Thanx for the write-UP.
Nice hit last night w/ the Johnnies. Guess you get the last laugh on that match-UP against Bill & Mary.
I think I would be careful tailing the Johnnies too often though. They didn't really impress me too much last night. They're playing short handed right now & are w/o their HC. They absolutely stink from the stripe. Read they missed 20 freebies in their last exhibition game & were a dismal 12-25 last night....ugggh....Setting some people UP for heartbreak when backers lay chalk on this team & need them to can the freebies down the stretch. They were also out rebounded by W&M 29-26 which is unacceptable against W&M types. Looks like they showed quite a bit of heart & simply outclassed W&M in the 2nd H though turning a 7 pt halftime deficit into a run away 15 point win.
Wow... a lot of interesting side notes reading into this game ... I unfortunately didn't watch it but didn't wager on it but those things are interesting to keep in mind as the average joe sees them as a good bet for the near future ... good job on the profitable night college ... many more to come
oh don't worry man ill be jumping ship once conference play starts.
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