1. 07-17-12 04:57 PM #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    What would you expect him to say, "Eh, I'm just gonna go out there and do my best..." ? lol of course that's what he PLANS to do... but has he been practically living in the gym?? how mentally focused is he?? not much, i don't think. after barely beating dongi yang, in a fight a lot of people thought he lost, he came out looking terrible against Philipou. He cruised his way to a loss as if he was winning the fight. No drive or will to win in that fight, whatsoever. I hope his training regimen hasn't changed since the last fight to this.
    This is my point Gabe. Just flippant comments that have no substance...how do you know it was because of his training regiment? Do you not think Philipou's far superior boxing and footwork had anything to do with it? Im not disagreeing with you, Ring should be able to beat him, he's a lot more technical and refined than Court, but just assuming tht Ring will be more prepared and wants it more just doesnt make sense to me
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    Simply put: Ring belongs in the UFC. McGee doesn't.

    By beating McGee, Ring envisions he will take McGee's TUF title and make it his. After that win, Ring vs Philipou would make sense. But Ring probably wouldn't fight for another 9 months, Consta likes to fight as often as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    Simply put: Ring belongs in the UFC. McGee doesn't.

    By beating McGee, Ring envisions he will take McGee's TUF title and make it his. After that win, Ring vs Philipou would make sense. But Ring probably wouldn't fight for another 9 months, Consta likes to fight as often as possible.
    Could well happen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughany View Post
    This is my point Gabe. Just flippant comments that have no substance...how do you know it was because of his training regiment? Do you not think Philipou's far superior boxing and footwork had anything to do with it? Im not disagreeing with you, Ring should be able to beat him, he's a lot more technical and refined than Court, but just assuming tht Ring will be more prepared and wants it more just doesnt make sense to me
    It wouldn't make sense to me, either. I didn't say he will win because he is more prepared and wants it more. What's wrong with you, man? I clearly said he is faster and more talented on the feet and wherever the fight goes. I added that McGee's only chance would be if he made major improvements from his last fight to this one, especially in his training. Sometimes you see a fighter who looks terrible, but in his next fight he's so good you go 'WTF?' - A scenario like that is the only way I envision McGee winning, which is what I said... and also, like I said, I don't think he's changed too much from his last fight to this one...

    Yes, it was Costa's boxing that won the fight, but my point was that McGee showed no desire to win. He wasn't going for anything. He was just cruising to a decision loss. Disappointing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    Nick Ring -140 (5/5)

    This is Nick Ring’s fight to lose, and the odds suggest it’s a great play. Court McGee is flat-footed and slow whereas Ring’s got good movement and is pretty fast for a MW, especially in the first half of his fights… I think worst case scenario, Ring wins a close 29-28 decision, but I don’t see it being that close. Ring has been out of action for a while, but I expect him to show up healthy, in shape, and prepared. Nick has the ability to control where the fight goes. He beat McGee once on TUF, and he will beat him again. He is simply a much better fighter than Court McGee. He’s made some improvements in his game, while McGee has begun his decline. I had Nick Ring capped at -215, so I think he’s a steal at anything up to -180.


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    what v is referring to
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    It wouldn't make sense to me, either. I didn't say he will win because he is more prepared and wants it more. What's wrong with you, man? I clearly said he is faster and more talented on the feet and wherever the fight goes. I added that McGee's only chance would be if he made major improvements from his last fight to this one, especially in his training. Sometimes you see a fighter who looks terrible, but in his next fight he's so good you go 'WTF?' - A scenario like that is the only way I envision McGee winning, which is what I said... and also, like I said, I don't think he's changed too much from his last fight to this one...

    Yes, it was Costa's boxing that won the fight, but my point was that McGee showed no desire to win. He wasn't going for anything. He was just cruising to a decision loss. Disappointing.
    Where did I say tht u said that he'll win because he wants it more?! I said quite clearly tht Ring should win because he is more technical and refined. Then I said that u are suggesting that Ring will be more prepared and want it more (which is quite obviously a factor in u thinking Ring will win) but I didnt say "more prepared and want it more and thus will win" did I?

    Rather than lack of desire to win, I think it was more to do with being completely outclassed and having no idea how to close the distance and deal with Costas' counter striking and power therefore just plodded along and before he knew it his time was up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebubzy View Post
    what v is referring to
    I was saying that after a long layoff, I don't expect him to be rusty. I expect him to be ready. I didn't say he will win because he will be healthy and McGee won't. Seriously, what is wrong with you guys?
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    What other 5/5s do you have on this card Gabe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughany View Post
    Where did I say tht u said that he'll win because he wants it more?! I said quite clearly tht Ring should win because he is more technical and refined. Then I said that u are suggesting that Ring will be more prepared and want it more (which is quite obviously a factor in u thinking Ring will win) but I didnt say "more prepared and want it more and thus will win" did I?

    Rather than lack of desire to win, I think it was more to do with being completely outclassed and having no idea how to close the distance and deal with Costas' counter striking and power therefore just plodded along and before he knew it his time was up

    "just assuming tht Ring will be more prepared and wants it more just doesnt make sense to me"

    well, i never said he wants it more... and i didn't really say he will be more prepared, either. i just said he will be prepared. i expect them both to be prepared. but if they're equally prepared, it's nick's fight. if court has been practically living in the gym and has had this fight on his mind 24/7, then he stands a good shot... but i'm betting against that.
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    sidenote: i know someone training with a dude who has a fight coming up and i hear this guy is looking terrible in training... fade!!!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    I was saying that after a long layoff, I don't expect him to be rusty. I expect him to be ready. I didn't say he will win because he will be healthy and McGee won't. Seriously, what is wrong with you guys?
    Your missing the point. What I'm saying is if some nooob who had no idea who Ring or McGee were and came in to this thread and read it he'd probably surmise from what you've put that Court has no will to win, or desire, or determination, or however you wanna put it, when in fact, what Im arguing, is that he does have that, and in fact is his main strength which has got him where he's at so far. Moreover, what Im saying is that his issues lie in his lack of technique and lack of natural ability rather than a will to win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    sidenote: i know someone training with a dude who has a fight coming up and i hear this guy is looking terrible in training... fade!!!!!!!!!!
    Armenian friend and Armenian fighter? Has to be Karo?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    "just assuming tht Ring will be more prepared and wants it more just doesnt make sense to me"

    well, i never said he wants it more... and i didn't really say he will be more prepared, either. i just said he will be prepared. i expect them both to be prepared. but if they're equally prepared, it's nick's fight. if court has been practically living in the gym and has had this fight on his mind 24/7, then he stands a good shot... but i'm betting against that.
    Well ur saying tht u think Ring will be prepared (in your first post) and then your questioning Mcgee's focus (which is a key part of preparation)..."how mentally focused is he?? not much, i don't think" which suggests that you think Ring will be more prepared, does it not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughany View Post
    Your missing the point. What I'm saying is if some nooob who had no idea who Ring or McGee were and came in to this thread and read it he'd probably surmise from what you've put that Court has no will to win, or desire, or determination, or however you wanna put it, when in fact, what Im arguing, is that he does have that, and in fact is his main strength which has got him where he's at so far. Moreover, what Im saying is that his issues lie in his lack of technique and lack of natural ability rather than a will to win.
    I don't see how someone would get that idea since I never said that. Court McGee is a fighter with a big heart and will to win. That was never questioned. Let me repeat for the 20th time: What I said was that the only way I see him winning is he has made improvements in his training and in his game. That does not mean he won't heart it out for a 3 round decision loss.

    Yeah, McGee showed no will to win against Philipou. That was the only time he has looked like he wasn't trying to win. That showed a decline, IMO. Whether he is like that against Ring or if he shows his usual desire to win, it's still Nick Ring's fight. Unless, again, if McGee's been focused 24/7 on this fight...which I don't think he has been...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughany View Post
    Armenian friend and Armenian fighter? Has to be Karo?!
    no armenians
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughany View Post
    Well ur saying tht u think Ring will be prepared (in your first post) and then your questioning Mcgee's focus (which is a key part of preparation)..."how mentally focused is he?? not much, i don't think" which suggests that you think Ring will be more prepared, does it not?
    it doesn't mean ring will be more prepared, it just means that he will be prepared. if they're equally prepared, ring wins. ring doesn't have to be more prepared to win. but mcgee does.
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    i don't get how any of this isn't clear lol wow
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    Shawn Jordan -125 (5/5)

    I believe he is better in every aspect and will be able to hold his own wherever the fight goes. I expect him to finish the fight, but if he doesn't, there shouldn't be a question who the decision goes to.
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    Gabe 3 locks on one card!!!!! Did you parlay that ticket?
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    5 huge plays for this card
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    haven't put all my bets in, yet. lines for ring fight still not up for me
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    Get that money gabe.
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    I'm 25-5 for the month of July-- I'm either gonna finish the month on a very positive note, or with a downfall. I'm feeling very confident, though. This card would make me excited every time I would look at it. It's finally here. Let's get it!! $$$$$$$$
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    5 Team - Parlay
    Ticket #: 59655908
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    #961 - Pittsburgh Pirates +1½ (-175)
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    #963 - Houston Astros +1½ (-200)
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    #979 - Texas Rangers ML (-110)
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    #90062 - Shawn Jordan ML (-140)
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    Shawn Jordan 5/5? I think you're going to be dissapointed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradbatross View Post
    Shawn Jordan 5/5? I think you're going to be dissapointed.
    I don't think I'm going to be disappointed or surprised at all. Jordan is on the way up. Kongo is on the way down. Easy play, loved it the moment the fight was announced.
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    I agree with you that Kongo's on a downside, and he's probably the second dumbest fighter in the UFC after Rampage but it's still not a good fight to bet on unless it's just for shits and giggles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradbatross View Post
    I agree with you that Kongo's on a downside, and he's probably the second dumbest fighter in the UFC after Rampage but it's still not a good fight to bet on unless it's just for shits and giggles.
    Huh? Shawn Jordan is very good. Kongo is over-rated and on a decline. This seems easy for me. I could be wrong. Really don't think I will be. I will be heartbroken if Shawn Jordan lets me down. I feel like I know what I'm going to be getting from both of these guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    no armenians
    I used to run a shop, we had that sign up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    Huh? Shawn Jordan is very good. Kongo is over-rated and on a decline. This seems easy for me. I could be wrong. Really don't think I will be. I will be heartbroken if Shawn Jordan lets me down. I feel like I know what I'm going to be getting from both of these guys.
    What you're missing is the power that both these guys have, it's a 50/50 fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NunyaBidness View Post
    I used to run a shop, we had that sign up.
    You and your boyfriend had a shop? Cute.

    (just using this as an opportunity to imply that you're gay, 'cos i've always assumed so.)

    you're ok in my book, though. that was funny tho, if you were only kidding and not really racist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradbatross View Post
    What you're missing is the power that both these guys have, it's a 50/50 fight.
    Kongo being powerful doesn't make it a 50/50 fight... Yeah, sure, he could catch him like he did Barry, but that doesn't make it 50/50 lol-- Jordan is more likely to knock Kongo out.
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    I wouldn't be surprised if they're both rocked at one point in the fight, you're underestimating Kongo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    You and your boyfriend had a shop? Cute.

    (just using this as an opportunity to imply that you're gay, 'cos i've always assumed so.)
    You can always tell which jokes are the funniest, they're the ones you have to explain.
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    Ya, I don't know if I'm touching the Congo/Jordan fight. But Bol.

    Gabe going to make this card his biotch. Gabe, are you going to make a vid!??
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