[Jaug]

Most poisons distribute through the cardiovascular system. There are rarer types of poisons that attack the nervous system or the pulmonary system. There are two key criterion that are typically correlated with the effectiveness of the poison distribution: the relationship between the poisoner and the poison subject. If either typically eats or kills the other, the distribution is typically much more lethal. If that relationship does not exist, the poison is typically less effective (often due to the differences in sizes between the two).

The Poisson distribution has a much more limited set of lethal targets. For the most part, it attacks the financial system of sportsbooks. A majority of sportsbooks are vulnerable to this type of attack, but there are rare instances of books that are tolerant of this. The Poisson distribution also evidences an unusual phenomenon occassionally - the self-inflicted wound. Some players who misuse their Poisson end up damaging or crippling their bankroll. Very few things in life are as tragic as a Poisson distribution induced bankroll failure.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

LOL n1 Justin.

[JohnnyC]

What I believe I had mentioned to you in passing during what was in fact largely an interesting philosophical discussion regarding both the nature of belief and the importance of skepticism in forming cogent belief structures, was that my then management agreement with SBR precluded me from wagering with offshore books in order to avoid potential conflicts of interest or the appearance of any impropriety.

I also noted, after you invited me to join you at the Baccarat table, that I personally had absolutely no interest in gambling-as-entertainment, derived no enjoyment from the process, but was quite happy that you were enjoying yourself so much.

You also, rather kindly, bought me a cup of coffee a couple of days later while I was waiting for my wife. I appreciated that and was further pleased to learn that you had had such a financially rewarding stay in Vegas. If memory serves I also wished you continued success in the future.

amazing, hi ganchow

[eidolon]

Don't bet on the Yankees or Lakers

[Ganchrow]

amazing, hi ganchow

Hola Chav.

¿Cómo estás?

[Jaug]

This is a great day, Ganchrow is back

[Flying Dutchman]

This is a great day, Ganchrow is back

Absolutely, get some decent math back into the tank.

...chase off all the pretenders.

[The G-Man Wins]

Hello all. Ok, here goes. Ive just joined the site. My avatar is who I am. I am the original G-Man since 1993. (Im known as G-Man elsewhere, but someone here is using that title now. Dont confuse me HERE with that person.) Ive spent many years at other sites and still post on a very few. Been professionally betting and marketing since 1994. I havent marketed for many years. I do play various football games per week in general. Football is what I know - its what I win with and its what I marketed nationally for several years.

This whole forum is about reading other guys ideas and plays. Posters above made the remark that there are no professionals here. That may be true. The comment also was made, that no professional would give their secrets out for everyone to use. That may be true as well, if there was a professional on board here.

There are many touts for the public to patronize for their picks and information. The problem is - that there are so many losing touts, that they make you take a beating before you realize it, if you buy their picks.

I dont know of ONE tout out there, that actually caps games based on a scientific process that mirrors the way Vegas sets the line on games. Not Phil Steele, Marc Lawrence, not Gold Sheet or a hundred others. They all use combination's of things, like Power Ratings, Trends and line movements among other things.

Some of the touts actually have winning weeks or seasons. But none of them have them every year unless they dissect a group of plays they use that have won one year, while that same group of plays may have lost in other years. They sell the games to generate sales volume, but usually dont have successful results on all their releases. (5 stars -4 stars -3 stars etc.)

You can look at a Gold Sheet publication and may find that their highest rated bets may have a winning season but they may have losing season on all the other combined plays. So how does a gambler win? Most guys dont bet one day per week or on 3 games in a week. The majority play many games.

To learn how to cap games in any sport you must know how the spread was made on a game. You must know what criteria was used to set that line. You must also realize that Vegas is hitting at a 60 percent rate or higher. At that rate - based on all the games they get action on, they are typically making well over 400% profit or more each year on the amount of bets made. And most importantly - you must realize that the point spread on football is made from betting history and privileged historical data, along with a contrast of current abilities of teams involved.

If you approach betting without any formula that has worked over time, then you are just guessing at best, each week. The touts are as well. They have runs because of trends and other things. Some are good enough to provide winning season. But very few win with their releases overall. They just have a few rated plays that win in a certain category in different seasons. More importantly, the same service may have a winning season in Pro games while losing badly on College games. If youre buying their picks for both college and pro, you likely are not going to win. What I do, isnt for sale. If I post plays here this season, I'll just be sharing some of the games I play. I may add dialog as we go here during the season about capping on football. I dont spend much time with other opinions on plays other guys post. Capping is totally scientific in my opinion, so most logic guys use for betting on a team dont apply to my process.

Good luck this season.

[Flying Dutchman]

Hello all. Ok, here goes. Ive just joined the site. My avatar is who I am. I am the original G-Man since 1993. (Im known as G-Man elsewhere, but someone here is using that title now. Dont confuse me HERE with that person.) Ive spent many years at other sites and still post on a very few. Been professionally betting and marketing since 1994. I havent marketed for many years. I do play various football games per week in general. Football is what I know - its what I win with and its what I marketed nationally for several years.

This whole forum is about reading other guys ideas and plays. Posters above made the remark that there are no professionals here. That may be true. The comment also was made, that no professional would give their secrets out for everyone to use. That may be true as well, if there was a professional on board here.

There are many touts for the public to patronize for their picks and information. The problem is - that there are so many losing touts, that they make you take a beating before you realize it, if you buy their picks.

I dont know of ONE tout out there, that actually caps games based on a scientific process that mirrors the way Vegas sets the line on games. Not Phil Steele, Marc Lawrence, not Gold Sheet or a hundred others. They all use combination's of things, like Power Ratings, Trends and line movements among other things.

Some of the touts actually have winning weeks or seasons. But none of them have them every year unless they dissect a group of plays they use that have won one year, while that same group of plays may have lost in other years. They sell the games to generate sales volume, but usually dont have successful results on all their releases. (5 stars -4 stars -3 stars etc.)

You can look at a Gold Sheet publication and may find that their highest rated bets may have a winning season but they may have losing season on all the other combined plays. So how does a gambler win? Most guys dont bet one day per week or on 3 games in a week. The majority play many games.

To learn how to cap games in any sport you must know how the spread was made on a game. You must know what criteria was used to set that line. You must also realize that Vegas is hitting at a 60 percent rate or higher. At that rate - based on all the games they get action on, they are typically making well over 400% profit or more each year on the amount of bets made. And most importantly - you must realize that the point spread on football is made from betting history and privileged historical data, along with a contrast of current abilities of teams involved.

If you approach betting without any formula that has worked over time, then you are just guessing at best, each week. The touts are as well. They have runs because of trends and other things. Some are good enough to provide winning season. But very few win with their releases overall. They just have a few rated plays that win in a certain category in different seasons. More importantly, the same service may have a winning season in Pro games while losing badly on College games. If youre buying their picks for both college and pro, you likely are not going to win. What I do, isnt for sale. If I post plays here this season, I'll just be sharing some of the games I play. I may add dialog as we go here during the season about capping on football. I dont spend much time with other opinions on plays other guys post. Capping is totally scientific in my opinion, so most logic guys use for betting on a team dont apply to my process.

Good luck this season.

...yadda, yadda, yadda...

OK, not only one but two Touts (at least) use math formulas and modeling: DrBob and RAS, both very well known.

And NOBODY consistently hits at 60% or higher...NOBODY.

...how about a hint: when you blow into the Tank as a newbie, at least yak about something that you've checked out. If you just want to beat your gums, we have the newbie forum...or especially for blowhards: Players Talk.

[TakeIt]

...yadda, yadda, yadda...

OK, not only one but two Touts (at least) use math formulas and modeling: DrBob and RAS, both very well known.

And NOBODY consistently hits at 60% or higher...NOBODY.

...how about a hint: when you blow into the Tank as a newbie, at least yak about something that you've checked out. If you just want to beat your gums, we have the newbie forum...or especially for blowhards: Players Talk.

tough crowd.

[BWest]

I am not a professional but I know two indiv who make their living from a combo of sportsbetting and poker. The one thing I notice that they share is a tremendous ability to totally divorce their emotions from the process. They are both alot of fun but when it comes to gaming they almost seem to have to be another person. I know that is very hard for the average person...myself included.

[DukeJohn]

Thank you to illfuuptn, the OP, for the points

Best of Luck,

[DukeJohn]

I am not a professional but I know two indiv who make their living from a combo of sportsbetting and poker. The one thing I notice that they share is a tremendous ability to totally divorce their emotions from the process. They are both alot of fun but when it comes to gaming they almost seem to have to be another person. I know that is very hard for the average person...myself included.

This is not actually needed per se. You just need to not act on those emotions. I can be up 100 units, winning day after day and lose one day and get a little depressed. There is no cause for it, as I know what I do is sound, but still I will feel those loses. The one thing I don't do though is second guess my strategy. Sometimes I look at a team and say, how the hell are they going to win, but the "system" says to go with them, so I do. Amazing that +300 somehow wins and I take home a winner. Not to say that happens often, I mean betting a +300 to win, but it does every now and then. Anyway, the point is, emotions are fine, just don't let me cloud whatever system you are using.

BoL,

[The G-Man Wins]

...yadda, yadda, yadda...

OK, not only one but two Touts (at least) use math formulas and modeling: DrBob and RAS, both very well known.

And NOBODY consistently hits at 60% or higher...NOBODY.

...how about a hint: when you blow into the Tank as a newbie, at least yak about something that you've checked out. If you just want to beat your gums, we have the newbie forum...or especially for blowhards: Players Talk.

Youre obviously a guy that doesnt read well. I didnt say they dont use math. I said they dont have a scientific process that mirrors the way Vegas sets the line. Since youve decided that Im wrong and offered a bit of sarcasm as well, its easy for me to see that you know little about this process. Therefore, please consider knowing a lot more about something Ive posted before you come up shooting without even touching on the subject.

As far as 'nobody' hits 60% or higher,... we are talking about 'Vegas' winning at that rate. If you think they dont, please take a week or two to decide what youre going to say, because you are going to misinform many readers if you dont have facts.

Until then save the insults.

Good luck in what ever you excel in. Its not this topic.

[Justin7]

As far as 'nobody' hits 60% or higher,... we are talking about 'Vegas' winning at that rate. If you think they dont, please take a week or two to decide what youre going to say, because you are going to misinform many readers if you dont have facts.

G-Man,

Welcome to SBR.

I think there is some confusion, because we're not sure what you mean when you said Vegas wins at a 60% rate. What exactly do you mean by that?

I'm pretty sure that Vegas wins less than 50% of their bets. They still win, as long as they win 47.6%, due to the vigorish.

Could you give some examples about your 60% win rate so we could better understand what you are suggesting?

I have a few more questions for you. You said "they are typically making well over 400% profit or more each year on the amount of bets made. And most importantly - you must realize that the point spread on football is made from betting history and privileged historical data, along with a contrast of current abilities of teams involved"

400% of what? Can you give an example of this, so I can understand what you mean? Historically, I thought Las Vegas showed a profit of 2-3% of the total volume of bets.

Also, what is "privileged historical data"? Are you suggesting that Las Vegas has access to data or statistics that I cannot find?

[Flying Dutchman]

Youre obviously a guy that doesnt read well. I didnt say they dont use math. I said they dont have a scientific process that mirrors the way Vegas sets the line. Since youve decided that Im wrong and offered a bit of sarcasm as well, its easy for me to see that you know little about this process. Therefore, please consider knowing a lot more about something Ive posted before you come up shooting without even touching on the subject.

As far as 'nobody' hits 60% or higher,... we are talking about 'Vegas' winning at that rate. If you think they dont, please take a week or two to decide what youre going to say, because you are going to misinform many readers if you dont have facts.

Until then save the insults.

Good luck in what ever you excel in. Its not this topic.

OK, perhaps you're right. What the heck do YOU mean by "scientific"? You got a line setting machine in your pocket? "Scientific", my ass.

...and now, "Vegas wins at the 60% rate? WTF? The books take an average of 4.5% to maybe 7% when the public is fairly wrong. 20%? You're on crack.

Read the fvking forum title, clown. It says THINK TANK, not the shit-shucking forum.

BTW, Justin has to be nice, he's a mod. Breezy shit-blowing tout-wannabes we eat for lunch around here.

Next time you check in, get a better handle too, wannabe.

[durito]

Are you in BigdaddyQH's syndicate?

[Flying Dutchman]

Justin, can we please move this thread OUT of the Tank?

...it's attracting flies.

[TakeIt]

OK, perhaps you're right. What the heck do YOU mean by "scientific"? You got a line setting machine in your pocket? "Scientific", my ass.

...and now, "Vegas wins at the 60% rate? WTF? The books take an average of 4.5% to maybe 7% when the public is fairly wrong. 20%? You're on crack.

Read the fvking forum title, clown. It says THINK TANK, not the shit-shucking forum.

BTW, Justin has to be nice, he's a mod. Breezy shit-blowing tout-wannabes we eat for lunch around here.

Next time you check in, get a better handle too, wannabe.

it wouldn't hurt to pose civil questions. i've noticed a dearth of responses in this forum do to the arrogant know-it-alls who love to put down newbies or anyone they think is beneath them.

that's a good way to run off participants.

[Flying Dutchman]

Take it, this is the Tank. If you want to pose a tech question, folks here will listen and give a thoughtful response, or you might get an arrogant Monkey response, but at least Monkey has a techie background...we think.

If you want to puff up and do tout shit, there are other forums. We all know what G-man is doing, we've seen it hundreds of times. I'm simply putting this clown on notice it doesn't work here.

World's sharpest techie forum, this is. Proud of the rep.

[BadaBingSports]

Your better off just scalping and middling for a profit. Anybody can do it and there is little to no risk.

Not to mention alot less stressful. Even pros go through long losing droughts that can be very demoralizing.

Scalping....You're playing for slim margins. You have a brain, create a sound strategy using fundamentals & technicals. Yes, even pros go through a string of losers, that is why you play multiple sports at a time. No different than diversification in the stock market.

If you're happy scalping for pennies and waiting for the online books to send you a check...be my guest. If you're going to play, then make it worth your while.

[20Four7]

Are you in BigdaddyQH's syndicate?

I believe he is durito....... after all bigdaddyQH know's all.

[The G-Man Wins]

OK, perhaps you're right. What the heck do YOU mean by "scientific"? You got a line setting machine in your pocket? "Scientific", my ass.

...and now, "Vegas wins at the 60% rate? WTF? The books take an average of 4.5% to maybe 7% when the public is fairly wrong. 20%? You're on crack.

Read the fvking forum title, clown. It says THINK TANK, not the shit-shucking forum.

BTW, Justin has to be nice, he's a mod. Breezy shit-blowing tout-wannabes we eat for lunch around here.

Next time you check in, get a better handle too, wannabe.

I have concluded that your user name should change. You know nothing about Vegas and the win ratio they have. You must be struggling with this win rate, because you obviously think Vegas doesnt win much.

Here is what I wrote elsewhere, some time ago.

When you win most of your bets you are correct to believe that you would be on the same side Vegas is on.

There is a bit more insight here though, to consider. Right away, you are looking for an imbalance that is obvious...but again - if you dont know which games they are, then you could be loading up on a game that has more action on the winning side already (as one of the games vegas loses) and then YOU go and bet against it and lose. Its not really that simple.

To Fade a game is wrong from your view point in general only - but completely right when the factors are there to back it up.

If you happen to be aware of that game and fade it and still lose - then you would go back over the bet to analyze it and see if your system could have been wrong on that one game. It could have also lost because of bad luck or turnovers that caused the score to beat you. Many games win and lose that way, as you and everyone else knows. Vegas loses games the SAME WAY!

I dont believe that logging onto a betting site that shows any sort of quantity of bets is accurate enough. Thats because, if you look at one site it may not be getting action that another site is getting.

Just like, if you compare games the majority of guys here like, for lets say,,, a Thursday night game in college, you could go to a different site and see more guys on the opposite side of what we are on here. That may be a game that you posted a story on that won, while another good capper on another site posted the opposite side on and lost. We all have been on the wrong side of a games here together in majority at times and also been on the right side at times. But those dont consistently validate the entire slate for the week. There are an average of 40-50 games in college to pick from and usually 15-16 pro games. Thats a big slate of games. But since the average guy may only bet 10 games a week as your example, they may not be those that you bet. My point is that there isnt PR good enough to validate those games.

Now to address the 60-70 % factor. Here is what I believe. If Vegas has roughly 20 college games historically, in a given week, that happen to be getting very close to even action on them in the week, then they likely could win at least 14 of them or maybe all 20.
Heres how they win those 20. Lets say those 20 games are bet in a ratio of 52% to 48%, regardless of how many win or lose. It doesnt matter if the favorite wins or the dog wins. The historical betting habits - are the reason the game is lined at a point to draw that close-ratio of bets. But those games may not play-out that way, but Vegas doesnt have to use any current scoring potentials to win these games. No matter who has the advantage in the game on these evenly bet games, Vegas doesnt care about the score here. Just that they dont need to offset the action because history already said its going to be coming in at an even-enough ratio, to stay within the range of juice on the game.

One example of this would be a game that involved OSU and Michigan. If both teams have a good winning record and appear to be close to each other in comparison, then vegas already knows that the public always bets this type of game evenly when the game is played at either stadium when the line is slightly favored for the home field advantage. In other words, 2 winning programs that historically play close games when they have THE CURRENT POTENTIAL and DATA to do just that, with Vegas justifying it through the data they have, that will say the teams can score and defend about the same, based on their expertise of justifying consistencey from both sides. Make sense so far?
They know that there are many games each week this way and that they are winners when the action follows the potential of the teams. If you take those 20 games - and the juice has caused a profit regardless of the outcome,- the they just won 20 games regardless of the outcome. What needs to be added here is that you must KNOW that Vegas KNOWS these teams are going to play that way, because of the CURRENT potential to back up the historic betting volume coming in on those 20 games. They have that data to compare with, where you and I dont. So - for those 20 games on the slate, VEGAS won them all - when considering that they made money on the juice regardless of the scores.

Now to the other 20-30 remaining games that week. This is where there is lopsided action that is KNOWN to be coming in on the games. Again from Betting History.
Vegas uses their formula against the historical lopsided betting volume to their advantage because the public doesnt yet know the current potential abilty well enough of the teams, to win this type of game by the spread that Vegas puts on the game. Therefore Vegas is posting the wrong number on this game intentionally. They know from betting history that they will have maybe 60% or more on the wrong side. If we only give Vegas credit for getting 60% of the action on the wrong side of their number, on this type of game, then they just collected 66 percent of the money that showed up on it. (You add the 10% juice to the 60% of dollars that lost and they get the profit margin of 66% from losers, against the 40% that won the bets.)

Here is an example. Someone here (it may have been you" I dont recall) last year was all over Utah late in the season and for the bowl game against Bama I think. From what I heard and read, most bettors publicly were on Bama. I think that there were several commentators on Bama on TV as well. The general public perception was heavy on the Bama side. Utah didnt need the points they were given and won SU.
This is the type of game Vegas has to their historical advantage, to gain huge volumes of money on. Now, they could have lost this game and hardly anyone would realize it was actually a game to their advantage of those they know about.
But what they do have, is the line to give themselve this large advantage of the majority of the games that nearly no one knows are lined wrong in their favor.
If they have just 15 to 20 of these remaining games lined heavily in their favor that they win on, then thats how they win 60-70 percent of the slate.
My goal or your goal is the same. That is, to win as many bets as possible. But if you cant find the edge in the same games that Vegas has posted a wrong line on - on purpose - then you are just guessing at all the other games that are already going to draw even action on from historical betting habits.

This is a masterfull process that Vegas has had for more than 40 years and ONLY because they have Privleged Data that you or I dont have, and they are difficult to spot at best and nearly impossible to justify with a PRating.

Now if you had all the data/criteria in your Casino and you set the line on games - and you were they guy everyone followed, only YOU would Know WHY an HOW that number was set.

[sharpcat]

I have concluded that your user name should change. You know nothing about Vegas and the win ratio they have. You must be struggling with this win rate, because you obviously think Vegas doesnt win much.

Here is what I wrote elsewhere, some time ago.

Glad to see that you took the time to think up your uneducated conspiracy theory but you are WRONG epic fail

sportsbooks or as you refer to them "vegas" makes their money on their theoretical hold of roughly 5% depending on their linset. This means that long term the bookie should make a 5% profit on every game he takes action on win or lose he has a 5% +EV on every game he takes action on.

Books do not take sides on games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sharpcat]

And most importantly the books DO NOT WIN 60% of their games unless you are referring to moneylines of -150 or higher.

The sooner you step away from these conspiracy theories and learn to understand the true ways that the books win money and players lose money the sooner you will be able to locate weak numbers.

Understand that your job as a handicapper is to do exactly what vegas does, put your self in spots where you have a 55% chance of winning against a line with an implied probability of 52.38%. This way win or lose you made a good bet and long term will profit.

[The G-Man Wins]

Glad to see that you took the time to think up your uneducated conspiracy theory but you are WRONG epic fail

sportsbooks or as you refer to them "vegas" makes their money on their theoretical hold of roughly 5% depending on their linset. This means that long term the bookie should make a 5% profit on every game he takes action on win or lose he has a 5% +EV on every game he takes action on.

Books do not take sides on games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Too bad you are conditioned to believing what you posted about 5%. Do you then conclude that all Vegas does is post a line that draws and guarantees even action?

[The G-Man Wins]

And most importantly the books DO NOT WIN 60% of their games unless you are referring to moneylines of -150 or higher.

The sooner you step away from these conspiracy theories and learn to understand the true ways that the books win money and players lose money the sooner you will be able to locate weak numbers.

Understand that your job as a handicapper is to do exactly what vegas does, put your self in spots where you have a 55% chance of winning against a line with an implied probability of 52.38%. This way win or lose you made a good bet and long term will profit.

The Vegas line is the subject. Its the only line there is. Books just follow the numbers and accept the results.

If you think my job or anyone elses is to put myself in their spot where I have a 55% chance against the line, youre dead wrong here. You may do that and if so you arent making any money. If you really believe this and have any followers here that bond themselves to your plays and theories, they are in trouble and will only end up tailing the lost.

Money lines were NOT mentioned. What do you think is a real win ratio for the board each week? More importantly how do you think Vegas maintains that.

[sharpcat]

Too bad you are conditioned to believing what you posted about 5%. Do you then conclude that all Vegas does is post a line that draws and guarantees even action?

This would be correct, the closing number should end up very close to true value. The only time you will be likely to find a number with a 60/40 ratio on a no-vig line of 100 would be on an over night line and that number will not stick around long as the books get hit and realize they hung a weak #

Just like every other game in a casino the house is more than happy to stick with their 5% edge.

Books who take sides in games do not stay in business long.

Your theories on how the books operate is equivalent to people who believe that roulette wheels are rigged. The house has no intention to gamble they are looking for as close to even action as possible to guarantee profit. If a book leaves a weak line hanging with the intentions of attracting uneducated bettors they will ultimately get crushed by sharp gamblers resulting in the line moving towards it true value.

Casinos are built around mathematical probabilities I suggest you take time to learn and understand this subject.

The big question here is what evidence do you have to support your claims? is this just a theory of yours or do you have solid evidence to support this?

[sharpcat]

Justin7 may we please have this thread permanently removed from the think tank? The QH syndicate has taking over this thread.

[TakeIt]

Justin7 may we please have this thread permanently removed from the think tank?

why? i want to learn how the books know when to take a side on a game. i want to learn how to get this "historical data" and use it to my advantage.

i'm sure the op will address this soon.

[The G-Man Wins]

This would be correct, the closing number should end up very close to true value. The only time you will be likely to find a number with a 60/40 ratio on a no-vig line of 100 would be on an over night line and that number will not stick around long as the books get hit and realize they hung a weak #

Just like every other game in a casino the house is more than happy to stick with their 5% edge.

Books who take sides in games do not stay in business long.


The big question here is what evidence do you have to support your claims? is this just a theory of yours or do you have solid evidence to support this?

True they dont stay in business long. The problem is they dont know the side any better than the gambler. They do win though when staying on the line Vegas posted or laying off one-sided money thats too large for them.

If you believe Vegas can guarantee a 50/50 split on action for the whole board then you are whats known as conditioned public.
Next time you stop on a forum for football, try and count the percentages of bets that are even.

Also to further prove that your assumption is wrong, then how in the hell can you say a Book doesnt stay in business long that takes sides? Didnt you just admit 'Vegas guarantees a line that draws even 50/50 action???

If that was true then Vegas would have a 50/50 chance to lose and they dont. No prudent business would ever take millions of dollars of unpredictable bets from the public knowing they have a 50/50 chance to lose.

As fas a math models, tables games are nothing like football wagers. The odds on a roulette wheel, or card table is set in stone and uses only 7 seats at BJack or a limited ratio on the roulette wheel that guarantees the house the ball will only land on one number. with losing bets on the others.

Y

I wont show what proves the reasoning I have for the post I made about win percentages for Vegas. I do have solid facts that made this a reality and Ive been using it for 16 years.

But when you say they guarantee even action, what basis do you have that shows it in print?

My proof is on any book that post bets made, that the majority of games never have even action. Plenty of forums, that post a consensus, validate it every week.
Remember this, Vegas never said their lines were even or fair. Its their line, you have to decide what side you like.

[nenad]

everybody are

[MonkeyF0cker]

If that was true then Vegas would have a 50/50 chance to lose and they dont. No prudent business would ever take millions of dollars of unpredictable bets from the public knowing they have a 50/50 chance to lose.

Ever heard of a little thing called vigorish?

[Flying Dutchman]

G-spot, I'm done...I'll not waste more time on dizzy clowns.

[The G-Man Wins]

Ever heard of a little thing called vigorish?

Hey Monkey.

If you understood the post in window #127 you wouldnt have simply risked millions of $$$ in bets, just for juice that CANT be guaranteed.

Youre tailing the thinking of the conditioned public with the same response that Low Flying Dutchman, and Sharpcat tail.

I have no problem accepting all those who believe in that "conditioning." Its their losing season they have to put up with.

No one can show this forum a slate of games with a live betting forum, that has anything BUT, unbalanced betting on nearly every game on the board. And plenty of games even have 60-70% of unbalance in the bets.

[The G-Man Wins]

G-spot, I'm done...I'll not waste more time on dizzy clowns.

Thanks. I'll hold you to that.