[BigDofBA]

A lot of people here think Stoops sucks and Meyer is a god.

Now is your chance. Are you guys pounding the Buckeyes on the road here?

OU lost at Houston and Ohio State has looked unbeatable.

[Memento]

A lot of people here think Stoops sucks and Meyer is a god.

Now is your chance. Are you guys pounding the Buckeyes on the road here?

OU lost at Houston and Ohio State has looked unbeatable.

I'm not pounding them, but yes I think they win. Might put them in a ML parlay.

[Tboonepickem]

ML Parlay definitely. Just off glance, right now this is looking good;

Ohio St -135

WKU -17 -110 (Away @ Miami OH)

Pays 3:1

or

WKU -17 -110

Bowling Green +200

Ohio State -135

Pays 9:1

[Tboonepickem]

Middle Tenn on a back to back road game, coming off a Vandy loss that was supposed to be close/live dog.

I'll take anyone's action against against WKU. Renewing pro tonight or tom.

[survive]

A lot of people here think Stoops sucks and Meyer is a god.

Now is your chance. Are you guys pounding the Buckeyes on the road here?

OU lost at Houston and Ohio State has looked unbeatable.

What are your thoughts big d? You're an OU guy so interested to hear

[TPowell]

OU is the better team straight up and you get points with them AT HOME. I layed 4 in the summer in this game and I put down a good chunk on +2.5 when it opened as well. OSU is too young to come into Norman and win, especially as the clear favorite

[ZINISTER]

Yes OSU is young and extremely talented. Young well coached talent makes for a good football team. The LT(True Frosh) is projected to be the next Orlando Pace. The RB runs harder then ZEK. He is not better-yet. QB CHECK When Buckeyes play these type of games, the coaches bring a whole other game plan. They run grab bag offense in the off games. When they play big games they have a goal, a game long plan to transition from one situation to the next. We have far better coaching. The DB's are the problem I see with them. Pressure and take away the scrambling and you win the game easily. The Buckeyes push this team around like the kid that failed twice did to ya in 3 grade.lol

[t-wizzle]

I took Oklahoma +1.5

[BigDofBA]

What are your thoughts big d? You're an OU guy so interested to hear

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...orries-me.html

I called the Houston game. As for this game, I feel pretty good about OU winning.

In the Houston thread I stated Stoops coaches better as s dog. Same holds true here. The last four times Stoops has been an underdog, he has won straight up. Those wins include games at Florida State and as a 17 point underdog to a really good Bama team.

Stoops has more success in big games than people realize. Anyway....Ohio State is very talented but they're young and untested. This is their first test and it's on the road. Ohio State will come in feeling good about themselves while OU will be playing for their season.

I think OU will win by 7-10, jump back in the top 8, and everyone will be back on the hype train. After that, they'll probably lose to TCU or Texas. I like OU ML here and then I would fade them the next two games.

This game won't make or break Ohio State's season. They'll get better as the year goes on and could still be a playoff team even if they drop this one.

I feel like OU could win here but still be a 9-3 type team. They have too many holes and people didn't really realize what they lost from last year. It's great to have your backfield back but when you lose the best WR the school has had, o-linemen and your linebackers.....your're not going to be as good.

OU will be jacked for this game though and be he more desperate team.

[survive]

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...orries-me.html

I called the Houston game. As for this game, I feel pretty good about OU winning.

In the Houston thread I stated Stoops coaches better as s dog. Same holds true here. The last four times Stoops has been an underdog, he has won straight up. Those wins include games at Florida State and as a 17 point underdog to a really good Bama team.

Stoops has more success in big games than people realize. Anyway....Ohio State is very talented but they're young and untested. This is their first test and it's on the road. Ohio State will come in feeling good about themselves while OU will be playing for their season.

I think OU will win by 7-10, jump back in the top 8, and everyone will be back on the hype train. After that, they'll probably lose to TCU or Texas. I like OU ML here and then I would fade them the next two games.

This game won't make or break Ohio State's season. They'll get better as the year goes on and could still be a playoff team even if they drop this one.

I feel like OU could win here but still be a 9-3 type team. They have too many wholes and people didn't really realize what they lost from last year. It's great to have your backfield back but when you lose the best WR the school has had, o-linemen and your linebackers.....your're not going to be as good.

OU will be jacked for this game though and be he more desperate team.

Totally agree, really good analysis. To add it seems like Vegas is comfortable backing OU here as it looks like they made the line knowing OSU would get a lot of action

[Grits n' Gravy]

Stoops does suck but he has the players to win this game if he can stay out of their way.

[phil_abuster]

hmmm.
interesting points, fellas.
heres a slightly different take as food for thought to other readers.
this yr ou is 1-1,
having lost to the good opp they played (houston) allowing 33 pts against.
osu is arguably better than houston!
and ou defeated a cupcake team (ulm) by 42 pts, allowing the cupcakes to score 17 AT HOME!

osu this yr is 2-0
the two teams to which they handed a beat down are hardly cupcakes!
both were bowl teams last yr.
tulsa narrowly lost the independence bowl to vtech (52-55)
and bowlinggreen won the MAC last yr with a 10-3 record!
osu whupped tulsa by 45 pts - allowing only 3 against!!
osu whupped bowling by a whopping 67 pts - allowing only 10 against!!

so a cupcake team scores 17 on ou, and they allow a very good team to score 33.
but the 2 not-cupcake teams can muster only 13 pts combined on osu!!

plus ou is dealing with several injury issues - mostly on defense!
so i figure if a cupcake can put up 17 in norman then osu can put up at least 34 (regulation)
if ou is going to win they will have to score 35+ on osu (regulation)

i dont see that happening UNLESS ou gets lucky and benefits from a few turnovers.

the loser is most likely out of realistic playoff discussion.

[TPowell]

hmmm.
interesting points, fellas.
heres a slightly different take as food for thought to other readers.
this yr ou is 1-1,
having lost to the good opp they played (houston) allowing 33 pts against.
osu is arguably better than houston!
and ou defeated a cupcake team (ulm) by 42 pts, allowing the cupcakes to score 17 AT HOME!

osu this yr is 2-0
the two teams to which they handed a beat down are hardly cupcakes!
both were bowl teams last yr.
tulsa narrowly lost the independence bowl to vtech (52-55)
and bowlinggreen won the MAC last yr with a 10-3 record!
osu whupped tulsa by 45 pts - allowing only 3 against!!
osu whupped bowling by a whopping 67 pts - allowing only 10 against!!

so a cupcake team scores 17 on ou, and they allow a very good team to score 33.
but the 2 not-cupcake teams can muster only 13 pts combined on osu!!

plus ou is dealing with several injury issues - mostly on defense!
so i figure if a cupcake can put up 17 in norman then osu can put up at least 34 (regulation)
if ou is going to win they will have to score 35+ on osu (regulation)

i dont see that happening UNLESS ou gets lucky and benefits from a few turnovers.

the loser is most likely out of realistic playoff discussion.

So many issues here. One, bowling Green last year would be a 7 point fave over this year's squad. Oklahoma wasn't that banged up when I looked earlier in the week earlier. Osu will be without their projected starter at safety and dt who are both out. Houston had a flukey field goal return td that made that game seem more lopsided than it was. Lastly, that game was in Houston against a team that never gets to play powers like our, much less in their city.

[phil_abuster]

So many issues here. One, bowling Green last year would be a 7 point fave over this year's squad. Oklahoma wasn't that banged up when I looked earlier in the week earlier. Osu will be without their projected starter at safety and dt who are both out. Houston had a flukey field goal return td that made that game seem more lopsided than it was. Lastly, that game was in Houston against a team that never gets to play powers like our, much less in their city.

ok. fair points
houston did appear to have the edge in play and deserved that win - whether by 10 or just 3.
certainly i believe had the game been played in norman the result would b flipped!
although now they face an arguably tougher opponent.

the updated injury issues to ou appear to b concentrated with the all important front 7. as they say, the games r won/lost in the trenches. osu has a few injury issues too ,but not so concentrated in that key area of concern. they will fill them or play hurt but will they be as effective in this key area?

meanwhile ou did allow a cupcake to score 17 in norman and put up 350 net yards! thats a biggie red-flag!
osu blew out much stronger teams than la-monroe.
and they kept those "much stronger teams" down to just 10 pts with only 244 net yards and followed up in week 2 allowing only 3 pts and 188 net yards
the comparisons clearly favor osu

if cupcake la-monroe can march into norman and score 17, then osu should score at least 34+ and possibly more if the ou front 7 is seriously hurting. (of course barring net turnovers favoring ou)
if it might be reasoned that ou may very well exceed 33 pts against osu, then i wonder if maybe an OVER 64 might be a much safer bet.
thoughts??

mind u i am no osu fan, nor anti-ou. more of an army-navy-airforce fan; having served.
im actually kinda pulling for ou given the massive expectations they had entering this season.
a loss to the buckeyes at home would b devastating to the season - particulary w/ their next 2 games being roadies @tcu and @texas. they could be 1-4 before getting ksu at home in mid-october.
or 4-1

i havent laid a bet down on this game yet. close call.

[TPowell]

ok. fair points
houston did appear to have the edge in play and deserved that win - whether by 10 or just 3.
certainly i believe had the game been played in norman the result would b flipped!
although now they face an arguably tougher opponent.

the updated injury issues to ou appear to b concentrated with the all important front 7. as they say, the games r won/lost in the trenches. osu has a few injury issues too ,but not so concentrated in that key area of concern. they will fill them or play hurt but will they be as effective in this key area?

meanwhile ou did allow a cupcake to score 17 in norman and put up 350 net yards! thats a biggie red-flag!
osu blew out much stronger teams than la-monroe.
and they kept those "much stronger teams" down to just 10 pts with only 244 net yards and followed up in week 2 allowing only 3 pts and 188 net yards
the comparisons clearly favor osu

if cupcake la-monroe can march into norman and score 17, then osu should score at least 34+ and possibly more if the ou front 7 is seriously hurting. (of course barring net turnovers favoring ou)
if it might be reasoned that ou may very well exceed 33 pts against osu, then i wonder if maybe an OVER 64 might be a much safer bet.
thoughts??

mind u i am no osu fan, nor anti-ou. more of an army-navy-airforce fan; having served.
im actually kinda pulling for ou given the massive expectations they had entering this season.
a loss to the buckeyes at home would b devastating to the season - particulary w/ their next 2 games being roadies @tcu and @texas. they could be 1-4 before getting ksu at home in mid-october.
or 4-1

i havent laid a bet down on this game yet. close call.

You can't take anything away from scrubs scoring 7-10 against 17 points in a blowout with a huge game like this on the horizon. Oklahoma should be about a touchdown favorite or more by my preseason numbers and I see no reason to change either team much after 2 games

[BigDofBA]

hmmm.
interesting points, fellas.
heres a slightly different take as food for thought to other readers.
this yr ou is 1-1,
having lost to the good opp they played (houston) allowing 33 pts against.
osu is arguably better than houston!
and ou defeated a cupcake team (ulm) by 42 pts, allowing the cupcakes to score 17 AT HOME!

osu this yr is 2-0
the two teams to which they handed a beat down are hardly cupcakes!
both were bowl teams last yr.
tulsa narrowly lost the independence bowl to vtech (52-55)
and bowlinggreen won the MAC last yr with a 10-3 record!
osu whupped tulsa by 45 pts - allowing only 3 against!!
osu whupped bowling by a whopping 67 pts - allowing only 10 against!!

so a cupcake team scores 17 on ou, and they allow a very good team to score 33.
but the 2 not-cupcake teams can muster only 13 pts combined on osu!!

plus ou is dealing with several injury issues - mostly on defense!
so i figure if a cupcake can put up 17 in norman then osu can put up at least 34 (regulation)
if ou is going to win they will have to score 35+ on osu (regulation)

i dont see that happening UNLESS ou gets lucky and benefits from a few turnovers.

the loser is most likely out of realistic playoff discussion.

After reading this post, it's obvious you didn't watch OU/ULM or Ohio State/Tulsa. You're just looking at box scores and stats.

I graduated from OU and live in Tulsa so I watch a lot of those teams. Tulsa's defense is absolutely horrible and it was a 6-3 game at Ohio State late in the second quarter. Then Tulsa had some of the worst playcalling I've seen in my life and threwtwo pick six to go down 20-3. Ohio State's offense didn't look impressive the first half. It was vanilla playcalling but against Tulsa they should be able to get whatever they want.

In the second half, Tulsa threw in the towel and Ohio State's starters played the entire game and ran it up in garbage time...that' leads me to another point.

You talk about OU giving up 17 points to ULM at home...THAT GAME WAS 42-0 at HALFTIME! OU pulled its starters unlike Ohio State. Are you really going to gauge how good OU's defense is by what the backups did in a blowout?

Also, if you watched the OU/Houston game, you would know that OU's defense gave up 24 points. Houston scored a TD on a return. Giving up 24 to Houston is pretty good imo.

You talk about all these injury issues OU has...please enlighten me because I don't know of many. OU held out some players and suspended some guys last week but that's because they were playing ULM. Obviously you didn't watch the game....not that I blame you, just saying.

After reading this, I hope you don't think I'm a homer. If you want proof I'm not a homer, please look at the thread in which I said Houston +11 was a great bet and went on to say I thought Houston had a good chance to win straight up. As an OU fan, Houston worries me. Houston exploited OU's linebackers and had a big return TD on specials teams that I eluded to before the game...

You can't handicap by looking at box scores and stats. Ohio State might win the game but I feel like Vegas is comfortable taking all the Ohio State money on this game. I have several reasons to back OU here even though I think they'll still be like a 9-3 team. None of my reasons have to do with what OU's backups did against ULM or what Ohio State did to Tulsa.

OU should be -6.5 here.

[phil_abuster]

After reading this post, it's obvious you didn't watch OU/ULM or Ohio State Tulsa. You're just looking at box scores and stats....
OU should be -6.5 here.

correct. i could not view either of those games.
i handicap all fbs teams weekly but cant watch every game, only watch maybe 10-12 games.
i suspect this is true of 99% of all bettors. so like everyone else we do our best with other tools.
(i wish there was a site where we could watch the archived games from each weekend concluded)
yes, osu would of course keep their starters in a blowout because afterall they are only returning 6 and they need the game experience bigtime. but now that u mention it, if anything, this means the osu starters now have more 2016 playing experience than the ou starters this yr! 2 full games vs only 1.5 games.
still, osu hung a beat down on last yrs 10-3 Mac champs in game one and in neither game did they yield more than 250 yds despite the fact osu is mostly composed of NON returning-starters to begin with!! i might anticipate such a result if osu was returning 15+ starters, but not with only 6. which indicates this buckeyes team has mega talent and good coaching. meanwhile ou didnt look impressive in their opener to houston. we all expected more. they looked vulnerable. and even against a cupcake team AT HOME and playing a lot of backups in the second half, i still would not anticipate a very good team yielding 17 pts and 350 net yds! way too much against a cupcake. and now they r facing an arguably stronger opponent. thats the bottom line imo. evidently vegas and all the offshores agree.

thanks for your polite/friendly/intelligent reply.
i nominated your post for that reason

[BigDofBA]

correct. i could not view either of those games.
i handicap all fbs teams weekly but cant watch every game, only watch maybe 10-12 games.
i suspect this is true of 99% of all bettors. so like everyone else we do our best with other tools.
(i wish there was a site where we could watch the archived games from each weekend concluded)
yes, osu would of course keep their starters in a blowout because afterall they are only returning 6 and they need the game experience bigtime. but now that u mention it, if anything, this means the osu starters now have more 2016 playing experience than the ou starters this yr! 2 full games vs only 1.5 games.
still, osu hung a beat down on last yrs 10-3 Mac champs in game one and in neither game did they yield more than 250 yds despite the fact osu is mostly composed of NON returning-starters to begin with!! i might anticipate such a result if osu was returning 15+ starters, but not with only 6. which indicates this buckeyes team has mega talent and good coaching. meanwhile ou didnt look impressive in their opener to houston. we all expected more. they looked vulnerable. and even against a cupcake team AT HOME and playing a lot of backups in the second half, i still would not anticipate a very good team yielding 17 pts and 350 net yds! way too much against a cupcake. and now they r facing an arguably stronger opponent. thats the bottom line imo. evidently vegas and all the offshores agree.

thanks for your polite/friendly/intelligent reply.
i nominated your post for that reason

I wouldn't blame you for taking Ohio State. OU has issues on the o-line, unproven receivers, and issues with their linebackers.

I just don't think the ULM or Tulsa games are good barometers for each team.

[Mac4Lyfe]

It's very hard to look back last week, 2 weeks or last year and compare good losses or bad wins. Just because one team looked good last week had no bearing on how they will look this week. My opinion is that Defense usually wins these type of games. I trust OSU's defense much more than OU's. I also trust Urban Meyer more than Stoops.

[BigDofBA]

I trust OSU's defense much more than OU's. I also trust Urban Meyer more than Stoops.

Those are very good reasons. Do you trust underclassmen facing their first real test on the road in a hostile environment?

That's what I'm banking on. OU will be desperate. OSU could still win but if they do it's going to be a tough victory.

[coitus_maximus]

Norman is a real tough place to play IMO, but most everyone I spoke to is on Ohio State and they believe it will be an easy victory.

[GoBlue77]

I'm not pounding them, but yes I think they win. Might put them in a ML parlay.

same

[House]

This has upset written all over it guys ..... to many freshman starting for OSU

[blap10]

OU should have a better defensive game plan in this one, as OSU has a very similar offense to Houston's with the Herman influence. I still like OSU though in a close game. I'm thinking OSU ML is the way to go here. Looking forward to some good football this weekend!

[ZINISTER]

I have said in the past, I don't understand OSU's play calling. Then in the "Big" games, the play calls exploit the hell out of opponents. After seeing this time and time again, I get the feeling Urban does this on purpose. If you are NOT betting the Buckeyes, you shouldn't be betting on OU. They are not a good play here. I'm a homer OSU, but I bet against em' also. Line Domination on both sides of the ball.

[actiondan]

I took Oklahoma +1.5

fml

[ZINISTER]

You would have to think Urban and Herman had a phone call take place at some point post OU win. OSU has power OU can't handle. In the trenches is where this will be played. With an occasional deep strike. Sprinkle in some intermediate passing. A QB that can take off at any minute. JT will be on point this game. Fellas quit fighting it just jump the fock on this before lines get run up on this team! They are making a National Championship run with this young team. No average team is going to beat them. OU already hasn't lived up to the hype. Think they will beat a team like OSU? GL

[Snowball]

You would have to think Urban and Herman had a phone call take place at some point post OU win. OSU has power OU can't handle. In the trenches is where this will be played. With an occasional deep strike. Sprinkle in some intermediate passing. A QB that can take off at any minute. JT will be on point this game. Fellas quit fighting it just jump the fock on this before lines get run up on this team! They are making a National Championship run with this young team. No average team is going to beat them. OU already hasn't lived up to the hype. Think they will beat a team like OSU? GL

We have to fade Oklahoma here and go with OSU.
The line is a work of fiction and hype.

[Easy-Rider 66]

OSU Wins.

[phil_abuster]

correct. i could not view either of those games.
i handicap all fbs teams weekly but cant watch every game, only watch maybe 10-12 games.
i suspect this is true of 99% of all bettors. so like everyone else we do our best with other tools.
(i wish there was a site where we could watch the archived games from each weekend concluded)
yes, osu would of course keep their starters in a blowout because afterall they are only returning 6 and they need the game experience bigtime. but now that u mention it, if anything, this means the osu starters now have more 2016 playing experience than the ou starters this yr! 2 full games vs only 1.5 games.
still, osu hung a beat down on last yrs 10-3 Mac champs in game one and in neither game did they yield more than 250 yds despite the fact osu is mostly composed of NON returning-starters to begin with!! i might anticipate such a result if osu was returning 15+ starters, but not with only 6. which indicates this buckeyes team has mega talent and good coaching. meanwhile ou didnt look impressive in their opener to houston. we all expected more. they looked vulnerable. and even against a cupcake team AT HOME and playing a lot of backups in the second half, i still would not anticipate a very good team yielding 17 pts and 350 net yds! way too much against a cupcake. and now they r facing an arguably stronger opponent. thats the bottom line imo. evidently vegas and all the offshores agree.

thanks for your polite/friendly/intelligent reply.
i nominated your post for that reason

WOW!
couldnt view this game. only the final score.
thankfully this was one of my few winners today.
it seems the teams i discussed with analysis won, but all the others lost
will have to post more analysis maybe that will turn my luck around

[JayDr3am]

meyers being 19-0 on the road against ranked teams is ridiculously impressive. now 20-0..

[JAKEPEAVY21]

Stoops is absolute garbage

came up nicely on the Buckeyes

[Mac4Lyfe]

It's very hard to look back last week, 2 weeks or last year and compare good losses or bad wins. Just because one team looked good last week had no bearing on how they will look this week. My opinion is that Defense usually wins these type of games. I trust OSU's defense much more than OU's. I also trust Urban Meyer more than Stoops.

Big Flop Bob
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"SpongeBob SquarePants bowl flop"
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bubba stoops
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[TPowell]

Unreal, no way OSU lives off turnovers all year though. Think Sparty clips them to be honest. Seems like a good matchup in my head.