1. 02-19-13 03:36 PM #1
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    bellator 90 (2/21/13)

    lines are available on 5d (not showing on BFO yet)

    Bellator 90 - Featherweight 3 rounds - The Maverik
    Center - West Valley City, Utah - Spike TV
    Thu 2/21 2001 Shahbulat Shamhalaev +130 o2½ -165
    11:59PM 2002 Rad Martinez -170 u2½ +125
    Bellator 90 - Light Heavyweight 3 rounds - The
    Maverik Center - West Valley City, Utah - Spike TV
    Thu 2/21 2101 Emanuel Newton +450 o2½ -120
    11:30PM 2102 Muhammed Lawal -750 u2½ -120
    Bellator 90 - Light Heavyweight 3 rounds - The Maverik Center - West Valley City, Utah - Spike TV
    Thu 2/21 2201 Mikhail Zayats -230 o1½ +100
    11:00PM 2202 Jacob Noe +170 u1½ -140
    Bellator 90 - Welterweight 3 rounds - The Maverik
    Center - West Valley City, Utah - Spike TV
    Thu 2/21 2301 Bryan Baker +180 o2½ +105
    10:30PM 2302 Douglas Lima -260 u2½ -145
    Bellator 90 - Welterweight 3 rounds - The Maverik
    Center - West Valley City, Utah - Spike TV
    Thu 2/21 2401 Raul Amaya +280 o2½ -165
    10:00PM 2402 Ben Saunders -400 u2½ +125
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  2. 02-19-13 03:44 PM #2
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    Can't believe Newton is the dog here.
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  3. 02-19-13 03:46 PM #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by NunyaBidness View Post
    Can't believe Newton is the dog here.
    Wut?
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  4. 02-19-13 03:47 PM #4
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    Amaya vs Saunders again?! WTF
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  5. 02-19-13 03:48 PM #5
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    You think they call him The Hardcore Kid because of his taste in music?
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  6. 02-19-13 03:48 PM #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughany View Post
    Amaya vs Saunders again?! WTF
    Gotta give Saunders another win to justify his payday.
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  7. 02-19-13 03:57 PM #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by NunyaBidness View Post
    Gotta give Saunders another win to justify his payday.
    yeah.

    (Insert "I aint got time for that" meme again)
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  8. 02-20-13 11:48 AM #8
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    Gotta say, line movement has me stymied this time around. Almost every one of my bets the market has moved against me.
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  9. 02-20-13 11:50 AM #9
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    I'm taking Lima and Shamhalaev here.
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  10. 02-20-13 12:00 PM #10
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    My Plays

    Sham +105 ( can see him picking apart Rad all night )
    Zayats -230 ( Just the better fighter )
    Baker/Lima u2.5 +130 ( like Lima but at str8 odds ill pass and hope he catches him at +130 )
    Amaya/Saunder o2.5 +130 ( Amaya took it to the cards with him last year!! He is better now then he was then, not good enough to win BUT good enough to make the cards....again + odds are a value.)

    Good Luck Gents!!!
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  11. 02-20-13 12:04 PM #11
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    I like Sham and Zayats
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  12. 02-20-13 12:09 PM #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grabaka View Post
    I like Sham and Zayats
    Sweet, we are both on Sham. If history has anything to teach us, it is that when we are both on the same fighter, we are never wrong.
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  13. 02-20-13 12:20 PM #13
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    Sac you dont like Zyats tonight?
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  15. 02-20-13 12:54 PM #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by flickavic View Post
    Sac you dont like Zyats tonight?
    I do, had to think about it for a bit, the line isnt great. Regardless, Zayats has been locked in.

    Lets make it happen comrades.
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  16. 02-20-13 01:02 PM #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by NunyaBidness View Post
    Can't believe Newton is the dog here.
    Love Newton, I think he has potential to become someone on the future but Moe is a VERY difficult match for him.
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  17. 02-20-13 02:42 PM #17
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    Rad -135. Mo -750.
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  18. 02-20-13 10:05 PM #18
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    Wish I could have got the opener on rad... still tempted to take him at my book's opener of -200..

    don't see much value for sham, horrible style match up for him imo and I think his sloppy kickboxing isn't necessarily above rad's ever-evolving boxing. I def give the rusky the stand up edge, but not by much and rad always has his legit grappling base to utilize. Sham's grappling is pretty much an unkown, I wasn't sold on any sort of legit defense based on the bollinger fight..I know cody is a wrestler but his two td attempts were attrocious and the fact he has zero stand up and basically flopped in that fight leaves me with question marks about sham's grappling. Taking into account sham's past level of mma comp and some of the pretty weak kickboxing footage I've seen (its seriously some of the sloppiest striking I've ever seen for a champion kickboxer and whatever kickboxing org he became champion in must be full of cans) I have a hard time seeing value in him at anything under +230...

    Who else is backing rad..anyone still think there's value in the -175-200 range?

    Only see people here backing Sham..why you guys like him to upset, what's the argument?
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  19. 02-20-13 11:02 PM #19
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    ^ Shah is a tricky fighter he has the ability to end the fight with one strike. Mike Richman is a much better boxer than Rad Martinez they both have similar styles richman and martinez when it comes to striking, martinez holds his chin up high his hands low and his defense is worst than richman's. Anything can happen sure but I think Shamhalaev has a higher chance to stop the fight at any point in the fight. He hits with force, force and shock that goes through his opponents they can't take the weight of many strikes by him. Rad Martinez is a good fighter but he hasn't fought anyone worth talking about. This is a match up of 2 up and comers and I think Sham has more potential, he comes from a good russian team (Goretz) and now trains with red fury with Khabib Nurmagomedov who is a better wrestler than Martinez.

    I think Sham is better
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  20. 02-20-13 11:51 PM #20
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    It's interesting to note that the Rad/Sham line isn't approximating the original line at all.

    http://bestfightodds.com/events/bell...ionship-83-621

    What has changed in two months?

    If the close doesn't approach the original I'm going to just go ahead and say the market is meaningless in MMA.
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  21. 02-21-13 12:11 AM #21
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    Well Sham missing weight obviously changes things. This event is in Utah also.
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  22. 02-21-13 12:14 AM #22
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    I do think the line will come back down though. i hope.
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  23. 02-21-13 02:38 AM #23
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    he was off by .8 of a pound

    probably had something to do with the midnight weigh in

    who weighs in on midnight ?




    looks like he got in some street brawl and got skull fukd
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  25. 02-21-13 08:22 AM #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by omalley21 View Post
    Well Sham missing weight obviously changes things. This event is in Utah also.
    The line was off before weigh in.
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  26. 02-21-13 09:04 AM #26
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    It was not a midnight weigh in. The line was -145 at 5d before weigh ins, -160 at sportsbook. Not off by much.
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  27. 02-21-13 12:29 PM #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by flickavic View Post
    Sham +105 ( can see him picking apart Rad all night )
    Zayats -230 ( Just the better fighter )
    Baker/Lima u2.5 +130 ( like Lima but at str8 odds ill pass and hope he catches him at +130 )
    Amaya/Saunder o2.5 +130 ( Amaya took it to the cards with him last year!! He is better now then he was then, not good enough to win BUT good enough to make the cards....again + odds are a value.)

    Good Luck Gents!!!
    flik, where'd u get Amaya/Saunders o2.5 +130 at...it's +100/-130 at 5dimes now...pinny has only ml, and b365 doesn't do bellator at all
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  28. 02-21-13 01:00 PM #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by fitguy67 View Post
    flik, where'd u get Amaya/Saunders o2.5 +130 at...it's +100/-130 at 5dimes now...pinny has only ml, and b365 doesn't do bellator at all
    it was 5dimes
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  29. 02-21-13 01:04 PM #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by flickavic View Post
    Sham +105 ( can see him picking apart Rad all night )
    !
    Ouch, that suck! If that me I am in huge trouble.
    If I am on Sham +105 to start, than
    $250 on Sham +115, than
    $250 on Sham +135, than
    $500 on Sham +150, than
    $500 on Sham +170, than without me knowing it I will have 2g+ on Sham.

    How do I stop myself from over bet when line move against me? This happen to me on Struve vs Hunt. I bet like 7 times since Struve lines keep getting better and I end up having 5.6g+ on Struve. Thanks god that fight got cancel!! phewwww, it will not be a pleasant fight to sweat. Do you guys have this problem?

    It like you buy an high end TV for $3600, than next month+ the same TV is $2000. What logic can I use not to buy the 2nd TV?
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    lmao
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  31. 02-21-13 01:14 PM #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by GigaOuts View Post
    Ouch, that suck! If that me I am in huge trouble.
    If I am on Sham +105 to start, than
    $250 on Sham +115, than
    $250 on Sham +135, than
    $500 on Sham +150, than
    $500 on Sham +170, than without me knowing it I will have 2g+ on Sham.

    How do I stop myself from over bet when line move against me? This happen to me on Struve vs Hunt. I bet like 7 times since Struve lines keep getting better and I end up having 5.6g+ on Struve. Thanks god that fight got cancel!! phewwww, it will not be a pleasant fight to sweat. Do you guys have this problem?

    It like you buy an high end TV for $3600, than next month+ the same TV is $2000. What logic can I use not to buy the 2nd TV?
    has to be a troll,
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    Quote Originally Posted by GigaOuts View Post
    It like you buy an high end TV for $3600, than next month+ the same TV is $2000. What logic can I use not to buy the 2nd TV?

    Why you need so many TVs?
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  33. 02-21-13 03:29 PM #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by NunyaBidness View Post
    Why you need so many TVs?
    That is a good logic I guess. It just that I feel I got a really good deal, now I am getting much better deal! It hard to turn it down...lol. I guess I am the only 1 having this problem.
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  34. 02-21-13 04:02 PM #34
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    My point is that TVs aren't an appropriate comparison.

    Yes, you should add on to your bet when a line keeps moving against you, use ganchrow's spreadsheet for proper staking.
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    lol so he can conduct cerebral analysis whilst watching multiple different fights at same time
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