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yeah I didn't word tht very well, I meant head kicks and knees (which are big part of Overeem's game). Obviously the other main reason for doing it is that it's hard to punch down and connect on the chin when you are so low to the ground!Originally Posted by Lick496
Well, I was talking about punching, so I dunno why Vaughany stepped in to correct me.
Jones is pretty tall, so he is in a nice punch/uppercut range when he does that, but his speed/movement will keep him from getting hit when he does that.
Machida would have had to of gotten on his knees to uppercut Jones
Have you ever tried punching somebody who is 3 foot off the ground?
That is a SEVERE exaggeration. Machida and Rampage could have EASILY uppercutted a Jon Jones who is standing still in front of them in that position. It would be a CLEAN shot. Why waste a post with this extreme exaggeration, I don't get it. If Machida got on his knees, he would have to punch up to touch Jon's chin, it wouldn't be an uppercut.
In that position, Jon's head is at the height of the opponents groin, not ankles.
A) When Jones is in that position, I'm sure he is above 4 feet. B) Yeah, I would easily knock someone out with an uppercut if they were in that position 3 feet off the ground in front of me.
Last edited by gabe; 12-15-11 at 10:48 AM.
No different than punching a midget.
ha how many midgets have u punched u bastard!
every one who has looked at me wrong.
They all look wrong.
I'm with Vaughany here. Punching somebody that low isn't easy and they probably never train to punch at that angle. There's actually a very powerful (very hard to stop) takedown that Jones could do from there that we used to call "The Dive". I haven't seen anybody use it yet in MMA. I think Jones could easily catch some guys with it.
We weren't talking about whether it'd be easy or not lol of course it wouldn't be easy, especially 'cos of the movement.
He was saying Machida would have to get on his knees to reach Jones' chin. I was saying that's not true. I've seen a lot of fighters start upercutting opponents as soon as they fall to their knees, so it's easy to hit someone who is that low- just not easy when they're moving around like Jon Jones.
"The Dive" sounds interesting, would be sweet if he used it. I get excited about new maneuvers being used for the first time in the Octagon.
Lesnar will beat Overeem. He has better cardio. If he gets on top of Overeem just once, it will all be over.
What? Who? I can't recall ever seeing this.
ha yeah, I was starting to think I was the only one who was confused! Would love to here some examples?
IMO -- you're right. The question is -- will it happen once?
You guys haven't seen a fighter get knocked down to his knees then take more punches? WTF?
Pretty sure Maynard did it to Edgar, I've seen it a lot
Mark Hunt vs Chris Tuchscherer. Chris shot in at the end I think and ate an uppercut. He was pretty much finished well before that IMO as he took a substantial amount of heavy shots.
Yes we have but gettin stunned and then taking more punches is completely different to monkey-crawling out like Jones' does as they aren't in a position to defend themselves properly.
That wasn't the argument. You were saying it wouldn't be possible to punch someone in the face in that position. You said you'd have to get on your knees to reach a face-shot. I was saying it would be very possible, unless they're moving around like Jon Jones.
Yeah and I was obviously talking about it in the context of moving like Jon Jones seeing as I originally said that Lesnar should copy him!
It escalated from there. You said Machida would have to be on his knees to be able to punch Jon Jones in the face in that position.
I said I've seen fighters who have knocked opponents down to their knees then continued with shots to the face, then you said you had never seen it and asked for examples.
I don't know, you're confusing, man.
Misunderstanding... I thought you were saying you've seen a lot of fighters that get knocked down to their knees that retaliate by uppercutting the 'standing' opponent. I was trying to think of a fighter that had thrown an uppercut from their knees.
Ha.
No, meant they get knocked to their knees, then eat some uppercuts.
can we get back to the fight?
Frank Mir is saying Brock has a 90% of winning because he can take him down. That doesn't really scare me because I believe Overeem can sub him off his back in round one at least until he gasses out. If this fight gets to round 2 Overeem is done. Brock has a nice gas tank for this size.
Which fights have you seen him gas in? I haven't seen many of his fights, so I don't know how to perceive his gas tank. It didn't seem too bad against Werdum, if my memory serves me right.
I view the "monkey crawling" as a mental tactic. When the bout first starts JJ's opponent is looking down, then the beast stands at full height...
On the topic of Overeem vs Lesnar: I highly doubt Allistairs ability to submit Brock from the bottom. The only sub I feel Ubereem could pull off would be a guillotine choke from TDD, but obviously this will wear on his arms.
If Brock takes Allistair down, Allistair will want to stand up very quickly rather than fishing for subs.
Neither fighter has proven their cardio. I give Brock a slight edge in the cardio based on his wrestling background. If the fight goes into "deep waters" his superior wrestling should be able to take a tired Allistair down and keep him there.
Brock has everything to gain and nothing to lose with this fight.
At this point in time I pick Allistair in this fight mainly due to Brocks surgery. %wise I feel fighters coming off an injury do worse in their first fight back. I want to see weigh ins as it will give an indication of Brocks condition.
Man, I got too used to having a card every weekend. This sucks. I'm feeling withdrawals.
Umm, there's a great card this weekend. I expect all the fights to be terrific except the cyborg fight which will probably be one-sided.
You're right at heavyweight he has looked better. But most of his pride fights at LHW he gassed really bad. He's only went 3 rounds against Werdum at heavyweight so we will see. I just cant see him coming into this fight with great cardio with how horrible his camp has been.
I don't really get excited about Strikeforce... Big Mousasi fan, though. Gonna have to DVR it, busy tomorrow night.
Andre Ward vs Carl Froch as well
Yep. I think there's a tiny bit of value in the Froch line.Andre Ward vs Carl Froch as well
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