just my two cents but you missed the boat on all those coins.Originally Posted by Bizanta
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06-02-21 06:24 PM #3641
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06-02-21 07:50 PM #3642
All of those are pump and dump projects. Karencoin is a funny meme. Originally Posted by Bizanta
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06-02-21 08:01 PM #3643
Appreciate the response. Also yours biggie12. I'll keep an eye out on this Karen coin and who knows I buy into my first meme coin. Well I guess Bitcoin / Ethereum still king if it comes to risk so I might just stick to those. Let me know if you find a gem hehe. Originally Posted by raiders72001
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06-02-21 11:19 PM #3644
watching "pornrocket" coin go almost 10x this week on poo exchange is baffling and interesting to see
these low market cap BSC coins are killing it
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06-03-21 12:05 AM #3645
It was even better last year on Uniswap. We started talking about yield farming and lending last year but I didn't do much with it because of the risk. Originally Posted by mattyicey
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...020-a-p17.html
Broadly, yield farming is any effort to put crypto assets to work and generate the most returns possible on those assets.
At the simplest level, a yield farmer might move assets around within Compound, constantly chasing whichever pool is offering the best APY from week to week. This might mean moving into riskier pools from time to time, but a yield farmer can handle risk.
“Farming opens up new price arbs [arbitrage] that can spill over to other protocols whose tokens are in the pool,” said Maya Zehavi, a blockchain consultant.
Because these positions are tokenized, though, they can go further.
This was a brand-new kind of yield on a deposit. In fact, it was a way to earn a yield on a loan. Who has ever heard of a borrower earning a return on a debt from their lender?
In a simple example, a yield farmer might put 100,000 USDT into Compound. They will get a token back for that stake, called cUSDT. Let’s say they get 100,000 cUSDT back (the formula on Compound is crazy so it’s not 1:1 like that but it doesn’t matter for our purposes here).
They can then take that cUSDT and put it into a liquidity pool that takes cUSDT on Balancer, an AMM that allows users to set up self-rebalancing crypto index funds. In normal times, this could earn a small amount more in transaction fees. This is the basic idea of yield farming. The user looks for edge cases in the system to eke out as much yield as they can across as many products as it will work on.
Right now, however, things are not normal, and they probably won’t be for a while.
Why is yield farming so hot right now?
Because of liquidity mining. Liquidity mining supercharges yield farming.
Liquidity mining is when a yield farmer gets a new token as well as the usual return (that’s the “mining” part) in exchange for the farmer’s liquidity.
“The idea is that stimulating usage of the platform increases the value of the token, thereby creating a positive usage loop to attract users,” said Richard Ma of smart-contract auditor Quantstamp.
The yield farming examples above are only farming yield off the normal operations of different platforms. Supply liquidity to Compound or Uniswap and get a little cut of the business that runs over the protocols – very vanilla.
But Compound announced earlier this year it wanted to truly decentralize the product and it wanted to give a good amount of ownership to the people who made it popular by using it. That ownership would take the form of the COMP token.
Lest this sound too altruistic, keep in mind that the people who created it (the team and the investors) owned more than half of the equity. By giving away a healthy proportion to users, that was very likely to make it a much more popular place for lending. In turn, that would make everyone’s stake worth much more.
So, Compound announced this four-year period where the protocol would give out COMP tokens to users, a fixed amount every day until it was gone. These COMP tokens control the protocol, just as shareholders ultimately control publicly traded companies.
Every day, the Compound protocol looks at everyone who had lent money to the application and who had borrowed from it and gives them COMP proportional to their share of the day’s total business.
The results were very surprising, even to Compound’s biggest promoters.
COMP’s value will likely go down, and that’s why some investors are rushing to earn as much of it as they can right now.
This was a brand-new kind of yield on a deposit into Compound. In fact, it was a way to earn a yield on a loan, as well, which is very weird: Who has ever heard of a borrower earning a return on a debt from their lender?
COMP’s value has consistently been well over $200 since it started distributing on June 15. We did the math elsewhere but long story short: investors with fairly deep pockets can make a strong gain maximizing their daily returns in COMP. It is, in a way, free money.
It’s possible to lend to Compound, borrow from it, deposit what you borrowed and so on. This can be done multiple times and DeFi startup Instadapp even built a tool to make it as capital-efficient as possible.
“Yield farmers are extremely creative. They find ways to ‘stack’ yields and even earn multiple governance tokens at once,” said Spencer Noon of DTC Capital.
COMP’s value spike is a temporary situation. The COMP distribution will only last four years and then there won’t be any more. Further, most people agree that the high price now is driven by the low float (that is, how much COMP is actually free to trade on the market – it will never be this low again). So the value will probably gradually go down, and that’s why savvy investors are trying to earn as much as they can now.
Appealing to the speculative instincts of diehard crypto traders has proven to be a great way to increase liquidity on Compound. This fattens some pockets but also improves the user experience for all kinds of Compound users, including those who would use it whether they were going to earn COMP or not.
As usual in crypto, when entrepreneurs see something successful, they imitate it. Balancer was the next protocol to start distributing a governance token, BAL, to liquidity providers. Flash loan provider bZx has announced a plan. Ren, Curve and Synthetixalso teamed up to promote a liquidity pool on Curve.
It is a fair bet many of the more well-known DeFi projects will announce some kind of coin that can be mined by providing liquidity.
The case to watch here is Uniswap versus Balancer. Balancer can do the same thing Uniswap does, but most users who want to do a quick token trade through their wallet use Uniswap. It will be interesting to see if Balancer’s BAL token convinces Uniswap’s liquidity providers to defect.
So far, though, more liquidity has gone into Uniswap since the BAL announcement, according to its data site. That said, even more has gone into Balancer.
Did liquidity mining start with COMP?
No, but it was the most-used protocol with the most carefully designed liquidity mining scheme.
This point is debated but the origins of liquidity mining probably date back to Fcoin, a Chinese exchange that created a token in 2018 that rewarded people for making trades. You won’t believe what happened next! Just kidding, you will: People just started running bots to do pointless trades with themselves to earn the token.
Similarly, EOS is a blockchain where transactions are basically free, but since nothing is really free the absence of friction was an invitation for spam. Some malicious hacker who didn’t like EOS created a token called EIDOS on the network in late 2019. It rewarded people for tons of pointless transactions and somehow got an exchange listing.
These initiatives illustrated how quickly crypto users respond to incentives.
Read more: Compound Changes COMP Distribution Rules Following ‘Yield Farming’ Frenzy
Fcoin aside, liquidity mining as we now know it first showed up on Ethereum when the marketplace for synthetic tokens, Synthetix, announced in July 2019 an award in its SNX token for users who helped add liquidity to the sETH/ETH pool on Uniswap. By October, that was one of Uniswap’s biggest pools.
When Compound Labs, the company that launched the Compound protocol, decided to create COMP, the governance token, the firm took months designing just what kind of behavior it wanted and how to incentivize it. Even still, Compound Labs was surprised by the response. It led to unintended consequences such as crowding into a previously unpopular market (lending and borrowing BAT) in order to mine as much COMP as possible.
Just last week, 115 different COMP wallet addresses – senators in Compound’s ever-changing legislature – voted to change the distribution mechanism in hopes of spreading liquidity out across the markets again.
Is there DeFi for bitcoin?
Yes, on Ethereum.
Nothing has beaten bitcoin over time for returns, but there’s one thing bitcoin can’t do on its own: create more bitcoin.
A smart trader can get in and out of bitcoin and dollars in a way that will earn them more bitcoin, but this is tedious and risky. It takes a certain kind of person.
DeFi, however, offers ways to grow one’s bitcoin holdings – though somewhat indirectly.
A long HODLer is happy to gain fresh BTC off their counterparty’s short-term win. That’s the game.
For example, a user can create a simulated bitcoin on Ethereum using BitGo’s WBTC system. They put BTC in and get the same amount back out in freshly minted WBTC. WBTC can be traded back for BTC at any time, so it tends to be worth the same as BTC.
Then the user can take that WBTC, stake it on Compound and earn a few percent each year in yield on their BTC. Odds are, the people who borrow that WBTC are probably doing it to short BTC (that is, they will sell it immediately, buy it back when the price goes down, close the loan and keep the difference).
A long HODLer is happy to gain fresh BTC off their counterparty’s short-term win. That’s the game.
How risky is it?
Enough.
“DeFi, with the combination of an assortment of digital funds, automation of key processes, and more complex incentive structures that work across protocols – each with their own rapidly changing tech and governance practices – make for new types of security risks,” said Liz Steininger of Least Authority, a crypto security auditor. “Yet, despite these risks, the high yields are undeniably attractive to draw more users.”
We’ve seen big failures in DeFi products. MakerDAO had one so bad this year it’s called “Black Thursday.” There was also the exploit against flash loan provider bZx. These things do break and when they do money gets taken.
As this sector gets more robust, we could see token holders greenlighting more ways for investors to profit from DeFi niches.
Right now, the deal is too good for certain funds to resist, so they are moving a lot of money into these protocols to liquidity mine all the new governance tokens they can. But the funds – entities that pool the resources of typically well-to-do crypto investors – are also hedging. Nexus Mutual, a DeFi insurance provider of sorts, told CoinDesk it has maxed out its available coverage on these liquidity applications. Opyn, the trustless derivatives maker, created a way to short COMP, just in case this game comes to naught.
And weird things have arisen. For example, there’s currently more DAI on Compound than have been minted in the world. This makes sense once unpacked but it still feels dicey to everyone.
That said, distributing governance tokens might make things a lot less risky for startups, at least with regard to the money cops.
“Protocols distributing their tokens to the public, meaning that there’s a new secondary listing for SAFT tokens, [gives] plausible deniability from any security accusation,” Zehavi wrote. (The Simple Agreement for Future Tokens was a legal structure favored by many token issuers during the ICO craze.)
Whether a cryptocurrency is adequately decentralized has been a key feature of ICO settlements with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC).
What’s next for yield farming? (A prediction)
COMP turned out to be a bit of a surprise to the DeFi world, in technical ways and others. It has inspired a wave of new thinking.
“Other projects are working on similar things,” said Nexus Mutual founder Hugh Karp. In fact, informed sources tell CoinDesk brand-new projects will launch with these models.
We might soon see more prosaic yield farming applications. For example, forms of profit-sharing that reward certain kinds of behavior.
Imagine if COMP holders decided, for example, that the protocol needed more people to put money in and leave it there longer. The community could create a proposal that shaved off a little of each token’s yield and paid that portion out only to the tokens that were older than six months. It probably wouldn’t be much, but an investor with the right time horizon and risk profile might take it into consideration before making a withdrawal.
(There are precedents for this in traditional finance: A 10-year Treasury bond normally yields more than a one-month T-bill even though they’re both backed by the full faith and credit of Uncle Sam, a 12-month certificate of deposit pays higher interest than a checking account at the same bank, and so on.)
As this sector gets more robust, its architects will come up with ever more robust ways to optimize liquidity incentives in increasingly refined ways. We could see token holders greenlighting more ways for investors to profit from DeFi niches.
Questions abound for this nascent industry: What will MakerDAO do to restore its spot as the king of DeFi? Will Uniswap join the liquidity mining trend? Will anyone stick all these governance tokens into a decentralized autonomous organization (DAO)? Or would that be a yield farmers co-op?
Whatever happens, crypto’s yield farmers will keep moving fast. Some fresh fields may open and some may soon bear much less luscious fruit.
But that’s the nice thing about farming in DeFi: It is very easy to switch fields.Last edited by raiders72001; 06-03-21 at 12:32 AM.
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06-03-21 08:57 AM #3646
Very informative read. Thanks Raiders!
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06-06-21 08:48 AM #3647
Feel like this is a big emerging story:
Bitcoin: El Salvador plans to make crypto-currency legal tender. El Salvador's president says he will make the Bitcoin crypto-currency legal tender in the country. If his plan is backed by congress, the Central American country would be first in the world to formally adopt the digital currency.
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06-06-21 09:40 AM #3648
Bitcoin price will surpass 500,000$ this decade..
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06-06-21 09:49 AM #3649
Geez. 9.5 years left until 2021. Given hi-inflation, that might be a net loser. Originally Posted by Sawyer
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06-06-21 10:22 AM #3650
https://www.axios.com/el-salvador-bi...d83c2f881.html Originally Posted by ChuckyTheGoat
Noteworthy that the El Salv president is an unusually young guy. 39 years old:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayib_Bukele
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06-06-21 08:45 PM #3651
In less than a week bitcoin will be worth 32 cents and never get any higher. Originally Posted by Sawyer
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06-06-21 09:50 PM #3652
Mike how was your weekend? Give us a play by play you seem like you have life figured out and we can all learn from you pal.
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06-06-21 09:55 PM #3653
You’re one weird f u c k, nothing more to say actually. Originally Posted by themike78
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06-06-21 10:16 PM #3654
But would I be normal to you if I said bitcoin will be worth 10 million like that other guy. Originally Posted by BeatTheJerk
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06-06-21 10:17 PM #3655
Thanks Originally Posted by BeatTheJerk
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06-06-21 10:17 PM #3656
A play by play of what Mickey mouse. Thank you. Originally Posted by MickeyMan
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06-06-21 10:18 PM #3657
But you do have more to say. Originally Posted by BeatTheJerk
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06-06-21 10:18 PM #3658
Hell no that’s worse. Originally Posted by themike78
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06-06-21 10:22 PM #3659
You told me the other day, you are invested in bitcoin, so I don’t understand why you want it to tank all the time ?
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06-06-21 10:23 PM #3660
His master-plan to disseminate FUD (Fear/Uncertainty/Doubt)? Originally Posted by BeatTheJerk
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06-06-21 11:42 PM #3661
It's called trolling guys. The only way to make it go away is to ignore it. The more attention you give it, the more it will post.
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06-06-21 11:48 PM #3662
See post 3651. I don't want to over-state the obvious. But this could be viewed as a breakthrough event!
It's actually happening. Bitcoin is going to be accepted as legal tender...at least in one country. It's being presented as a bill in coming weeks.
There was a nice El Salvador segment at the Bitcoin conference. The young El Salv president played on a video clip.
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06-07-21 04:22 AM #3663
Yes. It is over. Just like the dot.com bust. No true value
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06-07-21 06:33 AM #3664
Originally Posted by kyhawk
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06-07-21 07:47 AM #3665
yeah a lot of the alt coins will end up worthless, like a lot of the dot coms Originally Posted by kyhawk
but if you bought amzn/msft/goog/etc before the dot com bust and held until now you are still looking pretty good
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06-07-21 08:13 AM #3666
Well there goes a few bnb on ghostface. Tanking hard and they delayed bnb payouts from daily to weekly Originally Posted by biggie12
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06-07-21 10:08 AM #3667
Agreed Chuck. Too bad BTC has become so valuable that transaction fees make it the worst crypto for daily transactions. But just the fact that a country has officially recognized it as legal tender is pretty cool. Be interesting to see if any other countries follow in El Sal's lead. Originally Posted by ChuckyTheGoat
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06-07-21 01:15 PM #3668
Sounds like Paraguay may be doing something similar too Chucky Originally Posted by ChuckyTheGoat
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06-07-21 04:43 PM #3669
Looks like bitcoin fell about 5% as soon as the DOJ announced that they were able to seize bitcoin ransom paid to the Colonial Pipeline hackers.
Not so good if the price is partly based upon being able to be used untraceably by criminal enterprises. Apparently it might not be quite as untraceable as people think.
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06-07-21 04:56 PM #3670
Seems they hacked the criminal's (DarkSide) computer and stole the private key.
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06-07-21 05:33 PM #3671
Dumbest fcuking reasons this keep falling. First elon musk farting left or right, now this stupid shit.
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06-07-21 05:51 PM #3672
Seems that DarkSide is not very bright. Originally Posted by raiders72001
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06-07-21 05:52 PM #3673
Oh, and Trump said it's a scam.
KEY FACTS
Trump doubled down on his criticism against the crypto during an interview with Stuart Varney on the Fox Business Network.
Asked about his thoughts on Bitcoin, the ex-president said he doesn’t “like” it and it “seems like a scam,” emphasizing his belief that the “currency of this world should be the dollar.”
He also called for greater monitoring of cryptocurrencies, saying they should be regulated “very, very high
Trump’s comments appeared to drive a dip in Bitcoin’s value as its price fell by over 1.3% (from $36,472 to $35,973) in the hour after the interview.
By 11 a.m. ET, the price had rebounded to just over $36,000.
CRUCIAL QUOTE
“Bitcoin, it just seems like a scam,” Trump said. “I don’t like it because it’s another currency competing against the dollar ... I want the dollar to be the currency of the world. That’s what I’ve always said.”
KEY BACKGROUND
This isn’t the first time Trump has voiced a negative opinion about Bitcoin. The price of the crypto fell by about $10,000 in 2019 after the then-president said he wasn’t a “fan of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.” Former Trump administration National Security Advisor John Bolton also said Monday the ex-president “on several occasions” spoke to Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin about outlawing cryptocurrency.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimam...h=382d9ce04eed
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06-07-21 05:54 PM #3674
I made good money on it. These things die quick shady. I bought moonbar today there 2nd coin and made 2x and cashed. Originally Posted by shadymcgrady
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06-07-21 09:27 PM #3675
Hi Sam!
You seem to be very knowledgeable about bitcoin. I am a schmutz when it comes to cryptocurrency, as I am a total newbie at this. Could you possibly help me with converting bitcoin to USD on the "coinbase" site so I can transfer it to my US Banking checking account? How do I go about this?
Thank you in advance & good luck in all you do!
God's Blessings and remember, never to look down on someone unless you are helping them up!
Kat
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