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There was no stiff, as you broke my no loan term. Tat should have your 100k gift, why doesn't he? Nobody returns gifts, that's rude behavior to do so. Tat returning 100k made it a loan.Originally Posted by downsouth
Now you're going to have Tripe's blood on your hands due to your 72k air bet, he's going to catch a beating the next time I see him.
I wouldn't stiff or steal from someone even if they've done it... Which is why I'm careful to always specify in my standard terms what I will do should any stiff attempt to enter one of my contests. When a stiff knows what I'll do should they try to enter yet they do so anyways, they've chosen to start repaying their debt, albeit in the shittiest way possible.
You're far from the first stiff to threaten violence when confronted with reality. Having met you before, it's easy to say as I'm worried about it as I am with your predecessors: not in the slightest
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Tripe's not worried, until he feels my five finger death punch:You're far from the first stiff to threaten violence when confronted with reality. Having met you before, it's easy to say as I'm worried about it as I am with your predecessors: not in the slightest
Wouldn't waves have lost all his bets anyway?
So this should end the conflict.
Good catch , he didn`t have Ronpaul he would have lost all his bets .
Yes, despite 3 of my picks making the final table & Jedi finishing 2nd.
How does that end the conflict? If Tripe's not going to take my action, that's his right. However, my post up obviously needs to be returned.So this should end the conflict.
Apparently you have no knowledge of the term free roll. Well except for that 7 day old free roll you get at your local bakery every Sunday, & all those online poker free rolls you play.
yes he did that strange thing.
He would have lost, but that's not the point; there only point is that my standard terms are explicit in what happens to stiffs who attempt to enter my contests.
Nossir.... My standard contest rules, which I mentioned are in effect for this betting, state that any stiff attempting to participate will be denied and have their points sent to the person they owe.
I've let Bobbo participate in previous contests and have treated him no differently than anyone else. Since he stiffed DS, he hasn't been welcome in any of my contests, a fact he was aware of. I'll treat him the same way any other stiff is treated: exactly as I've always said I will.
SBR needs to do the right thing here and ban you from offering any more contests.
You CANNOT sheriff the site as you wish besides being judge and jury.
Reason for not going to bash is because I would not be able to refrain from knocking the shit out of you. If bash is ever in Vegas again I will. You tried to Police ME for which you will suffer greatly, hopefully one day.
SBR BAN THIS GUY FROM OFFERING FURTHER CONTESTS!
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I'm not sherrifing the site, but I don't see any reason why I can't exclude stiffs (or anyone) from participating in a contest I voluntarily offer. When I make it clear what will happen to a stiffs stolen points, i dont see any reason why I can't do exactly as I warned them I would as well.
Yeah, you're another one who likes to talk smack and refuse to back it up...a less blatant stiff than bobbo, but I still consider you a stiff. Your situation is a little more gray area though, not sure what I'd do about it. As for kicking my ass, that seems pretty unlikely, and didn't you already give a couple other excuses for not going to there bash? I can't say I've ever missed you when you stay out of my threads, doubt I'll miss you at the Bash.
Any other keyboard warriors out there who want to feel tougher than they are in reality?
If I was aware I wasn't welcome as you ignorantly claim, then I obviously wouldn't have posted up moron. Your original post said nothing about any poster exclusions. Since I never stiffed DS or anyone else, whatever contest rule you have regarding stiffs obviously doesn't apply to me.
But if you want to get your teeth knocked out for not refunding 675 pts worth of post up, that's your ignorant decision Tripe.
I think your safe from No1home as odds are he forgets he wants to kick your ass before he logs off computer today.
.did BW bet points and trip did not honor the bets and took the points?
exactly that is why I answered 'yes" to the posters USCPHILLYGUY question. the above is a yes right? you did not honor the bets and you took the points.
I agree, Tripe should definitely be banned on the spot for stealing a contest post up. Since I have never stiffed anyone, he had absolutely no right to do so. Funny how I had 3 valid wagers with DS prior to all this, & neither of us ever stiffed. Why would I choose to stiff DS now & not before, when I had multiple opportunities to do so? The 72k air bet from DS was somewhat comical but was never valid or binding, due to DS breaking my "no loan" condition.
Since SBR is unlikely to get involved, Tripe will eventually catch some vigilante justice from one of us.
Unfortunately for Tripe, I have a memory like an elephant.
Correct Tryx3, that is indeed what happened..did BW bet points and trip did not honor the bets and took the points?
exactly that is why I answered 'yes" to the posters USCPHILLYGUY question. the above is a yes right? you did not honor the bets and you took the points.
However, Tripe isn't disputing stealing my post up. He's ignorantly trying to justify it.
bobby please your testosterone vigilante stuff is way out of bounds.
we need to keep the betpoints forum free and clear of garbage like that.
turning into a cesspool subforum like it has been in some past times is the worst possible idea.
its a place for people to share plays and wager, handicap in public, offer and get/pay loans and do some contests. maybe brag a little here and there and hassle each other here and there but thats about it.
bobby pretend you have been here before, you can earn points better than almost anyone at this site and have proven it.
bobby swipe the points under the table, take the high road for once here and move on.
tip the hat to triple on his little cat and mouse and basically end this thread.
this sub forum too valuable to continue garbage situations like this.
its 600 points what is that like 2 pizzas?
This is correct.
It's obviously not about the amount, it's about the principle of stealing someone's post up. Doesn't matter if it was 10 pts, that wouldn't make it any less wrong.ts 600 points what is that like 2 pizzas?
.did BW bet points and trip did not honor the bets and took the points?
exactly that is why I answered 'yes" to the posters USCPHILLYGUY question. the above is a yes right? you did not honor the bets and you took the points.
You missed point where he stiffed me. Regardless of what you think how I got there he shot his mouth off and offered a bet with terms he selected. I accepted and he lost.
I would hope you werent jumping forward to take action from stiffs.
Bobby doesnt think he stiffed because he said it doesnt count. That does not make it any less of a stiff job.
I also could not care less about the 600 points but the principle of it is correct.
usphilly the answer is yes.
now if you want to know why you have to read the 3 pages. downsouth feels he is owed 72000 points from bobbywaves from a side bet, the same sidebet bobbywaves does not think he owes downsouth. something between the two of them not sure it will ever get solved. in fact very sure both will think the same way forever on that issue. anyway something between the two of them.
Triple offered some fun poker lines for the boys here, fun thread, he put in lots of time to get lines and take action, during that he got some points from bobbywaves for clear wagers, before the event started he did say cleary he was not going to honor those wagers citing a rule he has someplace, not in the thread, that was clear, he did not return them, he took the points. later he sent the same number of points from his account to downsouth.
thats about it.
In common law legal systems, a precedent, or authority, is a principle or rule established in a previous legal case that is either binding on or persuasive for a court or other tribunal when deciding subsequent cases with similar issues or facts.
Triple D - forbid you to enter his poker tourney because he demeed you a "stiff".
Whether you deemed yourself a stiff or not is irrelevant. Triple D made it very clear he deemed you a "stiff".
You then wagered in his poker odds thread.
You knew that Triple D deemed you a stiff. You read the line in his post about his "rules" for entering "his" contest.
Any lack of knowledge of Triple D rules should have been clarified by yourself prior to sending any points.
This is common procedure for any handicapper or punter.
You have no case for this issue of your confiscated points.
However, now you are moving very quickly from villian to outcast.
I don't think you can survive here at SBR as an outcast. You need the attention of all the conflicts.
So beware now of the fear of any sbr poster "expecially poker players" in side wagering with you.
Last edited by aggieshawn; 08-21-16 at 08:52 PM.
You're factually correct try, but I'd say you're painting an incomplete picture. The bet between DS and bobbo isn't something either is likely to change their mind on, but the evidence is very clear that DS is right, and bobbo is very aware that I agree.
The rule itself isn't stated in this thread, no... But i mention that my standard contest rules apply very clearly in the opening post, and my standard contest rules make it very clear that stiffs are not welcome and I will send any stiffs points to the person they owe.
Bobbo was aware that stiffs were not welcome in my contests and that is enforce it against him, as I've done so before (http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/poker/3280566-canada-day-freeroll.html#post25947724). Based on his past behavior, his entry here was almost certainly him doing what's he's done so many other times: inserting himself in a situation he knows he won't win, just so he can start an argument about some old stuff. He expected me to not take his action, but probably didn't expect his points would be sent to DS and Jay... Although he's participated in enough contests where my rules have been in effect, reading comprehension and remembering anything that conflicts with what he believes to be true aren't his strong points.
I think it's within my rights to set rules for my contests, the same as you do for your wagers (edits are losses for example). Bobbo failing to think those rules applied to him is his own fault, as I've made it very clear to him that he's a stiff in my book (and in reality, but in my eyes is why he shouldn't expect anything differently from me).
Bobbo will certainly not let it go; as he said, the amount of points doesn't matter. He refused to give back 1 point overpayment to Jay for years, so he's proven he's willing to be wrong regardless of the points involved. On my end, I did the right thing and what i said I'd do, don't see any need to change it or keep bringing it up. It will probably be added to bobbos list of talking points to ramble on about at any given opportunity, which is unfortunate but unlikely to change.
You clearly circumvented the bet & you admitted as much, by breaking my no loan condition in our bet.
Who gifts 100k? Nobody
Who returns gifts? Nobody
It's safe to conclude the 100k you sent to Tat was a loan & not a "gift", to circumvent our bet.
Bobbo, this has been discussed at length well before tat returned the points to DS, and when neither of your above-mentioned excuses applied, you still refused to pay. The event is in the past, as is the overwhelming consensus and evidence that you're a stiff... If you want to keep discussing it, do it somewhere else.
I offered to have a group of agreed upon posters review and accept their decision. Bobbo declined.
I would have posted up our 72k bet with Yisman. Problem for you was, you couldn't afford the 72k post up after loaning Tat the 100k. Now if you were intelligent, you would have borrowed the pts you needed to post up the 72k. This way, Yisman would be deliberating over your blatant circumvention of our bet & not me.
Im pretty new to poker here. Can someone give me a link to thread with the 100k bet. I would like to study it objectively. I dont really know you guys so you can expect truth.
I offered DS a 72k bet. He loaned poster Tat 100k to circumvent my bet offer & violated the no loan condition. DS claimed the 100k was a "gift," but there's many problems with that theory: 1) Nobody gifts 100k, 2) Tat returned the 100k, 3) Nobody returns pt gifts, it's considered rude behavior to return gifts as they're meant to be kept, 4) Returning "gift", made the 100k transaction a loan to circumvent bet, 5) DS already admitted to angle shooting the clear intention of this bet.
My bet offer was clearly not a gift giving contest. DS obviously circumvented the bet by loaning Tat 100k & ignorantly trying to disguise it as a 100k gift:
http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...-terms-p2.html
The facts are in post 1 of this thread: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...l#post25363809 DS clearly laid out what happened, come to your own conclusions.
I read the thread. My opinion means crapola and I dont want to get on anyones bad side since Im new. That being said, it was an obvious loan to win the bet. Mr. Waves is clearly not liked on here but that doesnt anything to the situation. Many flaws to that being a gift.
Anyways the last promotion was pretty fun. I barely qualified but started in June. I saw a post about another promotion in the poker forum? Do they always run them one after another? Excited about being in from the jump.
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Okay i will read that thread tomorrow. Maybe the other thread was missing certain info.
There's usually a short lull before announcing the next one, but it's usually not very long...week or so at the most usually. Even when they're not running one with a big finale, they usually do something to get the dailies going again, that's what most people like anyways.I read the thread. My opinion means crapola and I dont want to get on anyones bad side since Im new. That being said, it was an obvious loan to win the bet. Mr. Waves is clearly not liked on here but that doesnt anything to the situation. Many flaws to that being a gift.
Anyways the last promotion was pretty fun. I barely qualified but started in June. I saw a post about another promotion in the poker forum? Do they always run them one after another? Excited about being in from the jump.
Regarding the wager, what flaws do you see to it being a loan? When a guy says "I gave the points and don't expect any back", why do you think that's a loan and not a gift? He clearly stated what he did and his intentions (to foil bobbo); the counter-argument of "who would do that" doesn't hold much water when he said he did it, and why he did it. The thread I linked has the summary of everything that's relevant, lots of other junk to sift through in the original thread.
You don't have to worry about getting on anyone's bad side...people are entitled to an opinion, even the wrong one if they choose! The hate you see directed against bobbo isn't just because he stiffed on the bet; it's his years-long history of being an scammer/angle-shooter/hypocrite/generally unpleasant person...it's not like agreeing with him is going to cause people to view you in the same light.
Bob didn't articulate himself well when stating what was necessary for the " bet " to go forward, he stated loans but not gifts... He's usually pretty witty but his wit failed him here... I have no dog in this either Mayberry, and you will never see triple just starting stuff with people, guys an asset around here... Bob knows not to enter in these contest, another slip up on bobs part... I see this as triple trying to do the right thing, and I'm sure it taught bob a lesson, always talking to much and calling people losers for this or that..and I hope he doesn't really look to swing on somebody at a bash, so dumb...puts himself in danger of going to a foreign jail or getting a lawsuit.. Who knows, for roughly 30 bucks ... Com'on, even tryx3 said the guy progresses really well with points, and to let it go..know better then to enter or do anything with triple,ds, vegas, etc...until he clears it up
his pride & mouth finally got him in a little bit of trouble and now he's feeling it with 675 paid on the debt...
See you you at the tables .. Cheers
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Check in Bite.
Still thinking one person can make decisions like this? Or that SBR should be trying to mediate this?
What a mess. Questions about every participants actions imho.
In real life if a bookmaker took your bet stake because they say you owe their friend at another book money everyone on this forum would be screaming they were scammers. Whatever terms they had on some other page of their site.
And then if the player explained there was argument over who 'won' the original bet anyway I doubt one of you would listen to any suggestion that the third party book had some right to decide the impasse and confiscate funds bet in good faith.
How would you rule on this one Bite?
Last edited by Optional; 08-22-16 at 06:54 AM.
The only person arguing over the original bet is the guy who lost it; when the case is as open and shut as this one, it's not a difficult decision (iirc, you also agree that he should pay as he insists it's a legitimate wager offer). Terms on another page is exactly how books roll; they don't put their T&C out every time you go to make a bet, they assume you're capable of looking at it before you deposit. I do a bit better than that and mention they apply every time; if I fail to mention it, I don't think I'd enforce it.
In this case, the guy has bet at the book a half dozen times before and knows or should know the terms. Furthermore, the last time he tried to get in on a contest not even two months ago, he was told he wasn't welcome to participate under those terms because he ran a huge chargebak at another book, so it's no mystery that he wasn't welcome. When he intentionally tries to enter again knowing he's not welcome, is the book really supposed to ignore it's own terms and not collect the debt?
This has nothing to do with disliking bobbo as much as I do; as I've mentioned, he's always been welcome in my previous contests before he stiffed. Especially give that I told him in no uncertain terms that he wasn't welcome to participate in my contests, I don't feel bad about it at all; this is another case of bobbo jumping in somewhere he knows he isn't welcome so he can stir up shit.
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