[Triple_D_Bet]

No worries Tripe, we're kinda used to it.

In the rare cases I don't say something clearly, I admit it and correct it. Contrast that with you, a guy who bends over backwards and tries to tie facts in knots to avoid admitting he was ever wrong

Oh, kinda what StudMLB did here: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/betpoints/2458804-looking-big-loan.html

Not sure what exactly you find "fair" about someone soliciting a loan "to leverage & get aggressive" with other posters hard earned pts & not pay back? How do you condone this behavior, by implying Stud was simply leveraging & getting aggressive with my pts loan?



That's your opinion, I beg to differ.



I obviously wasn't referring to bank or personal loans, I was referring to pts loans.



Since SBR doesn't want to get involved with loan stiffing, they should just get rid of loans altogether. If there were no loans, there would obviously be no stiffs. It's easy enough to generate your own pts on this site, but many degenerates here are lazy & want everything handed to them right away via loans. In my opinion, it's pathetic & irresponsible behavior. If one wants something in the SBR store, go earn it yourself. Why borrow to get it? I want the Segway, are you suggesting I should just solicit a 152k loan to get it? http://store.sportsbookreview.com/products/290-Segwa-i2

I prefer to earn the things I want. Never solicited a pts loan & never will, pt loans are for the weak.

With all that said, I prefer to lose wagers to you & Yisman than the SBR book. Since SBR basically stole my pts here: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...n-w-juice.html



Since playing pts is a +EV deal, why did StudMLB disappear? Makes no sense to me.

Try doesn't find stiffing fair, you just can't read.

As with many subjects, your opinion on loans differs from the majority opinion...but more importantly, you have no logical reason to back your opinion up. Just another example of you thinking something is so because you think it is. People get points loans for similar reasons as personal loans and they serve much the same purpose, and given what's been revealed about your personal finances, it's pretty clear your opinions on finance aren't worth the poor man's internet you use to spew them.

Your stance on earning the things you want doesn't square with your real life tendency to seek out subsidized services either

SBR didn't steal your points; they didn't do anything about a stiff, the same as usual...that's pretty much what this thread has been all about. To all appearances, you're just using the issue as an excuse for not going to the bash, when you didn't care that much previously. It's no more than we expect from you...nobody gives a damn if you go to the bash or not, but talking trash and making inconsistent excuses is pretty much what you're known for at this point. Besides, that loan was pretty stupid on your part...you gave a loan to a guy with no history for a pro renewal without even having him check to see if he could renew with points. Nobody condones stiffing, but there's a reason you end up getting stiffed more frequently than most: you often make loans to poor borrowers who others skip over, and you suffer the consequences.

Besides, even people who don't need a loan to make wagers can stiff, as you've proven without a doubt

Stud disappeared because he's a stiff, has nothing to do with the value of loans; it's not rocket science...but you not understanding is understandable.

Is there a reason why we can't see what this wager was, did it lose perhaps?

In any event, your average bet size is $462 & you can't pay back a pts loan because you're butt hurt?

It's kinda funny how you can spot the obvious inconsistencies in someone else's story, but don't think anyone can spot the holes in your excuses

Not paying back because of "reputation smear" is an age-old stiff excuse...kinda like how you often claim you would do (thing reasonable person would do if they believed as you claim) if it wasn't for (inane excuse that is inconsistent with your previous behavior). When experienced lenders see these excuses, it's much the same as when we see an excuse come from you: we conclude the person making the excuse doesn't want to do it and is just too dishonest to admit it.

[SharpAngles]

Since SBR doesn't want to get involved with loan stiffing, they should just get rid of loans altogether. If there were no loans, there would obviously be no stiffs. It's easy enough to generate your own pts on this site, but many degenerates here are lazy & want everything handed to them right away via loans. In my opinion, it's pathetic & irresponsible behavior. If one wants something in the SBR store, go earn it yourself. Why borrow to get it? I want the Segway, are you suggesting I should just solicit a 152k loan to get it? http://store.sportsbookreview.com/products/290-Segwa-i2

Can't make this shit up fellas. The section 8 dweller abusing the NJ welfare and unemployment systems thinks betpoint loans are "pathetic & irresponsible"

[bobbywaves]

Can't make this shit up fellas. The section 8 dweller abusing the NJ welfare and unemployment systems

You can easily make this shit up, as you just did.

Coming from a constant broke dikk, struggling to crack the top 100:

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...-a.html?slf=36

[bobbywaves]

In the rare cases I don't say something clearly

There's nothing rare about your common occurrences Tripe.

you just can't read.

Then how can I write? Reading & writing go hand in hand.

As with many subjects, your opinion on loans differs from the majority opinion...but more importantly, you have no logical reason to back your opinion up.

So to you, being stiffed is not a "logical reason" to back up my negative opinion on loans? Does it appear to you I'm concerned about the majority opinion? You know what happens when the majority bet on a game? They lose, just like the majority will lose this loan argument.

SBR didn't steal your points; they didn't do anything about a stiff, the same as usual...that's pretty much what this thread has been all about. To all appearances, you're just using the issue as an excuse for not going to the bash, when you didn't care that much previously.

SBR denied daysleepers pro application, banned him, & failed to return the pts I loaned daysleeper for his pro app. That's theft in my book.

Excuse? Didn't care much previously? Apparently you didn't read the thread, which isn't surprising.. This thread & problem started way before SBR even announced Bash registration: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...n-w-juice.html

Besides, that loan was pretty stupid on your part...you gave a loan to a guy with no history for a pro renewal without even having him check to see if he could renew with points. Nobody condones stiffing, but there's a reason you end up getting stiffed more frequently than most: you often make loans to poor borrowers who others skip over, and you suffer the consequences.

Coming from a guy who has been stiffed more times than anyone.

Besides, even people who don't need a loan to make wagers can stiff, as you've proven without a doubt.

What I proved is DS being an angle shooting POS. DS even admitted as much, when I easily proved his so called "100k gift" was actually a loan. Which broke the no loan term of our wager.

Stud disappeared because he's a stiff, has nothing to do with the value of loans; it's not rocket science...but you not understanding is understandable.

Easy Rider stated playing points is a + even deal. So it stands to reason, nobody should be stiffing & disappearing.

It's kinda funny how you can spot the obvious inconsistencies in someone else's story, but don't think anyone can spot the holes in your excuses

It's easy for me to spot the numerous inconsistencies. Unfortunately for you, there's never any holes in my explanations.

[SharpAngles]

You can easily make this shit up, as you just did.

Coming from a constant broke dikk, struggling to crack the top 100:

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...-a.html?slf=36

Can't make this shit up fellas. The section 8 dweller abusing the NJ welfare and unemployment systems is calling someone broke and struggling

You fukin clown I made it known from the beginning of this event the final date sucks for me since I'll be treating my wife to a vacation to Hawaii for her birthday. All I see from your link there is one sad player who wastes time every day for 150points/cash and one who's played maybe 30 with 200points/cash(hint:me you dumfuk). Who is struggling again Mr. section 8 mingles2 morgatge payments lowlife?

[Triple_D_Bet]

There's nothing rare about your common occurrences Tripe.



Then how can I write? Reading & writing go hand in hand.



So to you, being stiffed is not a "logical reason" to back up my negative opinion on loans? Does it appear to you I'm concerned about the majority opinion? You know what happens when the majority bet on a game? They lose, just like the majority will lose this loan argument.



SBR denied daysleepers pro application, banned him, & failed to return the pts I loaned daysleeper for his pro app. That's theft in my book.

Excuse? Didn't care much previously? Apparently you didn't read the thread, which isn't surprising.. This thread & problem started way before SBR even announced Bash registration: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...n-w-juice.html



Coming from a guy who has been stiffed more times than anyone.



What I proved is DS being an angle shooting POS. DS even admitted as much, when I easily proved his so called "100k gift" was actually a loan. Which broke the no loan term of our wager.



Easy Rider stated playing points is a + even deal. So it stands to reason, nobody should be stiffing & disappearing.



It's easy for me to spot the numerous inconsistencies. Unfortunately for you, there's never any holes in my explanations.

You can write functionally, but when you seem to miss the parts of a post which explain clearly where you're wrong, it makes it difficult to believe you're a functional reader. It might be more accurate to say you have a gaping blind spot for reality, but it amounts to the same thing.

No, being stiffed has nothing to do with whether or not loans are a good idea for a borrower....notice how one is a lenders issue and the other is a borrowers issue? The majority isn't always necessarily right....but in this case, the majority view is similar to the logically sound view, and you're standing pretty much alone in your made-up reality. Par for the course.

I don't know if I've been stiffed more than anyone, but I doubt it. I'm pretty sure I've been stiffed at a far lower percentage than you though...I'd offer a wager, but even if you wouldn't make an excuse like you usually do, I don't wager with stiffs.

DS angle shot, and that's disqualifying why? You've been proud of your ability to angleshoot in the past, and you never thought that disqualified you from participating in poker contests or made your wagers invalid. The simple reality is you offered a bet you didn't think you could lose, it was accepted and you lost, and then you went back on your word and stiffed. Saying otherwise doesn't change it, no matter how many times you say it

Again, value of playing with points has nothing to do with stiffing or disappearing. I understand you like to grab several things you think are true, mash them together and proclaim that they prove each other in some kind of circular make believe...you can go right on pretending that's how reality works if you like, most folks are smart enough to know better.

Yes yes, there are no holes in your explanations because you've explained there are no holes therefore it must be true, plus there were all those times you quoted people out of context, so QED you win!

It's probably for the best you're timid in real life...if you were half this vocal and aggressive about your idiocy in real life, you'd probably have an even tougher life than you've had so far

[Triple_D_Bet]

Can't make this shit up fellas. The section 8 dweller abusing the NJ welfare and unemployment systems is calling someone broke and struggling

You fukin clown I made it known from the beginning of this event the final date sucks for me since I'll be treating my wife to a vacation to Hawaii for her birthday. All I see from your link there is one sad player who wastes time every day for 150points/cash and one who's played maybe 30 with 200points/cash(hint:me you dumfuk). Who is struggling again Mr. section 8 mingles2 morgatge payments lowlife?

Doesn't count sharpy; everyone* knows that (insert made up statistic) is the true measure of poker skill, and if you look at (narrow cherry-picked window of time), bobbo is clearly one of the best

On a serious note, I've always been slightly amazed at that routine of bobbos...if you're gonna throw reality out the window and make up stats to try and claim you're not mediocre, why not make something up that shows you're the best, instead of something that shows you're slightly better than mediocre?

[SharpAngles]

TDB has a clue.

Since I struggle at poker I really can't figure out why small b has been dodging my open cash game challenge to him for so long now. A "measly" 600 point buyin could prove he's the man but he's too busy coming up with excuses??

[bobbywaves]

Who is struggling again

According to the leaderboard, you're struggling to make top 100.

Stop making lame excuses & get your priorities str8 chump.

[bobbywaves]

No, being stiffed has nothing to do with whether or not loans are a good idea for a borrower....notice how one is a lenders issue and the other is a borrowers issue? The majority isn't always necessarily right....but in this case, the majority view is similar to the logically sound view, and you're standing pretty much alone in your made-up reality.

Loans are a gr8 idea for the borrower/stiff, can't beat free pts without paying back. Being stiffed has everything to do with whether or not loans are a good idea for the lender. Remember Tripe, I was a lender & not a broke dikk borrower.

I don't know if I've been stiffed more than anyone

Well I do know, & you have.

I'd offer a wager, but I only have half of your 20k. Besides, I'm still licking my wounds from when you beat my sorry ass for 29k

It's ok, I understand Tripe.

DS angle shot, and that's disqualifying why?

This has been covered, try to keep up. It's disqualifying due to my stated no loans condition, DS broke that condition. Nobody gifts 100k & gifts aren't returned. When DS accepted the 100k back from Tat, it made his transaction a loan.

Yes yes, there are no holes in your explanations because you've explained there are no holes therefore it must be true, so you win!

Now you got it right.

you'd probably have an even tougher life than you've had so far

Tough life? I've been retired since 2010. Have fun at work today Tripe.

[bobbywaves]

Doesn't count sharpy; everyone* knows that (most cashes & ROI) is the true measure of poker skill, and if you look at (the last 3 years), Waves is clearly one of the best. He has the most cashes over the past 3 years & Waves poker ROI is an incredible 837%!

Correct Tripe, I can't argue with you here.

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

Lots of mischaracterization/misinterpretations all up in this thread. Not saying it's intentional, but it's damn sure there, nonetheless.

The 2 initial obvious cases in this thread are, in fact, contained in yisman's 1st post (then 2 more obvious ones are added by me and another one by yis, subsequently). The "bobby case" was never one presented as obvious, as the ambiguity of it would never let it qualify for the type cases I was speaking about (regardless of my personal feelings about who's "right" in the bobby case).

So... setting up an argument (as Opti did) about how difficult the "bobby case" would be to what I was trying to accomplish here is irrelevant/specious. IT WOULD NOT BE ONE EVEN CONSIDERED IN THE THREAD that I wanted to set up. I thought I spoke in clear English: crystal clear evidence, verifiable. IOW, no ambiguity to it... no interpretations. Like TripperD mentions, the identifiable stiff cases indeed exist.

mp5070 set up a thread to bet the Heat Final (wanted an obvious freeroll)... lost ... then stiffed yisman. Can't get any clearer if you look at the thread. To date, TxAaron has *never* denied owing yisman (find the post where he does; he just states he never borrowed in another thread). And in this thread, TxStiffy merely states he won't pay someone that "slandered him" and made it "purposely difficult." For all intents and purposes, copping to the stiff job but rationalizing why he has the right to do so. Well, hell... stiffs have been using that kind of reasoning since stiffing began (see ttwarrior and his tired old "I'm not paying cuz someone said mean things to me" shtick). Those kind of warped rationalizations don't excuse the stiffing. This should be obvious. Not sure why one would believe this is complicated to figure out.

Also, I *never* said Opti had a biased view b/c he works for SBR and toeing the company line yadda yadda --- complete and utter misinterpretation (just as Opti originally admitted to misinterpreting my "punishing the class" comment). Go back and READ WHAT I WROTE. I was simply asking why he would say I was the guy making it "personal" when I was talking about SBR. Didn't make any sense as SBR is a company, not a person. I challenge anyone to go back and read what I wrote and tell me I'm wrong and Opti isn't misinterpreting what I actually said.

Anyway..... I appreciate & respect Opti's overall viewpoint, and, similar to what he stated, I am not trying to be argumentative; I was simply trying to improve the forum community by weeding out the no-doubt-about-it thieves and offered up a (preliminarily fleshed-out) viable plan that worked *with* SBR... just as Shari is asking the forum members to work with her here:

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-talk/3293866-who-hell-jjgold-p2.html#post26114096

Again, it truly isn't rocket science what I was advocating and it's puzzling why artificial difficulties are being injected into the equation (the bobby scenario, should we consider the stiff's excuses, etc.) -- BUT, as I told Freezer in the GOD THREAD, there's only so much mental masturbation I'm willing to engage in, and being SBR is gonna do jackshit (because they don't care if the members stiff each other, only if SBR gets stiffed) so.... I will adjust on my end and I'm pretty much done commenting further regarding this matter.

VIVA LA THIEVES!!!


p.s. -- Tripper had some really good ideas

[bobbywaves]

A "measly" 600 point buyin could prove he's the man but he's too busy coming up with excuses??

Speaking of excuses, I'm still waiting for you to accept an annual challenge from me. Wise decision not to, as you'd be getting crushed like a grape. Suffering the same fate as Tripe, when I took him for 29k in an annual challenge. You only have a measly 1k to lose & still won't risk it in an annual challenge.

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

BTW... just to add sumpthin else: loaning pts/credit betting between members actually *benefits* SBR, so anyone that thinks this is just a "members" issue ( i.e., an activity that solely benefits members) really isn't using their head.

For anyone that can't figure out HOW loaning pts/credit betting benefits SBR, lemme know and I'll start listing a few things WHY it helps SBR... and only will chastise you a lil bit for not having the mental wherewithal to figure it out on your own.

Not implying SBR can't live w/o it, cuz they obviously can and could shutdown lending pts tomorrow and still carry on fine... BUT, members loaning to each other benefits SBR, too, make no mistake about THAT. It's why there's a points forum (similar to why you see a particular table game out on the casino floor; it's there cuz, ultimately, it benefits the casino to have it there).

[Triple_D_Bet]

Thanks for the entertainment as always bobbo, keep it up

Lots of mischaracterization/misinterpretations all up in this thread. Not saying it's intentional, but it's damn sure there, nonetheless.

The 2 initial obvious cases in this thread are, in fact, contained in yisman's 1st post (then 2 more obvious ones are added by me and another one by yis, subsequently). The "bobby case" was never one presented as obvious, as the ambiguity of it would never let it qualify for the type cases I was speaking about (regardless of my personal feelings about who's "right" in the bobby case).

So... setting up an argument (as Opti did) about how difficult the "bobby case" would be to what I was trying to accomplish here is irrelevant/specious. IT WOULD NOT BE ONE EVEN CONSIDERED IN THE THREAD that I wanted to set up. I thought I spoke in clear English: crystal clear evidence, verifiable. IOW, no ambiguity to it... no interpretations. Like TripperD mentions, the identifiable stiff cases indeed exist.

mp5070 set up a thread to bet the Heat Final (wanted an obvious freeroll)... lost ... then stiffed yisman. Can't get any clearer if you look at the thread. To date, TxAaron has *never* denied owing yisman (find the post where he does; he just states he never borrowed in another thread). And in this thread, TxStiffy merely states he won't pay someone that "slandered him" and made it "purposely difficult." For all intents and purposes, copping to the stiff job but rationalizing why he has the right to do so. Well, hell... stiffs have been using that kind of reasoning since stiffing began (see ttwarrior and his tired old "I'm not paying cuz someone said mean things to me" shtick). Those kind of warped rationalizations don't excuse the stiffing. This should be obvious. Not sure why one would believe this is complicated to figure out.

Also, I *never* said Opti had a biased view b/c he works for SBR and toeing the company line yadda yadda --- complete and utter misinterpretation (just as Opti originally admitted to misinterpreting my "punishing the class" comment). Go back and READ WHAT I WROTE. I was simply asking why he would say I was the guy making it "personal" when I was talking about SBR. Didn't make any sense as SBR is a company, not a person. I challenge anyone to go back and read what I wrote and tell me I'm wrong and Opti isn't misinterpreting what I actually said.

Anyway..... I appreciate & respect Opti's overall viewpoint, and, similar to what he stated, I am not trying to be argumentative; I was simply trying to improve the forum community by weeding out the no-doubt-about-it thieves and offered up a (preliminarily fleshed-out) viable plan that worked *with* SBR... just as Shari is asking the forum members to work with her here:

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-talk/3293866-who-hell-jjgold-p2.html#post26114096

Again, it truly isn't rocket science what I was advocating and it's puzzling why artificial difficulties are being injected into the equation (the bobby scenario, should we consider the stiff's excuses, etc.) -- BUT, as I told Freezer in the GOD THREAD, there's only so much mental masturbation I'm willing to engage in, and being SBR is gonna do jackshit (because they don't care if the members stiff each other, only if SBR gets stiffed) so.... I will adjust on my end and I'm pretty much done commenting further regarding this matter.

VIVA LA THIEVES!!!


p.s. -- Tripper had some really good ideas

Bobbo's case is what I'd call obvious in the sense that anyone who looks at it can see what bobbo should ethically do...but we agree that it's not in the same category enforcement-wise as a stated mutual agreement that was broken. Although given the ambiguity of existing loan terms, the situations might have more in common than I've always assumed.

I and most others know you're not throwing haymakers at people here, you're just shadowboxing, it's your preferred style for discussing stuff

Appreciate the props, and your thoughts here have given me some stuff to think about...if I find the time before I get distracted, I'll see if I can't come up with something to make this issue a little less ambiguous

[TxAaron]

Is there a reason why we can't see what this wager was, did it lose perhaps?

In any event, your average bet size is $462 & you can't pay back a pts loan because you're butt hurt?

Actually had a good day Tuesday and had a clean sweep. I don't mind posting losers though...I lost 3k on Rangers/Rockies o10 last night...It happens.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Actually had a good day Tuesday and had a clean sweep. I don't mind posting losers though...I lost 3k on Rangers/Rockies o10 last night...It happens.

Nobody cares about a dick-measuring contest between stiffs....both of you should pay what you owe or GTFO

[downsouth]

Actually had a good day Tuesday and had a clean sweep. I don't mind posting losers though...I lost 3k on Rangers/Rockies o10 last night...It happens.

I bet 1000s you peasants, yet stiff someone on small figure.

[TxAaron]

I bet 1000s you peasants, yet stiff someone on small figure.

[USCPHILLYGUY]

Didn't think TX could look more pathetic than he already does...... I was wrong

Gloating about bets to impress guys he's never met. TX needs a hug.

Que the "I have a hot GF reply in 3...2...1

[TxAaron]

Didn't think TX could look more pathetic than he already does...... I was wrong

Gloating about bets to impress guys he's never met. TX needs a hug.

Que the "I have a hot GF reply in 3...2...1

Don't give yourself so much credit kid. I honestly could care less to impress you or anyone here. I think it's funny that ya'll get so excited about anything I say.

It's honestly pretty fukkin pathetic that you take as much time as you do to follow me around from thread to thread and try to call me out on bull$shit, but I always prove you wrong.

"me: claim I bet xxx, you: fake unless screenshot
me: post screenshot, you: you're a showoff"

Lol you're just a fukkin troll. This is my last response to you, fukk off loser.

[USCPHILLYGUY]

Don't give yourself so much credit kid. I honestly could care less to impress you or anyone here. I think it's funny that ya'll get so excited about anything I say.

It's honestly pretty fukkin pathetic that you take as much time as you do to follow me around from thread to thread and try to call me out on bull$shit, but I always prove you wrong.

"me: claim I bet xxx, you: fake unless screenshot
me: post screenshot, you: you're a showoff"

Lol you're just a fukkin troll. This is my last response to you, fukk off loser.

Sadly I doubt this is the last we will hear from you. 2000 post on the site so obviously very important to you. FUKIN assholes like yourself thrive in the attention they get online. It somehow justifies their pathetic lives. . I was on to your game in March when you gloated about having a cabana then ghost. Pretty fukin sad actually. Why not just do the decent thing and pay back the loan? PLEASE "prove me wrong" again like you've claimed you have done countless times before.

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

Didn't think TX could look more pathetic than he already does...... I was wrong

Gloating about bets to impress guys he's never met. TX needs a hug.

Que the "I have a hot GF reply in 3...2...1

DEAD SOLID PERFECT

There are *some* peeps 'round here that could buy & sell him, that's another funny part to this; those peeps just don't lack the emotional insecurity to perpetually try so... very... hard to impress randoms on a message board at every turn.

Regardless, how much one does or doesn't have has nothing whatsoever to do w/having integrity and honoring a debt that is owed -- mature people understand this. You can have poor stiffs and rich stiffs and everything in between... but in the end, to paraphrase ol Willie: "A stiff is a stiff is a stiff..."

BTW, stiffs have always been emboldened around here b/c they know SBR never holds them accountable (BTP, promos, no problem.. STIFFS WELCOME!; every stiffing idiot has figured that out around here so they often just post things like laughing emojis, etc. which further adds to their douchiness... but hey, there you have it.

Again, when SBR does *nothing* (in any form or fashion) to hold thieves stealing from other members accountable, they tacitly condone the thievery. That's the practical takeaway. Shari asks that members report ghosts (and I agree w/her, for the overall betterment of SBR & the member community) BUT... it should be a two-way street. Not "hey, help SBR and report the ghosts when you spot them!" but then "oh shit... you guys are on your own with pts thieves... GL!!!"

[downsouth]

Don't give yourself so much credit kid. I honestly could care less to impress you or anyone here. I think it's funny that ya'll get so excited about anything I say.

It's honestly pretty fukkin pathetic that you take as much time as you do to follow me around from thread to thread and try to call me out on bull$shit, but I always prove you wrong.

"me: claim I bet xxx, you: fake unless screenshot
me: post screenshot, you: you're a showoff"

Lol you're just a fukkin troll. This is my last response to you, fukk off loser.

Only bullshit that you cannot prove otherwise is that you make bets and can't pay when you lose. Plain and simple, for such a big shot to have to stiff when they owe leaves us to believe that the bigshot may not be quite so big.

Honest question: How many times have you charrgeback on the on the ole CC.

[TxAaron]

Only bullshit that you cannot prove otherwise is that you make bets and can't pay when you lose. Plain and simple, for such a big shot to have to stiff when they owe leaves us to believe that the bigshot may not be quite so big.

Honest question: How many times have you charrgeback on the on the ole CC.

Lmao, really grasping at thin air, aren't we? Why ask me a "honest question" when you'll just have a rebuttal to my answer?

But to answer, I've only been banned from one offshore book, and that was 1vice. Amicable breakup, but they no longer wanted my business.

I mainly play with a local from Dallas now. Not the type you would want to stiff. He's been known to have employees show up at players work place to collect.

Honest question back at ya: Do you not realize that I don't give a fukk what you think about me?

[USCPHILLYGUY]

Lmao, really grasping at thin air, aren't we? Why ask me a "honest question" when you'll just have a rebuttal to my answer?

But to answer, I've only been banned from one offshore book, and that was 1vice. Amicable breakup, but they no longer wanted my business.

I mainly play with a local from Dallas now. Not the type you would want to stiff. He's been known to have employees show up at players work place to collect.

Honest question back at ya: Do you not realize that I don't give a fukk what you think about me?

Aaron the problem with this statement is that you keep replying to the thread which would leave one to believe you actually do give a fukk.

Tell ya what...........I spent months defending Bobbywaves fronm all the bullshit that goes on with him until I just had enough. Give me the facts of all this....was it a loan? Bet on something? You mentioned to me that you were NEVER a pro here which would leave you somewhat limited on the amounts you could bet / take a loan for and what you'd be able to pay back...............lets here it Pal

[bobbywaves]

Nobody cares about a dick-measuring contest

Are you sure about this Tripe? According to Wulfman (R.I.P.), these dick measuring contests were right up your alley with boyfriend Alex. Are you trying to say Wulfy was a liar?

[downsouth]

Lmao, really grasping at thin air, aren't we? Why ask me a "honest question" when you'll just have a rebuttal to my answer?

But to answer, I've only been banned from one offshore book, and that was 1vice. Amicable breakup, but they no longer wanted my business.

I mainly play with a local from Dallas now. Not the type you would want to stiff. He's been known to have employees show up at players work place to collect.

Honest question back at ya: Do you not realize that I don't give a fukk what you think about me?

I didnt ask about being banned from a book, that in itself is an easy task. My question was related to charrgebacks.


Then why the stiff job? You clearly made bets, lost, why stiff? If you had won would you have expected to be paid?

Its obvious you dont give a fukk, I just have been around long enough that stiffs bring out my best. Especially those that talk a big game and stiff a small figure. Its honestly funny the correllation between the two. At this point I'm more curious about others you stiffed along the way all the while talking the solid game.

[TxAaron]

I didnt ask about being banned from a book, that in itself is an easy task. My question was related to charrgebacks.


Then why the stiff job? You clearly made bets, lost, why stiff? If you had won would you have expected to be paid?

Its obvious you dont give a fukk, I just have been around long enough that stiffs bring out my best. Especially those that talk a big game and stiff a small figure. Its honestly funny the correllation between the two. At this point I'm more curious about others you stiffed along the way all the while talking the solid game.

I've never charged back on a sportsbook deposit. Headed to the bar. Good luck in your hunt to find the victimized.

[USCPHILLYGUY]

why is it that when guys dont pay back loans and you confront them on it THEY are the victim and point it out at EVERY OPPORTUNITY

[bobbywaves]

I spent months defending Bobbywaves fronm all the bullshit that goes on with him until I just had enough

I sincerely appreciate all the time you put in too, you definitely tried.

I know it's very frustrating when our solid defense falls on deaf/ignorant ears. I almost had enough of all the BS myself at times, but other times I still receive some entertainment value.

Fortunately, I'm capable of defending myself moving forward.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Didn't think TX could look more pathetic than he already does...... I was wrong

Gloating about bets to impress guys he's never met. TX needs a hug.

Que the "I have a hot GF reply in 3...2...1

haha, spot on!

Don't give yourself so much credit kid. I honestly could care less to impress you or anyone here. I think it's funny that ya'll get so excited about anything I say.

It's honestly pretty fukkin pathetic that you take as much time as you do to follow me around from thread to thread and try to call me out on bull$shit, but I always prove you wrong.

"me: claim I bet xxx, you: fake unless screenshot
me: post screenshot, you: you're a showoff"

Lol you're just a fukkin troll. This is my last response to you, fukk off loser.

Putting in a lot of effort to let us know you don't care...but no amount of effort changes the facts: you went back on your word and stiffed. Based on what you claim to be betting, it's not because you can't repay, it's because you made the conscious decision to be a scammer....and you somehow think it's better to have money and not repay a trivial amount of points??

[greenhippo]

Borednaz DID NOT make good as chipup... he's still a thief.
All talk... never paid his debts.

He was only allowed back b/c of an admitted SBR fukk up. Shari said if she was around at the time, chipup never would've seen the light of day in his new incarnation. I believe her 100%.

Sure, convict... there's no doubt former thieves ghosting under new names here... BUT, it's not as easy to do as you imply.

Isn't he the sack of fat, retarded shit who was blaming his stiffing of points on bad health? Or was it his family? I remember it was something beyond embarrassing. Does he even still post here?

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

Yeah, hippo... chippernaz blamed his 1st round of stiffing on his father/grandfather's health... then graduated to various other excuses (his kid is autistic, his health blah blah) when he was lying/stiffing once again with his new handle; Lied to me and others numerous times... stiffed Tripper... etc. Then made a thread blaming all his problems on ME when Peavs outed him in a thread ( he thought I told Peavs cuz I confronted him in PM about him being borednaz months earlier... Peavs deduced it on his own). Never accepted responsibility for his own actions, always somebody else's fault.

Lied, lied and then lied some more. Blamed it on SBR not wanting him to say anything yadda yadda bullshit..... Briefly returned announcing he was gonna make good on his debt. Tatddy rightly told him to stop grandstanding and just pay what you owes. Got mad @ Tat... made a few payments then disappeared to Stiffsville again. Doesn't post currently as either borednaz or chipup but with his proclivity to stiff on various handles and SBR's proclivity to keep allowing him back to do so, who really knows?... might be back w/ new handle.

Of course, I was hospitalized for a lot of August, Sept and October last year and somehow managed to pay off a bet with DS during that time, SO.... hard to buy into chippernaz's bullshit health stories.

A stiff is a stiff is a stiff... stiffs are always gonna conjure up a variety of excuses for their doucheyness (grandpa was sick, he said mean things to me and slandered my internet name! *cough cough* TxStiffy... etc. bullshit). Stiffs have no moral character... it's how they live their life everywhere, not just SBR... 100% life losers in things that really count and matter on this mortal coil (true to your word, probity, trustworthiness. etc.)

[TheMoneyShot]

Bite... SBR doesn't get involved in point loans because they aren't the ones loaning the points.

The only realistic example would be...

SBR = Bank

Screen Name = Account Holder At Bank

OR

Screen Name = Paycheck (Everyone works the the same company)

It would be like you having a drink with your buddy at a bar and he tells you hey Bite I'm low on cash could you loan me a $10.00? Because you're a nice guy you loan him a $10.00 and weeks go by and you never see that $10.00 again. Would you go to the same bank where your buddy bank's at and say... hey my friend banks here... he owes me money... could you take it out of his acct and give it to me? The teller would say... um no. That's your fault for loaning him the money... not ours. And you explain to the teller... but we both bank here! Why not?!?!?

Or... you both work for the same employer.... and you go to the acct dept. and say hey my buddy owes me $10.00 can you give me the cash and take it out of his check? They would look at you.... and say..... WHAT?!?!?

The same applies with SBR. Why is it their fault? You can't blame them.